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June 24, 2009, 12:42 AM
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Bangladeshi Match Winner Player(s) - myth or reality?
The way we use Match Winner and "Playing his Natural Game" is kind of over using these terms I guess. Beamer addressed "Natural Game" aspect and here in this thread I would try to discuss about Match Winner issues. Do we really have any? if so, who are they?
We often argue that this guy is match winner and that guy is not and to prove our case we stage and filter our data and use our fuzzy logic to say this 50 was better than that 50 or a 100 somehow is astronomically better than a 95 for example. But for me its pure straight and simple who I consider a match winner (if any) and who is not. I don't want to distinguish the quality of the score, the opponent, nor do I want to distinguish between a 100 and a 98 beyond that 2 run difference. To me, every runs counts, every wicket counts and every opponent counts equal. When BD plays against any opponent ODI or TEST, that records counts. To me, to be considered to be a match winning performance, he needs to win MOM award. There may be multiple players who contribute significantly, but the one who wins the MOM is officially considered the best performer in that particular game, and therefore the Match Winner. Others are contributors and may be potential match winner, but definitely not the match winner in that game. In the next two posts I would show the stat for TEST MOM and ODI MOM for all the games that we played. That would give us if really we have any significant match winner or not. Also I am going take into consideration how many times they played and calculate their potential MOM rate. I think it’s unfair for a player who may played 10 games with 1 MOM to compare with another player with 5 MOM with 100 games with pure total number of MOM they each got. That’s why I am calculating potential MOM rate. I hope it will shed some light to some
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June 24, 2009, 12:43 AM
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The above table is the summary of all the 58 TEST that we played. There was 1 Win, 6 Draw and 51 Loss. Only 9 times a BD player was rewarded as MOM i.e Match winning perforamce. The following table have the list of these players and their Potential MOM Rate (PMOMR)
My conclusion: None of our players have good PMOMR to be proud of Only one player, Ashraful, has multiple MOM Young players like Shakib and Enamul has better PMOMR than more senior and establsihed players like Mashrafee, Rafique and Ashraful In TEST, its a myth rather than reality, i.e we don't have any true Match winner in our team yet. So there is no point to brag about who is our Match Winner and who is not in TEST team.
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"Make Bangladesh Cricket Great Again" Last edited by Fazal; June 24, 2009 at 01:14 AM..
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June 24, 2009, 12:44 AM
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Bangladesh has played 198 ODI out of which they won 44 games i.e. winning percentage of 22%. In these games, Bangladeshi players earned 49 MOMs i.e. 24% times.
Therefore if we look for match winners, we me be disappointed. However taking into consideration of our 22% team winning percentage, if we lower our bar and try to find out who are our match wining contributors in game in game out, that may be more relevant to us. Also that will give us another POV to analyze our young team that who may give us our next WIN (or close to win) by winning another MOM award. This thread I am using PMOM Rate as an indicator of player's rate/projection of their MOM and thereby give the team a chance for another win. Here are the 198 games we played and the MOM for each.
Here are the Bangladeshi players you won MOM and calculated PMOM Rate
Atlast the ODI data is compiled together and PMOM Rate calculated. For those who care take a look, it may open some eye ( as it did to me)... http://www.banglacricket.com/alochon...59&postcount=3 I am reposting my observation here anyway.... Facts from the data (ODI): 1) Shahriar Nafees and Mashrafe got maximum of 7 MOMs followed by Ashraful and Shakib who got 6 MOMs. 2) The top 5 PMOM Rate Holders are 1) SN ( 11.7%), 2) Shakib (9.7%), 3) Rana (8%), 4) Mashrafe (6.8%), Farhad (6.2%) However Rana and Farhad didn't played enough games to have a stabilized PMOM. My comments (about our ODI players) : Personally it really opens my mind about the few thinks: 1) We can trust our young players in future to win us some games for us in future, more that what we used to get in the past. 2) Rana's 8% PMOM (3rd in the list) , just make me realize that what a talent we lost, nothing spectacular.. no hype, but result oriented performance like a blue color worker. 3) Marshrafee is still our most trust worthy experienced player we have. 4) Shakib will lead us to the next level. I am hoping that his PMOMR will increase over next few years as most of his MOMRsare recent. 5) We need SN as soon as possible in the team. Some of his MOM (not all) came from weaker teams. But then, those are teams we play more. So why not bring him back to make sure we win against them day in day out. That will make our team's job much easier. 6) We need to bring back Farhad into the ODI equation as soon as possible. He may not be a solution for TEST or T20, but looks like he is still an untapped potential for our ODI team. In his limited exposure his PMOMR of 8% ( 4th in all time list) proves. At least he will bring some competition. 7) As we already spent some time in Junaid, maybe we should stick with him a little longer. But only when he is inform with the bat. No point to spoil his career. Long term, I would like to see further where he can take us. 8) Raqibul will stabilize our lineup and in low scoring bowling friendly games, he may win some MOMs as well as games for us. 9) Aftab (5%) has slightly higher PMOMR than Ashraful (4.3%). Aftab may bring some experience, flair and some quick runs like Ash. So I say we need to bring back Aftab also and let him compete with Ash for a slot in the final 11. 10) By this time Tamim should have a much better PMOMR what he have now. He need to go to the next level . These 30s and 40s is not going give him any MOMs. As an opener, he is in a unique position. He needs to take it to 80s and 100s. 11) Pilot was the best WC that we ever had. Pilot had one "Man of the series" award. We need more production from our current WC groups. And the way to do it is more competition. There comes brining back Dhiman if we donlt have any talent who is ready to challenge Rahim. 12) More or less I feel much better about our future with our newer corps of players, specially the middle order. However in Bowling, Opener, and WC we have to see which young players step in to replace Mashrafe, SN, and Pilot. Because up to now, we still don’t have adequate replacement of those three. [Updated June 29, 2009]
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"Make Bangladesh Cricket Great Again" Last edited by Fazal; June 28, 2009 at 11:54 PM..
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June 24, 2009, 12:53 AM
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Fazalda....stop hogging your own thread.
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June 24, 2009, 12:58 AM
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According to this, Tendulkar is #1 matchwinner.
Shakib's result: 6 times in all three format of the game. Nafees' result: 7 times " Ash's result: 10 times " Last edited by Zeeshan; June 24, 2009 at 01:38 AM..
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June 24, 2009, 01:23 AM
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Wtf is a match-winner?
 Can we not stick with the term 'team player'?
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June 24, 2009, 01:29 AM
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you linked ashraful to nafees' page.
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June 24, 2009, 01:32 AM
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June 24, 2009, 01:32 AM
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Ash got 6 not 7, Your link is wrong. It takes to Nafees's link
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June 24, 2009, 01:37 AM
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Ash got 10 MoM Awards not 7.
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June 24, 2009, 01:37 AM
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June 24, 2009, 01:39 AM
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So what's the verdict, before ami ghumaite jai....according to Fazalda's criteria Ash is the "matchwinner"?
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June 24, 2009, 01:39 AM
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But this debate is going on in the "Thanks Ashraful for your service as Bangladesh Captain" where people were claiming that we have only one match winner in the team. I didn;t want to dilute that thread as its a thread created by Ash fans to give him his final honor. However I couldn't resist to point out we really don;t have any. And if we really have one, his name may no longer be Ashraful.
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June 24, 2009, 01:41 AM
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In the End Fazal, Ash will Always Win, Remember that
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June 24, 2009, 01:43 AM
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bangali janeo khaijuira alap korte...
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June 24, 2009, 01:46 AM
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Woo, looks like SN is our 'match winner'.
 : floor::f loor:Biggest joke in recent times!! Peraonally, I don't believe in matchwinners. It's impossible to 'win' a match alone.For example, without Bashars slowpoke 47, Ash's exploding 100 would be useless. Without Ash's run a ball 26, Shakib's sensational 92 would be in vain. Dev whatmore targetted players and asked for personal improvement only as a way to improve the team.This is not the way to be a formidable team. This is the way towards a merely respectable team,which I admit we're still a way apart from . In a settled team, A match winner is someone who can finish the game or go an extra mile, like Albie Morkel or Pietersen or Yuvraj. But to do that, they must be given a platform. We currently don't have a line up that can provide the launchpad for a potential matchwinner. Once that part is done, I'll look for matchwinner. Remember, even the Mighty Gayle can't win a measly 20 over battle by himself.
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June 24, 2009, 01:51 AM
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I understand that you are pissed off with what is happening with Ash. If you want to vent off your frustration, please go somewhere else and pick some one esle to fight. Lets not go again in a discussion who kiss Ash's as$ and who hates Ash. I care less if Ash is personally successful or not, I care more if team wins or lose. may be there is our difference. We all support our team. I think Ash is damaging the team's goal and you think he is helping, and lets keep it that way and agree to disagree. And if you think this thread is wasting your time, please feel free to ignore this thread. Thanks
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June 24, 2009, 01:51 AM
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We have to put BD team and it's players in true perspective. We have to consider our level of cricket and the players are compared within our national boundary only. Whomever has significant & maximum contribution in changing the course of a match is a match winner.
Though we didn't win many tests, but at some point even draw or putting up a fighting score was considered to be victories for us. Hope we don't forget where we started. A good century in a match or a 5 wkt haul in a test displays match winning performance for our team. Had there performance been supported by some moderate performances by a couple others could have given us a win. That's what other reputed international math winners enjoy from their side. Trying to prove; We don't have a Match winner is like; "Nijer Naak Kete Porer Jatra Bhongo". Highly Pre conceived ..... .
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June 24, 2009, 01:52 AM
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Starring cricman and Fazal as protagonist and asntagonist. Hold your breath......
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June 24, 2009, 01:54 AM
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June 24, 2009, 02:00 AM
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Therefore the logic that player X or Y ( regardless of his performance) cannot be droped by claiming he is a match winner, and without him we cannot win any more, should not make any sense to you also. But then again you explained who is a match winner in your POV. See there lies the problem, your definition is too vague and subjest to interpretation and will be different based on individual and cannot be backed up with facts. And there we get statements from fans that "he is our true match winner and he is not". It cannot be backup by stat, and there lies the problem.
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"Make Bangladesh Cricket Great Again" Last edited by Fazal; June 24, 2009 at 02:07 AM..
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June 24, 2009, 02:04 AM
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Fazal Using Your Criteria of (PMOMR)
Murali, Andy Flower, Kapil Dev are Either Equal or Worth Less than Ash Lara < Shahriar Nafees Numbers can be skewed to favor anyones argument
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