So I ask the question now

[Tigers_eye]

T20 fan boys.....

This style of play (Going after all balls or all balls are 4 or 6 balls if the correct shot is played) has done BD test team any good?

If the senior player Shakib says that he doesn't remember when someone got him out in a really good ball, if Riyad, Tamim, SS, Mushfiq, Shabbir all go chase after the balls that they have no business chasing isn't that a direct inverse T20 effect?

I'd like to know your thoughts.

[Tigers_eye]

This BPL will make the next generation even worse in chasing after the balls.

BCB needs to increase the 4 day games. Pour money in to it just have to players who understand longer format of the game better than the current "Jodi laigga jai" players. That is what we are producing for the last 10 years.

[NoName]

We go after every ball in a test match, but come a t20 we start a block-a-thon

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by NoName
We go after every ball in a test match, but come a t20 we start a block-a-thon

This is a sig worthy quote.

[al Furqaan]

Wide balls are there to be hit. Its a risk, but eventually you have to take it. It requires skill to.keep.the ball down and or find the gap.

You cant keep ducking the short ball...eventually you have to find a way to score with short leg, leg slip, deep midwicket, and deep backward sq leg in place. 2 solid boundaries and they will abort the tactic. Maybe even 1.

All other teams play more t20 than us. And more ODI and first class.

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
Wide balls are there to be hit. Its a risk, but eventually you have to take it. It requires skill to.keep.the ball down and or find the gap.

You cant keep ducking the short ball...eventually you have to find a way to score with short leg, leg slip, deep midwicket, and deep backward sq leg in place. 2 solid boundaries and they will abort the tactic. Maybe even 1.

All other teams play more t20 than us. And more ODI and first class.

What's the rush? Do they have tickets for the 1 O'clock show or something?

Why do you need to take the risk when there is a 5 man net and you just walked in and the ball is harmlessly going to the 1st slip? (Shakib, SS). If you have mastered it and taken the risk (putting it along the ground or above the slip cordon) OUT OF THE EQUATION go for it then. But if you have no control in hitting them, then why go for it? The wicket means nothing to you? AND YOU PROCLAIM you play for the TEAM?

[SportingBD]

Lol. That SL team won 2-1 against South Africa... was the least inexperienced...

They won because they have better cricket intelligence and faster maturity rate...

We are really behind on this... half of their talent (Shakib, Tamim, Mushy) gets cut down because of low intelligence...

[Tigers_eye]

Also Wahid bhaia,
I don't give a rat's behind on what other teams are doing. Their 1st class structure are good enough to UNEARTH players like Latham, Pujara etc.

[SportingBD]

Maybe in the future when our players understand cricket situation better, we may become good overseas.

at the moment, I don't think none of our players have a clue how to play under pressure...

if they do.. its most likely hitting their way out... that's not talent or class... just chancing luck.

[mufi_02]

There is nothing wrong going after the bad balls. In fact, that way at least we have the scorecard ticking. The reason Pakistan failed to score big in NZ and then Aus is because of their snail paced innings. They probably played more overs but we have scored more runs. So I don't particularly mind the higher rate of scoring.

Cricket has moved on. It is not era of Gavaskar anymore. Successful test players such as Warner/Smith plays in the attacking mode as well. If we played tuk tuk in the overcast 1st test 1st innings, we would not have scored that many runs.

Shob kichu tei khut bair kora ekta obbhash hoiya gese amader.

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by mufi_02
There is nothing wrong going after the bad balls. ...

There is EVERYTHING wrong going after the bad balls from the word "go". The problem is you guys don't realize that those are not bad balls. Those are trap balls. It was intentionally put in there so that you have a swing. Ar ki bhababe bhujhabo?

[mufi_02]

Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
There is EVERYTHING wrong going after the bad balls from the word "go". The problem is you guys don't realize that those are not bad balls. Those are trap balls. It was intentionally put in there so that you have a swing. Ar ki bhababe bhujhabo?

there is a big difference between the trap balls and bad ball. A trap ball would be suddenly bowl a full delivery after couple of bouncers. Or one slightly away from the body. A bad ball is one around the pads and half volleys. Look no further than Rubel for the second kind.

not comparing warner/smith with ours. just the way of style. bhaijaan, you are stuck in zaheer abbas era. Test matches are high scoring these days and if you can curb your enthusiasm and khochakhochi, then nothing wrong being a little more attacking.

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by mufi_02
there is a big difference between the trap balls and bad ball. A trap ball would be suddenly bowl a full delivery after couple of bouncers. Or one slightly away from the body. A bad ball is one around the pads and half volleys. Look no further than Rubel for the second kind...

Catch practice at the Gully or point or 3rd slip is a trap ball. A fifth wicket line is a trap ball. Look at the last innings. SS got out chasing that ball. Shakib first ball without even looking at the pitch, without even giving any time in the middle (he just walked in) he fires one for 4. The very next ball (or the 3rd ball) he gets a live. Raval drops him. Sitter. Damn care. Three balls later he gets out at Gully. If these are not trap balls and considered as bad balls (to be hit) then I agree to disagree.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
There is EVERYTHING wrong going after the bad balls from the word "go". The problem is you guys don't realize that those are not bad balls. Those are trap balls. It was intentionally put in there so that you have a swing. Ar ki bhababe bhujhabo?

Playing according to merit means treating every ball independent of the situation. Overall batsmanship is how you weave that merit based play into a composite innings. Individually bad balls have to be put away, but overall, yes you dont have to punish every single bad ball.

Football analogy: late 4th quarter, you have a 24-20 lead with the ball on your own 30 yard line. Its now 3 and 5. You have a receiver open right at the marker for first down (safest option). You also have one WIDE OPEN 30 yards downfield. Its not a crime to go for the 30 yarder unless you get picked off. Yes Shakib "threw a pick 6" in that situation but had it come off we'd all applaud.

Shakib has buil his entire career with shoddy battin technique and plenty of edges and mishits. Still averages 40. Ugly but effective.

The real criticism should be on the shot he played in the firs test.

2nd test, if you want to criticize his slap cut behind point, you'd be criticising 75% of his caree scoring shots.

You mentioned Latham, at least 2 of his dismissals were very soft, just like Shakib. Tried cutting Taskin with bottom edge to WK and inside edged Miraz onto the stumps.

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
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Football analogy: late 4th quarter, you have a 24-20 lead with the ball on your own 30 yard line. Its now 3 and 5. You have a receiver open right at the marker for first down (safest option). You also have one WIDE OPEN 30 yards downfield. Its not a crime to go for the 30 yarder unless you get picked off. Yes Shakib "threw a pick 6" in that situation but had it come off we'd all applaud. ...

After the 3rd pick 6 Shiakib would be moved to DB or Wide receiver. Because he is not learning from his mistake. The coach will give him a earful to throw the ball away. Unless you have Jerry Jones type owner. There is no room for Romo'isk play. That is why he has only 1 playoff win (Jodi ligga jai). No one will get him as a starter money if he is released. NO ONE!!! Ending games with pick 6.

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
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Shakib has buil his entire career with shoddy battin technique and plenty of edges and mishits. Still averages 40. Ugly but effective.

The real criticism should be on the shot he played in the firs test.

2nd test, if you want to criticize his slap cut behind point, you'd be criticising 75% of his caree scoring shots...

So you totally ignore the game situation and play your natural game (as some would say, khek)?

Shot clock off 18 seconds left for the game, you are leading by 1 and you have the ball you are Steph Curry. You dribble down the court and take a 3? Just because you are the best 3 point shooter in the history of the game? HE WOULD NEVER do that. If allowed he would dribble and dribble and run out the clock.

That is why with few points lead offense takes a knee and eliminates the risk of turning it over and not throw the ball or run the ball.

"Risk management" is part of the game/strategy/life. That is what I taught for 9 years bro. Playing his shots and not reducing the risk is selfish and NOT for the team.

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by mufi_02
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Cricket has moved on. It is not era of Gavaskar anymore. Successful test players such as Warner/Smith plays in the attacking mode as well. If we played tuk tuk in the overcast 1st test 1st innings, we would not have scored that many runs.

Shob kichu tei khut bair kora ekta obbhash hoiya gese amader.

Moha mushkil. Test Cricket is 15 sessions long. Not 1 session. No one care if a team scores 140/5 in first session. Actually the opposition are smiling to that.

Warner/Smith have mastered those shot. They control those shots. And they leave their fair share as well. Comparing them with our bunch is a farce. They have played enough of the league as well where they have mastered those shot.

Gayle scored 2 triple hundreds in test cricket. However, he knows the difference on how to play the longer version and limited overs game. Us, we play in one mode only not understanding the format.

Era of Gavaskar is gone. Yes. A new era of "no brain" cricket has arrived only in our country.

[Roy_1]

Originally Posted by mufi_02
There is nothing wrong going after the bad balls. In fact, that way at least we have the scorecard ticking. The reason Pakistan failed to score big in NZ and then Aus is because of their snail paced innings. They probably played more overs but we have scored more runs. So I don't particularly mind the higher rate of scoring.

Cricket has moved on. It is not era of Gavaskar anymore. Successful test players such as Warner/Smith plays in the attacking mode as well. If we played tuk tuk in the overcast 1st test 1st innings, we would not have scored that many runs.

Shob kichu tei khut bair kora ekta obbhash hoiya gese amader.

Fine post, couldn't have put it better myself

[Mas_UK25]

Cricket has moved on, I hope the purest here move on too. 'That's just the way it is, thing's will never be the same' - as tupac sung,in a song.

So, Please. Allow it. Cricket has evolved, but we Bengalis from BDESH, our mentality hasn't changed as cricketing, sporting nation, lack of planing, vision, ideas. Despite great youth potential, man power. We lagging behind big time!

[Zeeshan]

lmao @ zaheer abbas era... Mupi to bhaloi TE'r eij ber kore dil'o

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by Zeeshan
lmao @ zaheer abbas era... Mupi to bhaloi TE'r eij ber kore dil'o

"Yes, there were times, I'm sure you knew; when I bit off more than I could chew
But through it all, when there was doubt; I ate it up and spit it out
I faced it all, and I stood tall; And did it myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy waaaaaay!"

[Jadukor]

Okay i understand modern day cricket is far more attacking but how about batting for time? When we know we have sessions to survive to draw the test in the second innings. How about when opposition has purposely set an off side field and adopted a full offside length to encourage you to play shots and make a mistake? I remember Australia did this to Tendulkar in Australia under Ganguly... fed him balls outside off whole day and got him out caught behind twice. Next test he completely shelved those cut shot and only played balls on his body and legside and scored a double. Reading opposition strategy and countering them is the hallmark of a good player.

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
Okay i understand modern day cricket is far more attacking but how about batting for time? When we know we have sessions to survive to draw the test in the second innings. How about when opposition has purposely set an off side field and adopted a full offside length to encourage you to play shots and make a mistake? I remember Australia did this to Tendulkar in Australia under Ganguly... fed him balls outside off whole day and got him out caught behind twice. Next test he completely shelved those cut shot and only played balls on his body and legside and scored a double. Reading opposition strategy and countering them is the hallmark of a good player.

Keep preaching. That is what we need here and in the locker room.

[NoName]

^
Its because our batsmen are waaaaay too trigger happy, they can't cut back the urge to go for that shot especially when bowlers tempt them by bowling the same delivery over and over. It was refreshing seeing Nazmul's approach because he didn't seem to want to go for any shots, but ofc he got tempted once in a while.

[Kingslayer]

It's a skill to punish bad balls and block good ones. Many good test players play a lot of t20 and it hasn't affected them. Our players lack that skill and getting rid of t20 leagues is gona do nothing. Like people say "nachte na janle uthan baka"