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Should Mushfiqur keep on keeping?
Mushfiqur Rahim has three jobs now. Batting, keeping, and captaincy. He has batted very well in recent days. Although he has made quite a few bad mistakes in captaincy, his captaincy is likely not in jeopardy (although I would have liked Mash to lead the team in shorter formats). However, keeping is where he always has been atrocious. It is routine for him to drop catches that turn out to tilt the game in favor of the opponent. If he does not drop Samuels twice (one was difficult, not the other), I don't think WI would have scored over 160-170. Stamping is his only strength as a wicketkeeper. But, he failed once in that also (Samuels benefiting) because he could not stop one delivery from Shohag.
Also, keeping load might be making him a less effective captain. Although he is not a very good keeper, he probably will be better at slips. If Amanul can cement his position in the team, he should be tried as the wicketkeeper. Any other suggestions? But, I feel that we cannot continue with Mushfiqur as a wicketkeeper. His drops cost the team dearly throughout his career.
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He has been doing very well as a batsman lately. If he gives up keeping, it is possible that he might raise his game further.
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Suza Vai, In this series Mushy has dropped some chance but have you noticed how much has he improved as a keeper? In last 2 years he has improved his keeping a lot. I have seen Mithun, Anamul and Dhiman keeping. None of them are better than Mushy with the gloves. So your thinking will not be fruitful.
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December 11, 2012, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by M.H.Rubel
Suza Vai, In this series Mushy has dropped some chance but have you noticed how much has he improved as a keeper? In last 2 years he has improved his keeping a lot. I have seen Mithun, Anamul and Dhiman keeping. None of them are better than Mushy with the gloves. So your thinking will not be fruitful.
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I totally agree....Mushy's keeping has improved, at least in this series, by leaps and bound. Yes, he dropped 2 catches and missed a stumping yesterday none of which was easy. In fact catching those, standing up, of medium pacers like Zia is very difficult. His plan was to keep Samuels in the crease and he clearly did that which is why Zia's stat looks so good but it's always a risk when you stand close.
I also think a keeper has the best view of the field and the best opportunity to observe the oppositions batsmen from closest proximity. I do not believe his captaincy will be better without it. He did make some mistakes but he also made hell lot of good ones too which lean more toward him being the best captain we can have at the moment.
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December 11, 2012, 12:27 PM
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Guys! he's only human everyone makes mistakes. I prefer to see Anamul on the field than wicket-keep otherwise we would be saying that Anamul is not batting well because he wicket-keeps so no silly excuses.
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December 11, 2012, 02:16 PM
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Anamul is new in the team. Moreover, we are not sure whether he will cement his place in the team. Though he showed average performance in ODI series, we should wait a while more. Even if he makes permanent his place as an opener, he would not do keeping. Because if he opens in second innings, it will be difficult for him after keeping.
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Mushfiqur has improved his keeping somewhat, but he still misses catches regularly. His keeping standard is still below well below international standard. (He can give Kamran Akmal a run for money.)
Will it be better to look for a specialist wicketkeeper? Many of Mushy's misses resulted in match-winning knocks. Thus, we might lose a bit in batting, but the runs saved might be worth it.
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December 12, 2012, 09:33 AM
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Who are the good specialist wicketkeepers in the nation right now?
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December 12, 2012, 09:48 AM
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He has to because he cant hold his spot with inconsistent batting.
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December 12, 2012, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by shuziburo
Mushfiqur has improved his keeping somewhat, but he still misses catches regularly. His keeping standard is still below well below international standard. (He can give Kamran Akmal a run for money.)
Will it be better to look for a specialist wicketkeeper? Many of Mushy's misses resulted in match-winning knocks. Thus, we might lose a bit in batting, but the runs saved might be worth it.
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Suja vai, Definitely a better keeper is best option. But the main problem is do we have any one with better hands? Both anamul and Mithun are poor with gloves. Only Dhiman's gloves work are as same as Mushy. So as there is no option left how can we think about changing ? I can remember in an interview Siddons said that Mushy is the best keeper from the lot.
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December 12, 2012, 02:43 PM
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Should Mushfiqur keep on keeping?
I think he should skip on keeping once in a while or I would rather say... he should keep on skiping keeping once in a while.
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December 12, 2012, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by M.H.Rubel
Suja vai, Definitely a better keeper is best option. But the main problem is do we have any one with better hands? Both anamul and Mithun are poor with gloves. Only Dhiman's gloves work are as same as Mushy. So as there is no option left how can we think about changing ? I can remember in an interview Siddons said that Mushy is the best keeper from the lot.
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I feel that Mushy's average might go up by at least 5 if he did not have to keep and skip. Is Dhiman as bad a catcher? It is terrible that we have no wicketkeeping depth.
Oh, well.
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December 12, 2012, 03:34 PM
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Should Mushfiqur keep on keeping?
I think he should skip on keeping once in a while or I would rather say... he should keep on skiping keeping once in a while.
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Bhalo, bhalo...
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December 12, 2012, 03:37 PM
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Mushfiqur definitely will make the team in all three formats as a batsman. I don't want to beat up an old horse, but how many matches have we lost after Mushy dropped a no-very-difficult catch and allowed an in-trouble team to score a lot of runs? It is like a horror movie. The same scene happens again and again, with different actors.
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December 12, 2012, 04:02 PM
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Definitely not. This is one of the biggest misfortunes of the team right now. The fact that Mushy still keeps. Give it to Anamul asap!
I like that Mushy has done well with the bat recently. I like even more that he comes in every time to stabilize things when our top order in in trouble, even temporarily. So he can remain in the team as the captain, but shouting instructions from cover, not behind the wickets.
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Guys! he's only human everyone makes mistakes. I prefer to see Anamul on the field than wicket-keep otherwise we would be saying that Anamul is not batting well because he wicket-keeps so no silly excuses.
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Please show me another wicketkeeper other than Kamran Akmal who drops the catches the Mushy does. I don't know whether Amanul is a better keeper or not. But, if he is, he should keep. He batted well despite keeping. Thus, that's not an excuse.
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the main issue is bringing in another keeper in will weaken the batting. anamul could possibly keep in the shorter formats but since he's batting in the top 3 it would be better if he focused on just batting in tests.
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December 12, 2012, 08:38 PM
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For Tests he definitely should take the gloves off and should bat at 4 or 5. It's just simply too much work. Bring in Dhiman whose a much better keeper. In the long run, I could see Nurul Hasan coming in ahead of Dhiman since McInnes has described him as a big prospect. It depends on when he's ready. If he's indeed the real deal, I could see him coming in and being the keeper in all 3 formats.
Also people are suggesting Anamul. I'd rather have him just focus on being a specialist batsman. He just came in to the side, let him focus on being a batsman. Don't forget that even in the U19 team, Nurul was preferred as the wicketkeeper.
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December 12, 2012, 09:37 PM
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Should pass on his gloves, his reaction time is pretty terrible for a WK in the international stage and for it the spinners suffer due to missed catches and stumpings, though does fine catching edges off pacers. Also due to him being small and coupled with his reaction time he has trouble prevent a lot of wides that go on to becomes 4s. It is hard to improve one's reaction time, because it largely genetic.
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December 13, 2012, 12:15 AM
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Of the names being mentioned in this thread, including that of one Enamul* Haque Bijoy, only Mohammad Mit'hun Ali is a worse keeper than our Mit'hu from what I've seen. Then again, what do I know about what I'm looking at compared to some.
Good wicket keeping in my ignorant opinion is about sustained focus, lateral footwork and the proper positioning of the gloves in relation to the anticipated delivery. Natural attributes such as sharp reflex, agility and range (height) obviously help those basics and can make someone a great wicket keeper like Gilly and others.
Mit'hu has issues sustaining his focus when keeping close to the stumps when the spinners are on. The fact that his lateral movement is poor in relation to the movement of the ball and he often finds his gloves at an odd angle, makes him spill quite a bit. One would assume that an international keeper with such a diminutive physique, and therefore very little natural range, would rely on lateral footwork compensate. Then again, one assumes wrong when it comes to many of our players.
Dhiman, Sohan, Pavel, Liton and Shahin are all significantly better full time wicket keepers than Mit'hu from what I've seen with my ignorant eyes, and none of them other than Pavel, who makes Omi's atrociously unstable batting technique look as graceful as Amla's, are lacking with the bat. Sohan, according to many, has genuine batting ability. The same was said of Dhiman and he did well enough to pretty much cement his place in the national team before the ICL drama, and his shortsighted comments at that time, drove him out of favor. I'm not sure how well a talent like Sohan will do at the highest level when he's ready but will take Richard's word for it without hesitation. Neither Liton, also a young prospect, nor Shahin is as talented but each has good temperament.
Mit'hu is easily the best batsman we have amongst our wicket keepers, and is one of the best batsmen we have. I agree with Shuja Bhai in the sense that I believe being only a specialist batsman may greatly help his cause with the willow. Everybody here knows what I think of his on field captaincy, so I won't go into that again.
*The "A" was widely reported as a typically careless clerical error at the passport office Bijoy and his entire family has issues with.
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^for some reason, I always forget that LKD is a keeper as well. Problem is he's a top order batsman, so if picked for Tests he has to bat at #6/7. It seems he has a ways to go though before he's considered. I'd like him to focus more on his batting though rather than both at the international level. Also I have my doubts Dhiman will ever be recalled. So we have to place our hopes on LKD and Nurul.
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No harm in giving Anamul the gloves for a few matches.
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Anamul is a good choice IMO. We don't need to brand Anamul as an opener anyways. The boy has great temperament and talent and he will be of better use for us when the ball is not swinging so much (since He needs to sort out his footwork issues). I believe he will be more successful for us in the middle order in Test matches and at no. 3 or 4 in ODIs. He looks like a player who can switch gears and bat according to the situation as well as someone who is good player of spin bowling.
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December 13, 2012, 01:28 PM
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Anamul is a good choice IMO. We don't need to brand Anamul as an opener anyways. The boy has great temperament and talent and he will be of better use for us when the ball is not swinging so much (since He needs to sort out his footwork issues). I believe he will be more successful for us in the middle order in Test matches and at no. 3 or 4 in ODIs. He looks like a player who can switch gears and bat according to the situation as well as someone who is good player of spin bowling.
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Although I find Anamul an intriguing choice, I am reluctant to thrust the keeping duty on him right now. Perhaps, he can start by keeping in T20's. It is not that rigorous and should not affect batting. If he is better than Mushfiqur, he can be tried in ODI, etc.
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Originally Posted by M.H.Rubel
Suza Vai, In this series Mushy has dropped some chance but have you noticed how much has he improved as a keeper? In last 2 years he has improved his keeping a lot. I have seen Mithun, Anamul and Dhiman keeping. None of them are better than Mushy with the gloves. So your thinking will not be fruitful.
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Even with his "improvement," he still is in Kamran Akmal's class. I think he just does not have it. Have you heard the idiom, "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear." I think he is destined to be a poor keeper no matter how hard he tries.
I am impressed with his recent batting, despite some ill-advised dismissals. He should keep working on his batting.
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