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March 9, 2010, 12:21 AM
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Khaled Mahmud Shujon Interviewed on CI
'People need to believe in Bangladesh'
Khaled Mahmud looks no different now, overseeing Bangladesh training ahead of the second ODI in Dhaka, to how he did throughout his international career. Short and squat, and possessed of a physique that is undeniably "cuddly", Mahmud became a byword for underachievement in his six years at the top. At one stage he boasted a Test bowling average of 406 and a Test batting mark of 11.25, the worst combined figures for an allrounder in Test history, and his final appearance as his country's captain, against England in 2003, was drowned out by a cacophony of boos.
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March 9, 2010, 12:29 AM
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Seems like Sujon wants to get the job of Head Coach after Siddons era ends.
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March 9, 2010, 12:33 AM
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I don't think someone with Sujon's technical capabilities should be the head coach. He can be/Is a great mentor and has a good head on his shoulders. He is a great strategist as well, but I don't think I like him as our head coach.
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March 9, 2010, 01:10 AM
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Seems like Sujon wants to get the job of Head Coach after Siddons era ends.
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he shouldn't be the head coach, but he should def be around the national team, if not at least the U-19.
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March 9, 2010, 01:26 AM
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I don't think mahmud should be aiming for the position of the head coach at the moment. I want him to be around but not as head coach, I think he is playing his card rather prematurely.
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March 9, 2010, 02:32 AM
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So Siddons has no chance of staying on?
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March 9, 2010, 06:06 AM
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I am not concerned about who the coach is......I am concerned about rapid changes in the group of players with the change of coach. Whatmore had his bunch of chosen players, Jammie is having his preferred ones........when he will leave and a new coach will join, he will have a new group of players. The result is........We will always be an young and inexperienced team.
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March 9, 2010, 07:33 AM
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reading by this he wants the head coach job badly, Please we don't want another ''ordinary'' coach. He should stick to the assistant job, Guy should be happy with that. Gave him a hand and now his thinking of taking the whole arm. Whats so ''special'' about him? only memories i have of him was the '99 world cup. Nothing special doesn't even look like a head coach material.
His talking about the BD culture in that interview, Well he showed another side of that culture by being greedy. This is a transition period for Bangladesh we want a ''visionary'' ''strict'' coach. Not some namby pamby ''rookie'', This will take Bangladesh back. Am sick and tired of losses day and night. And these type of interview just frustrates and angers me so much.
Be a man and sacrifice yourself for the better of the team. Don't be selfish and destroy a struggling countrys future for your greed.
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March 9, 2010, 08:06 AM
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i hope to God that Mahmud or any other Bangladeshi does not become a coach in the near future, we have had no players with any kind of technique to be very proud of in batting or bowling, so wat is he going to teach our players?!
we need to stick with foreign coaches for a while to come
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March 9, 2010, 09:07 AM
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I think he should be the head coach after WC and hire a forgein batting, bowling, fileding and keeping coach. head coach is there to strategis and motivate players and he is a master of it... one thing the article forgot to mention, he was instrumental in the win against a good county team in that 1999 WC. that's the game gave every one the believe that we can do it...
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March 9, 2010, 09:09 AM
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I hope Siddons stays on after the WC.
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March 9, 2010, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by akabir77
I think he should be the head coach after WC and hire a forgein batting, bowling, fileding and keeping coach. head coach is there to strategis and motivate players and he is a master of it... one thing the article forgot to mention, he was instrumental in the win against a good county team in that 1999 WC. that's the game gave every one the believe that we can do it...
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we currently dont have 4 different foreign coaches, what makes u think that BCB will decide to do that just to accomodate Mahmud as head coach
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March 9, 2010, 10:05 AM
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Now that he have decided to dedicate his time to coaching, I think he should be aiming for the highest possible position.... wheather he "gets it or not" or "right now or future" is a different question.
He has some non-technical attributes that are needed to be a great coach: i.e leadership skill, and communication skill.
Now if he set his goal to the highest level, he can always go and have some professional training ....that is needed for him to be a successful coach. Plus he already got a break and is having a "hand on training" with the national team and learning on spot. Thats a huge Plus.
So I say, why not set the goal high and work on developing his skillset that is required to a good head coach. I see nothing wrong with that.
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I don't want Mashud as head coach. I would still prefer a foreigner. I don't mind him being assistant, but we need someone who was a great player themselves and has plenty of experience.
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March 9, 2010, 10:25 AM
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How much coaching did Andy Flower had? Can anyone tell?
The players who transform to Coaches must be specialists something. Batting, bowling or wKeeping. What type of specialist is Sujon? Mental? Good, we need that too. But then after two years don't come and say, 'oh our domestic structure is not producing players!!'
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Those who think he has "IT" in him to take BD to next level, I ask: Is he a proven material? Which team did he take it to next level? Why not give him a year say Sylhet and see where he can take that team in our local leagues. Just one year. Too short? give two years then.
What sylhet is domestic league, BD is to half of intl cricket. We will see what Sujon has.
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Motivation, rah rah thingi are all well and done but how much does it help in the long run? Those are all short term gains, temporary. A win here and there. I see similarities with Sujon and Watmore.
Improving skill sets is there for the long run. Since our domestic structure don't do much our head coach should and must be a specialist coach + Motivating. Be it bowling or batting.
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March 9, 2010, 10:59 AM
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Quote:
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I don't want Mashud as head coach. I would still prefer a foreigner. I don't mind him being assistant, but we need someone who was a great player themselves and has plenty of experience.
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Mahmud = Khaled Mahmud Sujon, asst coach, Bangladesh national team
Mashud = Khaled Mashud Pilot, rajshahi NCL captain, former wktkeeper & captain of national team
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One more thing, if our player pipeline is our domestic cricket then for our national team head coaching position (home grown), we ought to consider our local domestic coach first. Those already have some sort of head coaching experience. Knows the Xs and Ox. Just because Shujon is a household name he don't qualify as a head coach for the national team as of yet. Let him produce some thing in a lower level first.
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Mahmud = Khaled Mahmud Sujon, asst coach, Bangladesh national team
Mashud = Khaled Mashud Pilot, rajshahi NCL captain, former wktkeeper & captain of national team
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Woops I meant Mahmud, not Mashud.
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March 9, 2010, 11:31 AM
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Why are people criticizing him for wanting the head coach's job? It's fine as long as he's working towards it and not getting ahead of himself.
Now whether he will ever be fit for the job is a different question and for the BCB to decide.
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March 9, 2010, 11:35 AM
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Why are people criticizing him for wanting the head coach's job? It's fine as long as he's working towards it and not getting ahead of himself.
Now whether he will ever be fit for the job is a different question and for the BCB to decide.
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Exactly... I don't see what's wrong if someone set his target to be that high.
Looks like people are missing the whole point here.
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March 9, 2010, 12:00 PM
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Why are people criticizing him for wanting the head coach's job? It's fine as long as he's working towards it and not getting ahead of himself.
Now whether he will ever be fit for the job is a different question and for the BCB to decide.
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Very good point.
If one does not try, one can never talk about reaching there.
We are too quick to criticize ones' ambition.
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March 9, 2010, 12:19 PM
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Why are people criticizing him for wanting the head coach's job? It's fine as long as he's working towards it and not getting ahead of himself.
Now whether he will ever be fit for the job is a different question and for the BCB to decide.
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There lies the issue with most. He has no experience to hold such position yet he aims to achieve within a year or two. He is already way ahead of himself thinking he could do better.
Only in BD one can expect get to the top without doing the necessary work. All you need is backing.
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This foreign coach is developing the young players, as opposed to the earlier foreign coach who didn't develop the young players during his tenure. The experience gap in this team could have been shortened if the likes of Rajin ( and the others that Chacha mentioned ) developed and showed these young guys the ropes. The previous coach is the reason there is a void of a generation of cricketers who could have been in their prime right now. I have voiced it before in a separate thread and I am glad Chacha agrees.
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This foreign coach is developing the young players, as opposed to the earlier foreign coach who didn't develop the young players during his tenure. The experience gap in this team could have been shortened if the likes of Rajin ( and the others that Chacha mentioned ) developed and showed these young guys the ropes. The previous coach is the reason there is a void of a generation of cricketers who could have been in their prime right now. I have voiced it before in a separate thread and I am glad Chacha agrees.
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It's almost as if Siddons had to start all over again when he got the job. The average age of the team should have been > 25 by now.
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There lies the issue with most. He has no experience to hold such position yet he aims to achieve within a year or two. He is already way ahead of himself thinking he could do better.
Only in BD one can expect get to the top without doing the necessary work. All you need is backing.
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hopefully we won't suffer from such stupidity - the BCB must be clear in their minds that their fortune lies is directly related to the fortunes of the team.
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