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January 25, 2010, 06:18 AM
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Are We Really An Improved Team?
Now that the National team have been populated by the "Next Generation" cricketers, We were led to believe that this is the team that will actually start to win some games against the top teams. Since the beginning of the year we haven't won a single games plus in this test match it looks like we are going to lose by an inning. How is this any different than before?
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January 25, 2010, 06:36 AM
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Almost similar as before, its a false sense of improvement. Check the score cards the series before against india, they are identical.
In 2000, the very first test, we ran India close.
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January 25, 2010, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by BangladeshFan
Almost similar as before, its a false sense of improvement. Check the score cards the series before against India, they are identical.
In 2000, the very first test, we ran India close.
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That's exactly what I picked up. Even the previous team has once in a blue moon success against top team coupled with few good innings in test but we were never able to continue the momentum. In the end this is the same team with same result but just different faces.
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January 25, 2010, 07:22 AM
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well score might look same but then again this generation has provided us with more centuries and more 5 wicket hauls then the previous one's (if even any). And it's not only our team who is build up with new faces; every single team has been loaded with new generation of players but unfortunetly our cricket structure in the country is very poor which means the other teams are able to provide better players then ours. It is not that we have not improved, it is more like the opposition has provided with better new players then ours who which lacks more technic then the opposition players but they have better technic then our previous players; that's the reason we always seem to feel like we have no improvement. So to sum it up yes our new generation of players are better then the previous ones but the opposition's new generation players are also better then most of their old players and that is why there is a feel that we never go a step farther then we want to!!
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January 25, 2010, 07:27 AM
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the rise of sakib al hasan and the two shonar manik batsman riyad and naeem made us that the team is improving. Everyone got the scanning picture. The real picture tells you that without them it's the same type of 2002-2004 bd team.
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January 25, 2010, 07:40 AM
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January 25, 2010, 07:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by amar11432
Now that the National team have been populated by the "Next Generation" cricketers, We were led to believe that this is the team that will actually start to win some games against the top teams. Since the beginning of the year we haven't won a single games plus in this test match it looks like we are going to lose by an inning. How is this any different than before?
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Definitely we have improved. It's true we are losing but we managed to push India in the first Test and fighting hard in the second Test after top order mass sucicide.
Have a look at the following scorecard from 2007 series and you should be able to see the difference -
http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/282692.html
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January 25, 2010, 07:45 AM
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J.omar belim got GOLDEN DUCK in both innings in tht test match...and not to mention, Imrul Kayes is also on the verge of making GOLDEN DUCK in both innings like Mr. J.omar belim GOLLA ! so where exactly we improved ???
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January 25, 2010, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Miraz
Definitely we have improved. It's true we are losing but we managed to push India in the first Test and fighting hard in the second Test after top order mass sucicide.
Have a look at the following scorecard from 2007 series and you should be able to see the difference -
http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/282692.html
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The end result.....lost by an innings and some runs, which will be the case this time too in the 2nd Idea cup test.
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January 25, 2010, 07:39 AM
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also i forgot to mention about the consistent oneday 30 scorish emergence of rokibul hasan
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January 25, 2010, 07:43 AM
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I would say the team is improving, many would say that our good performances were the mist and today's performance was the true picture. I beg to differ, I say 2nd test's performance was the mist. We have been playing decent cricket for a while now, and anyone who is doubting the improvement should look back at the past couple of years.
The problem that we still have is consistency, yet again we fail to put our mark in the 2nd consecutive test.
The problem we will always face is, regardless of how much we improve, we have to improve at a much greater rate than the big boys in order to compete with them. But I am sure with the current bunch + 2 more dependable batsmen we can be a really good team.
Keep faith in the team.
PS: our bowling at this moment is better than ever before. I have never seen our pacers bowl with so much fire. Now the task is to make a 4 good ball over into a 6 good ball over.
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January 25, 2010, 08:06 AM
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there is definitely improvement, especially in bowling. the bowling is test-class now, never mind what sehwag says.
let me make a prediction here : BD-NZ series will be the closest fought series yet, BD bowling will perform superbly but will lose series to NZ due to batting failure.
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January 25, 2010, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Neel Here
there is definitely improvement, especially in bowling. the bowling is test-class now, never mind what sehwag says.
let me make a prediction here : BD-NZ series will be the closest fought series yet, BD bowling will perform superbly but will lose series to NZ due to batting failure.
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Exactly, as before we will put up a great fight against a lower tier top team but then end up losing. This is business as usual. Where is that extra impetus to actually win?
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January 25, 2010, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by amar11432
Exactly, as before we will put up a great fight against a lower tier top team but then end up losing. This is business as usual. Where is that extra impetus to actually win?
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bro, the peak has not been crossed yet but the movement is consistently upwards.
let's keep things in context shall we ? this is currently no1 ranked team in the world, they absolutely trounced SL recently in similar conditions. and the batting line-up is filled with some of the greats to have ever played the game.
make no mistake about it, the Indian batting was seriously troubled by the bowlers today and although they don't have the results to show for it, against any other batting line-up in the world they would have got 10 wkts for less than 400 today.
if the bowlers can bowl like this in more conducive conditions, they will give even aus or SA a run for their money, not to mention NZ or Eng.
the weaknesses are :
a) batting
b) comparative bowling inexperience. I mean shahadat is the senior bowler ?
c) captaincy needs to improve. shak needs to be more aggressive and proactive.
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January 25, 2010, 02:05 PM
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bro, the peak has not been crossed yet but the movement is consistently upwards.
let's keep things in context shall we ? this is currently no1 ranked team in the world, they absolutely trounced SL recently in similar conditions. and the batting line-up is filled with some of the greats to have ever played the game.
make no mistake about it, the Indian batting was seriously troubled by the bowlers today and although they don't have the results to show for it, against any other batting line-up in the world they would have got 10 wkts for less than 400 today.
if the bowlers can bowl like this in more conducive conditions, they will give even aus or SA a run for their money, not to mention NZ or Eng.
the weaknesses are :
a) batting
b) comparative bowling inexperience. I mean shahadat is the senior bowler ?
c) captaincy needs to improve. shak needs to be more aggressive and proactive.
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Ditto... The bowling was superb. As I said before, had Rubel, Shahadat, Shafiul bowled the say way to Bangladesh team,, the batting team wouldve folded in less than 100 runs. The trio were bowling their hearts out. I cannot recall when we had such accurate bowling by pacers from BD team. Tendulkar/Dravid made them look like they were not that difficult ( barring the bouncers) but the way Rubel was doing some reverse swings, the variations of Shafiul and the consistent line of Shahadat would definitely make Champaka feel like aa Lead bowling coach in the international coach community. It was just outright classy and spectacular.
For batting, there are few positions that are to worry, the number 2, 3 are the worrying part. Raqibul will eventually find his form back and I am not worried about a lad who has one of the best FC averages in the country.
For improvements, yes we did improve but not as others have.. Our U.19 performance can say the story of our improvement.. we are good but not that good when it matters.. India/Pakistan/Australia are still ahead in terms of producing talents and results..
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January 27, 2010, 12:58 AM
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let me make a prediction here : BD-NZ series will be the closest fought series yet, BD bowling will perform superbly but will lose series to NZ due to batting failure.
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It is very much predictable as the NZ conditions are more suited for bowlers than batsman.
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January 25, 2010, 08:31 AM
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As a team we didn't improve that much but some individuals are showing good class.
Sakib bttng/bwling so well,Shahadat too.
Ryad(odi & test) & Mushy(in test) are outstanding.
TI unlucky to have partners such as IK,SN,JS but still contributes well engh.
I think it's the expectation which is pressurizing the top & middle order btsmn.
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January 25, 2010, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by simon
As a team we didn't improve that much but some individuals are showing good class.
Sakib bttng/bwling so well,Shahadat too.
Ryad(odi & test) & Mushy(in test) are outstanding.
TI unlucky to have partners such as IK,SN,JS but still contributes well engh.
I think it's the expectation which is pressurizing the top & middle order btsmn.
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True,I think its a shame we cant find a competitive 2nd and 3rd Batsman. IK,SN,JS are maybe good in Domestics but are a lost cause in the international arena.
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January 25, 2010, 08:44 AM
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True,I think its a shame we cant find a competitive 2nd and 3rd Batsman. IK,SN,JS are maybe good in Domestics but are a lost cause in the international arena.
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go and check the domestic records. there are a number of players with far better domestic record than these 3 who haven't got a chance.
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January 25, 2010, 12:43 PM
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Day 3 of the 2nd test would tell us a lot about our improvements, if any.
Remains to be seen whether our talented batsmen fold themselves up for 200 runs to hand the indians yet another innings victory, or can they make them bat again??
If they can, i'd say we have improved.
Otherwise, its just notun botole puran mod.
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January 25, 2010, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabz
Day 3 of the 2nd test would tell us a lot about our improvements, if any.
Remains to be seen whether our talented batsmen fold themselves up for 200 runs to hand the indians yet another innings victory, or can they make them bat again??
If they can, i'd say we have improved.
Otherwise, its just notun botole puran mod.
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thats a nice challenge for our team
i liked ur suggestion
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January 25, 2010, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabz
Day 3 of the 2nd test would tell us a lot about our improvements, if any.
Remains to be seen whether our talented batsmen fold themselves up for 200 runs to hand the indians yet another innings victory, or can they make them bat again??
If they can, i'd say we have improved.
Otherwise, its just notun botole puran mod.
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In a similar situation [ actually much worse situation ] 3 years ago, Ashraful decided to score 63 off 30-odd balls and everyone extolled his virtues. Breaking world records and what not ! Nobody thought for a moment that his job was not to break world records but to bat as long as possible.
If he bats again like a moron, he should be dropped from the New Zealand tour !
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January 25, 2010, 12:53 PM
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Certainly, catching-wise NO. How many times has Tendulkar been dropped in this series ? I am losing count. And how many did he score each time ?
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January 25, 2010, 12:56 PM
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Improved but not improved enough to win ODIs and tests against big boys.
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January 25, 2010, 01:45 PM
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Improved but not improved enough to win ODIs and tests against big boys.
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ummm....then whats the point? Do you think the top teams will remain static in their cricket development and just wait for us to catch up?
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