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200* vs 194
in Sachin's corner:
- reproducibility - has hit 186* and 175 before, and against G8 sides
- chancelessness - was never dropped, although he didn't play all along the ground. thats genius. a run out chance and stumping are all part of the game and i don't count them as positive chances for a batter, but as negative chances for the fielding side.
- opposition - steyn may be ordinary in ODIs, but parnell is certainly solid, either way, SA are one of the top sides in the world.
- effort - no runner taken even though the legend cramped up
- misc - carried the bat too
in Anwar's corner: - era - his 194 was the only instance of anyone getting really close to 200 except for Richards on two, maybe one occaisions. by the time tendulkar hit 200, many players came close, and one (MS Dhoni) could certainly have reached the double first.
- powerplays - SRT carried the bat and batted for all 50 overs, meaning he had the benefit of 5 more overs of restricted fields. given that anwar failed to carry the bat, and was only 6 shy of the record, he likely could have gotten it with 30 additional balls of powerplays when well set.
- conditions - SRT's knock was on a small field with a quick outfield.
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February 24, 2010, 07:15 PM
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where is Coventry's corner?
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February 24, 2010, 07:18 PM
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There's no reason to compare. These two are legends, end of discussion.
I've always maintained that Anwar was one of the best batsmen we've seen, and perhaps will see. But then, Tendu is THE greatest.
Cricket already misses Anwar. It will miss Tendu when he retires. All I know is, there are two of the biggest scores against India. It's time that India got it too
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February 24, 2010, 07:21 PM
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where is Coventry's corner?
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February 24, 2010, 07:28 PM
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I don't think we should compare it. by comparing it in a way we are looking down on it. I'm glad someone broke Anwar's record and scored the first ODI double century. and I can't think of a single person that deserved it more than Tendu.
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Oh flames!
I watched Anwar's 194 live but not Sachin's 200*, so can't compare.
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U really can't compare. Powerplays and free hits nowadays....the game has changed a lot...Anwar's was one hell of a knock though...against India in India back in those days...sheer brilliance....and I remember him getting out in the 44th over too....had he stayed on heaven knows what would have happened....Hats off to Tendulkar though....No one deserves it more...
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February 24, 2010, 09:33 PM
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Comparison is like stats, in other words it's rajeshing.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by al Furqaan
in Sachin's corner:
- reproducibility - has hit 186* and 175 before, and against G8 sides
- chancelessness - was never dropped, although he didn't play all along the ground. thats genius. a run out chance and stumping are all part of the game and i don't count them as positive chances for a batter, but as negative chances for the fielding side.
- opposition - steyn may be ordinary in ODIs, but parnell is certainly solid, either way, SA are one of the top sides in the world.
- effort - no runner taken even though the legend cramped up
- misc - carried the bat too
in Anwar's corner: - era - his 194 was the only instance of anyone getting really close to 200 except for Richards on two, maybe one occaisions. by the time tendulkar hit 200, many players came close, and one (MS Dhoni) could certainly have reached the double first.
- powerplays - SRT carried the bat and batted for all 50 overs, meaning he had the benefit of 5 more overs of restricted fields. given that anwar failed to carry the bat, and was only 6 shy of the record, he likely could have gotten it with 30 additional balls of powerplays when well set.
- conditions - SRT's knock was on a small field with a quick outfield.
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what was saeed's age and what is sachins age
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No takers for Gavaskar's 36*?
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Tendulkar reached 195 at 45.3 overs. He added only 5 runs after that thanks to Dhoni taking the strike mostly.
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February 24, 2010, 11:45 PM
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185 > 200* + 194
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I've seen both matches live on TV and there is no way you can compare those two mammoth innings. Both are different and great knocks by great players.
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Without taking any of the greatness away from Tendy, I still rate Richards, Lara and Ponting as better batsmen amongst the ones I've seen. That said, this 200* is easily the classiest ODI innings I've been blessed to witness.
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Not much to choose between Anwar's 194* and Sachins 200.
I rate Kapils 175* better than both though.The team was 27 for 5 when he came on to bat .25 extra runs from Tendulkur would not make it better than the 175* for me .But yes had India won the match against SL where Tendulkar made 180 odd , I would have placed it at the best.
Coming to the best ever ! It has to be Sachin for me .Comparing Anwar with Sachin is like comparing Zaheer with Wasim.Good players are brilliant to exceptional in certain games or when in form but to maintain the consistency of Sachin is simply out of the world.
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A 200 would always be a 200.
There are great innings, but there aint a double century.
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Sachin did most of the running himself whereas Anwar got a runner. So Sacihn's innings is more genuine.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by al Furqaan
in Sachin's corner:
- reproducibility - has hit 186* and 175 before, and against G8 sides
- chancelessness - was never dropped, although he didn't play all along the ground. thats genius. a run out chance and stumping are all part of the game and i don't count them as positive chances for a batter, but as negative chances for the fielding side.
- opposition - steyn may be ordinary in ODIs, but parnell is certainly solid, either way, SA are one of the top sides in the world.
- effort - no runner taken even though the legend cramped up
- misc - carried the bat too
in Anwar's corner: - era - his 194 was the only instance of anyone getting really close to 200 except for Richards on two, maybe one occaisions. by the time tendulkar hit 200, many players came close, and one (MS Dhoni) could certainly have reached the double first.
- powerplays - SRT carried the bat and batted for all 50 overs, meaning he had the benefit of 5 more overs of restricted fields. given that anwar failed to carry the bat, and was only 6 shy of the record, he likely could have gotten it with 30 additional balls of powerplays when well set.
- conditions - SRT's knock was on a small field with a quick outfield.
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Sachin took 50 overs to score the 200, but he broke Coventary's/Anwar's record in a little more than 45.
One biggest hurdle in making a mammoth score like that is fitness. Anwar had outside help that considerably diluted his achievement. Sachin has always hated taking a runner because he likes to judge his own runs and does not like depend on others judgments or for his own runs. If I remember right, he took a runner only once in his career.
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Quote:
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One biggest hurdle in making a mammoth score like that is fitness. Anwar had outside help that considerably diluted his achievement. Sachin has always hated taking a runner because he likes to judge his own runs and does not like depend on others judgments or for his own runs. If I remember right, he took a runner only once in his career.
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Anwar faced a tougher environment in terms of crowd + heat&humidity
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Comparing Anwar with Sachin is like comparing Zaheer with Wasim.
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Weird analogy.
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Good players are brilliant to exceptional in certain games or when in form but to maintain the consistency of Sachin is simply out of the world.
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Err, there's a difference between Good Players and Great Players.
End of the day, it all boils down to definition. Zaheer Khan is a good player. But is he a great player? I hope quality for cricket hasn't gone down that much.
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200>194...chanceless innings by Sachin. But I rate his knock against Pak in 98 World cup better than this.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabir
Weird analogy.
Err, there's a difference between Good Players and Great Players.
End of the day, it all boils down to definition. Zaheer Khan is a good player. But is he a great player? I hope quality for cricket hasn't gone down that much.
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he is saying both zaheer and anwar don't rate as greats, which sachin and wasim do. can't say I disagree, this innings aside, anwar would just be a very good player, not a great.
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Anwar faced a tougher environment in terms of crowd + heat&humidity
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Anwar broke down very very early in the innings. Dravid lasted much longer than him in that innings without a runner. Under the same humid conditions Sehwag scored 319 runs right after fielding for 550 runs. It is all part of game. Dean Jones made 210 at the same venue despite vomitting all the way. He didn't need a runner.
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