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CTazim · #1 June 16, 2005, 11:00 PM

Cricket is a glorious game of uncertainty. History has shown that a team has won a test after forced to follow on. Similarly, just when Bangladesh was recovering from 76-6 with Aftab and Rafique at the crease, a questionable run-out was given. This time it was NJ LIong an Englishman from Kent who was the designated TV umpire and who probably forgot his glasses at home and who refused to give the benefit of the doubt to Aftab. I find it extremely frustrating to say the least, like on several occassions when controversial outs were given against Bangladesh.

Let's say Aftab was not given out at that juncture! Three things could have happened. 1) Aftab could have legitimately gotten out sooner than later. 2) Aftab could have run out of partners, or 3) Masri and Aftab could make even a more respectable score say 250-260. I am not saying that England would have struggled to chase 250, but at least it could have been different.

As a wishful thinker I would opt for #3 as this was a one day game and anything could happen on any given day.

I understand that our standard may not be upto par with that of the mighty English or the Australians and many will continue to question our presence among the elite nations. Nevertheless, we cannot afford questionable calls against us: Questionable calls against us serve the agenda of the people who continue to lobby for our exodus. Questionable calls against us make it even more difficult to silence our critiques. Come on ICC! help us so that we can offer competitive and exciting games.!!

The England team already is in #2 position and maybe at the end of the Ashes they will become #1. So, do they need to play with 12 players against the minnow or for that matter anyone else?

capslock · #2 June 16, 2005, 11:11 PM

He was out, get over it. The day we are no longer dependent on a single batsman to bring respectibility to our innings will be the day these decisions become less bothersome.

Rubu · #3 June 16, 2005, 11:16 PM

I think the run out was obvious enough.

CTazim · #4 June 16, 2005, 11:17 PM

Paraphrasing Thomas Jefferson

"I have sworn at the alter of the Almighty God, eternal hostility against all sorts of tyrannical umpiring decisions against Bangladesh."

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oracle · #5 June 16, 2005, 11:22 PM

Aftab was clearly out. You did'nt need a 3rd umpire for that.

*reverse_swing* · #6 June 16, 2005, 11:25 PM

He was out. No doubt about that.

CTazim · #7 June 16, 2005, 11:26 PM

Okay if you all say so. I watched the game, maybe I need glasses

. okay anyone else care to agree with me that the out was iffy?

howzatt! · #8 June 16, 2005, 11:28 PM

aftab was out.

CTazim · #9 June 16, 2005, 11:29 PM

Okay if anyone doesn't agree with me, moderator please close this thread

Red Cherry · #10 June 17, 2005, 06:45 AM

I second you. In my eyes it was a dubious decision by the 3rd umpire...full stop. Just imagine the same thing happening to Trescothick....we would have to mute our TV sets in order to avoid harsh words from the commentators. They would have said umpires are giving such decision to make the game more competitive so on and so forth.

Spitfire_x86 · #11 June 17, 2005, 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by CTazim
Okay if you all say so. I watched the game, maybe I need glasses

. okay anyone else care to agree with me that the out was iffy?

I agree.

IIRC, we saw two frames. One of them showed Aftab's bat was slightly outside line when the stump was intact and ball in keeper's hand. and in the next frame, the stump was broken and Aftab's bat was slightly inside (not over) the line.

It was a very close call, the run out decision can't be called totally unjustfied. But in these cases, usually the batsman receives benefit of doubt.

BanglarBir · #12 June 17, 2005, 07:16 AM

One important question for me it really necessary to take such a greater risk to loose a wicket for a single run? Had he not run out there was a good chance that he could have scored a century.
This is not the first time this has happend with the BD team. In the last few mathces played by England and Australlia - how many of their players have got out by making this type of silly mistake? This goes to show how well BD is playing as a team.

Shish Ahmed · #13 June 17, 2005, 07:45 AM

It was a close call, one you could not make with the naked eye. Maybe if there was no replay/technology available the umpire would have given the benefit to the batsmen. But watching the slow-mow he was out, his bat was one the line!!

mwrkhan · #14 June 17, 2005, 08:37 AM

Aftab's run out seemed pretty obvious to me.

Mueid · #15 June 17, 2005, 04:02 PM

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Originally posted by CTazim
Okay if anyone doesn't agree with me, moderator please close this thread

there were 2 frames,
the first showed aftabs bats an inch away from the crease and the stumps still intact.
the second showed aftab inside and the stumps broken.
now its for u people to judge. i would say there was enough doubt for aftab to be given not out. it was indeed an unfair decision against us.

Mueid · #16 June 17, 2005, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by BanglarBir
One important question for me it really necessary to take such a greater risk to loose a wicket for a single run? Had he not run out there was a good chance that he could have scored a century.
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his singles were the highlight of his innings. he took singles frequently and fluently, although there were some close calls but he was never afraid of taking on the fielders which i think is good. his run out was unfortunate and yes it is important to take singles and everything involves a risk.

Rob · #17 June 17, 2005, 04:18 PM

The camera angle used on the Channel 4 highlights here in the UK showed that he was clearly out, no question at all.

End of story.

abu_akif · #18 June 17, 2005, 04:23 PM

Forget it guys, letsthink about the next game.. I hope Aftab plays his game again..

obernell · #19 June 17, 2005, 04:23 PM

well bashar was way before he was actually out, remember lewis's appeal of lbw was turned down?
so i guess its all even

Spitfire_x86 · #20 June 17, 2005, 04:32 PM

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Originally posted by abu_akif
Forget it guys, letsthink about the next game.. I hope Aftab plays his game again..

yeah, it's past now

RazabQ · #21 June 17, 2005, 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by rob22888
The camera angle used on the Channel 4 highlights here in the UK showed that he was clearly out, no question at all.
End of story.

umm Rob, you also thought the Geraint Jones "catch" was not an obvious bump ball either ... so on the veracity of your optical powress, doubts I have ...

Story NOT Ended

babubangla · #22 June 17, 2005, 07:25 PM

People see with their eyes or with their mind?

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Rubu · #23 June 17, 2005, 07:47 PM

Two cases are equally obvious. its as much true that nafis was not out is that aftab was out.

aftab was out, no doubt.
nafis was not out, no doubt.

end of the story.

CTazim · #24 June 17, 2005, 10:03 PM

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Originally posted by AgentSmith
Two cases are equally obvious. its as much true that nafis was not out is that aftab was out.

aftab was out, no doubt.
nafis was not out, no doubt.

end of the story.

Actually it is only the beginning (we are only 5 years young as an elite test playing nation.). We ought to continue to raise awareness! Maybe only then ICC will react/act. Case in point, Ashoka Di Silva! He is no longer in the Elite panel of umpires. He was down graded, and legitimately so, by ICC after his consistent controversial umpiring against Bangladesh.

Now we have to consistently let ICC know of our grievance when there are disparate judgements against players of different race/nation for similar offenses. We must be vocal when "subjective" decisions are passed as impartial and objective. Sooner or later they have to listen.

Duck · #25 June 18, 2005, 12:07 AM

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Originally posted by BanglarBir
One important question for me it really necessary to take such a greater risk to loose a wicket for a single run? Had he not run out there was a good chance that he could have scored a century.
This is not the first time this has happend with the BD team. In the last few mathces played by England and Australlia - how many of their players have got out by making this type of silly mistake? This goes to show how well BD is playing as a team.

Thinking of Mashree's batting forms so far in the series (the series of Ducks!), Aftab probably taken the risk to shield Mashree from the striking crease...... just to allow him some time to get used to the pitch....... The Comms said: he was hesitating for some fractions of a second for the 2nd run.........But this is sad but true that he was out.....though a close one.

this is totaly irrelevant to the thread, but cant share my feelings from you: I liked the way of Aftab...he went down to the field to escort Mashree while he was coming from the lounge, chatted with him while walking upto the pitch, and gave him some words of peace! This seems to me that he has taken the responsibility to carry the innings, although he was unfortunate. Nonetheless, this is a glimpse of maturity. We need this kind of things too while in the fileld. This is very small matter, but turns into big profit.

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