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January 29, 2013, 11:08 PM
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Everything the coach said is true. The last good Under 19 coach we had was Alaistair De Winter. And that was 5-6 years ago. Since then we ve been toying around with our Under 19 setup (Which is surprising considering its our biggest source of talent) Talk about progress! But i am not sure whether BCB will find the way he expressed all this to be professional or acceptable. We cannot afford to lose RM. Will be interesting to see how our current president reacts to this.
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January 29, 2013, 11:20 PM
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RM knows how things work in BD, if he's speaking up, it means he's fed up. I don't expect him to stick around much longer.
Is it possible for the war crimes tribunal to indict the past and present BCB leadership? We should start with that king of swine, Lotus Kamal.
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January 30, 2013, 02:31 AM
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I hate BCB. I just hate how they can't accomplish anything.
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January 30, 2013, 02:55 AM
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Dear Observer,
Have patience. We ride with you. Look forward to you as our messiah.
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January 30, 2013, 03:45 AM
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All foreign coach's might end up not coming to Bangladesh anymore.
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January 30, 2013, 05:36 AM
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Just came to know that, this is just the surface!
I guess, BCB will only respond to his statements only after the BPL. But wait, there will be the payment issue to deal with post BPL!
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January 30, 2013, 08:00 AM
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BCB clearly can't multi-task. If there's an event on, the whole of the BCB is just focused on just that single event: ODI WC 2011, T20 WC 2012, tours, BPL, etc. What's even more galling is that even though they only focus on one thing at a time, they can't even get that one event right. The level of incompetence in Bangladesh is mind-boggling.
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January 30, 2013, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by kalpurush
If we are going to lose Richard, Bangladesh cricket would be in deep trouble.
Hope BCB president Mr. Hasan will do something ASAP before it is too late.
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What's Mr. Hasan's incentive? Status quo is great for BCB...
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January 30, 2013, 09:10 AM
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jotoi hok, bhaat niya khota deya ta thik hoy nai ,
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thik achhe, ek bela kore khak!
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January 30, 2013, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by betaar
McInnnes is about to lose his job.....is he crazy? Why speak the truth while taking a job in BD. These Westerners will never learn. Just keep your mouth shut and do your job...which is doing nothing.
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This is Bangladesh.
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Originally Posted by kalpurush
If we are going to lose Richard, Bangladesh cricket would be in deep trouble.
Hope BCB president Mr. Hasan will do something ASAP before it is too late.
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This will be great lost for Bangladesh
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Originally Posted by Ajfar
BCB doesn't know how to multi task, what else is new. When is the damn election happening? We really need Saber Hossain to come back.
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Things need to change for good.
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January 30, 2013, 09:26 AM
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Two key ideas:
Fast bowling camp/preparation before every series to adjust to the intensity and duration of Test Cricket
Appoint a new experienced U-19 coach.(I would suggest Aminul Islam Bulbul)
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January 30, 2013, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tiger_army
He didnt mention about the entire team, he mentioned our fast bowlers will struggle in the tour which is valid. I havent seen any of our fast bowlers are doing great in BPL. BPL is just 4 overs game but in SL they have to bowl 10-15 overs per day. I dont think our fast bowlers are prepared for that. I watched the recent Aus- SL T20 from the ground and i saw them practicing before the game. These SL young players are physically fitter then the Australian team. Their catching, throwing, ground fielding were top quality. Kulasekara was bowling 125-130 kmph but he killed the aussie batsman with his swing. Their young batsmen werent scared to go against the aussie bowlers. I dont think BPL is enough to prepare for this tough tour.
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Our fast bowling is a huge liability for us. you need quality fast bowling to take 10 wickets, which rarely happens for us. Spin alone will not always bail us out particularly on hard, flat hit me surfaces. Time to groom guys like Abu Jayed, Taskin, Abul Hasan for the longer formats as none of our other pacers have really delivered, Nazmul keeps getting ignored.
What we can do with Nazmul is that play him in tests, but give him shorter bowling spells to reduce the risk of injury.
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January 30, 2013, 09:37 AM
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I kind of disagree with this bowling breakdown because 1st day in test our fast bowlers probably won't have to bowl no more than 20 overs (120 balls) and 2nd day most likely going to rest possibly 3rd as well then come back to bowl another 20 overs in the last few days so I don't understand how they will easily break down especially when we can rotate our fast bowlers.
In the 1st test against Sri Lanka, probably be using 2 fast bowlers but if i.e. Rubel and Mashrafe are used in the 1st test then 2nd test rotate one of them drop Mashrafe and bring in Abul then when the ODI starts give i.e. Rubel a rest day and bring in Shafiul etc etc. The best way to go about it at the moment so there are less risks with our pace bowlers.
Nazmul Hossain should only be used for ODIs because of his injuries and lack of pace where in Test Cricket, will be difficult for him to get wickets bowling around 70-77 mph. Rubel has the pace but is not consistent enough in hitting the seam and bowls too wide and short which won't help. In swinging conditions, then obviously Shafiul Islam must be picked and used but he needs to gain a bit of muscle which will make a bit of difference. Ideally I would like to see Mashrafe coming back to the test side but he may have to bowl short spells of 5 overs, maximum of 20 per innings which can be manageable.
If Bangladesh want to be come a top Cricket team, the answer is simple mix your Cricket pitches, make some grounds especially training grounds very fast and bouncy, take your first class structure seriously, play abroad especially 4 day and A games, focus on setting up proper fast bowling programs and so on then we wouldn't struggle especially Test Cricket as much.
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January 30, 2013, 09:44 AM
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Richard McInnes Manager / Head coach, National Cricket Academy Former BD U19 Coach
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Wow, some quotes have got people excited and interested in what is going on. Lets not jump up and down too much. What i did say in the interview, which underpinned the rest of it was that the issues and solutions, importantly the solutions to making BD a strong cricket nation, are systemic and wont be fixed with small changes in focus, or staff here and there.
A range of good coaches and staff have been here in the past yet the results, while improving slightly from time to time, dont show significant signs of consistent improvement. I am passionate about cricket in Bangladesh and do believe that with lots of effort and some smart leadership, they have sufficient strengths (population, love of the game, public support, talent) to be one of the stronger nations in the world. But for that to occur it requires some strong leadership and honesty from people who are in the system to make a change. The easy option for me is to sit quietly, take my salary and just put up with things, spend two years here and the place will be the same as it was when i arrived and maybe was in 2003. I want to have an impact here and make a difference to cricket here and by being honest and up front, i hope to do this.
It should also be made very clear, that everything i have discussed here as been raised with senior management and various directors at the BCB, so there is nothing new in these comments.
Lets hope that we can make some improvements and see a strong BD team emerge in a few years time.
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January 30, 2013, 10:10 AM
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Thank you coach. Just one question.
Why say no to Dal and Baath? (Rice and Lentils)
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January 30, 2013, 10:27 AM
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Richard McInnes Manager / Head coach, National Cricket Academy Former BD U19 Coach
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MohammedC
Thank you coach. Just one question.
Why say no to Dal and Baath? (Rice and Lentils)
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haha, basically, training athletes need more protein, as they are constantly damaging and rebuilding muscle fibres. The muscle fibres require protein to regenerate and become stronger, without it they dont improve and dont recover as well, hence training intensity, quality and volume is reduced. Likewise with performance in matches, particularly Test matches, where you may be in the field for a day and half.
Lentils are 9% protein and rice contains 2% protein, where as a piece of chicken contains 31% protein. Obviously it costs more, yes, but if you are investing in players, coaches and gym equipment then you need to invest in the fuel. Hence my analogy about owning a ferrari or BMW and trying to put water in the tank, because its less expensive than petrol.
I sense you probably knew that, but i am sure someone will find that interesting.
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January 30, 2013, 10:33 AM
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Coach, looks like not everyone is quite ready to move out of that comfort zone:
Sigh, it'll be a challenge. Knowing our players, they probably feel the same way.
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January 30, 2013, 10:40 AM
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Even after so much rice and daal, Shafiul and Rubel is like a stick. I wonder what Tamim/Aftab eats then.
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January 30, 2013, 10:46 AM
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Richard McInnes Manager / Head coach, National Cricket Academy Former BD U19 Coach
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A balanced diet is essential containing all food groups and sufficient protein for muscle regeneration.
There is nothing wrong with rice, it is the staple diet of many nations and even in Australia my family eat it several times per week. My daughter practically lives on it, but she is not trying to be an elite athlete, competing against other elite athletes.
I am quite happy for our players to have rice every day, as long as there are eggs for breakfast and some meat based protein at lunch and dinner, to go with the rice.
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January 30, 2013, 10:55 AM
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Coach do we have nutrition specialist for academy?
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January 30, 2013, 11:06 AM
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It really boggles the mind to hear that our players don't get enough meat and eggs (?!) Forget National Team players, I would think the players in the A Team, Academy Team, even the DPL Teams (dunno about NCL...) would get paid enough to afford rice-lentils-veg-chicken/rice-lentils-veg-fish on a regular basis? I live in Dhaka and while the price of basic food stuffs has certainly increased over the past few years, the sums that these above mentioned players get paid (or at least what we read about in the newspapers) seems to be sufficient to ensure a comfortable living!
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January 30, 2013, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Navo
It really boggles the mind to hear that our players don't get enough meat and eggs (?!) Forget National Team players, I would think the players in the A Team, Academy Team, even the DPL Teams (dunno about NCL...) would get paid enough to afford rice-lentils-veg-chicken/rice-lentils-veg-fish on a regular basis? I live in Dhaka and while the price of basic food stuffs has certainly increased over the past few years, the sums that these above mentioned players get paid (or at least what we read about in the newspapers) seems to be sufficient to ensure a comfortable living!
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Lol thats what I was thinking, I thought the coach was just generalizing our meal and I assumed they had some meat and fish somewhere in there, but it seems like he literally just means rice and dal is all they eat (what kind of meal is that, barely any taste or is it filling!)
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January 30, 2013, 11:43 AM
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Well done Richie! Thankfully BCB is too spineless to act on such words, so at least he won't get sacked.
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January 30, 2013, 12:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NoName
Lol thats what I was thinking, I thought the coach was just generalizing our meal and I assumed they had some meat and fish somewhere in there, but it seems like he literally just means rice and dal is all they eat (what kind of meal is that, barely any taste or is it filling!)
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Seriously! The BD fast bowlers playing in the BPL are admittedly among the poorest paid players, but even they make AT LEAST USD 10k for the season. That's around 8 lakh taka for a month of cricket! I understand that they have familial expenses and need to think about their post-cricketing future but in combination with their match fees, etc. from DPL, BCL, NCL, A Team etc etc it really shouldn't be that bad...
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January 30, 2013, 12:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
I kind of disagree with this bowling breakdown because 1st day in test our fast bowlers probably won't have to bowl no more than 20 overs (120 balls) and 2nd day most likely going to rest possibly 3rd as well then come back to bowl another 20 overs in the last few days so I don't understand how they will easily break down especially when we can rotate our fast bowlers.
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why would the pacers rest in Day 2 and 3? We can never bundle out any opposition within Day 1. Jodi bowing i na kore tahole pacer niye labh ki. Dressing room e boshe boshe dal bhat khawar jonno.
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