Match Thread: Bangladesh vs Sri Lanka, 2nd Test, July 03-07, 2007 - Page 152

Sohel · #**3776** July 5, 2007, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by PoorFan
Good team, but Rajin should there in place of Nafees Iqbal/Golla Jr.

I'd gamble on GJ's dramatic technical improvements. Nafees Iqbal laigga jaite pare because of his talent, he's also there to give Abir the active rest that may bring him back to test cricket someday, and give GJ the time to become the opener he will become INSHALLAH. He has impressed me with his remarkable turnaround. Junayed and Nirala are still 2 to 3 years away from test cricket.

Sorry, but Rajin's limitations make him a liability for a more talented team that must learn on the job before better FC cricket starts preparing our players adequately. I think temporary, band-aid solutions do more harm than good.

Aritro · #**3777** July 5, 2007, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by shaad
Sohel, how is Nafees Iqbal playing nowadays? And is Enamul looking dangerous again?

Nafis has had a long lay-off from cricket and his only decent scores of late have been a few good innings in the Dhaka League.

Enamul seems to have gone backwards.

Aritro · #**3778** July 5, 2007, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Sohel NR

Sorry, but Rajin's limitations make him a liability for a more talented team that must learn on the job before better FC cricket starts preparing our players adequately. I think temporary, band-aid solutions do more harm than good.

I think it's a slightly strange move to leave out the batsman who's been our best perfromer in the last couple of years.

Is Golla jr. Mehrab Hossain?

What's he done of late to convince you to believe?

Sohel · #**3779** July 5, 2007, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by shaad
Sohel, how is Nafees Iqbal playing nowadays? And is Enamul looking dangerous again?

I've talked about Nafees in another post. Abir needs a rest and GJ more time to become a legitimate test opener.

Enam is a talented strike bowler, and should never be substituted for a "containment" bowler in a test match. His exclusion was the type of classic boldami par excellence Faruikka and Ata are known for.

Sohel · #**3780** July 5, 2007, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Aritro
I think it's a slightly strange move to leave out the batsman who's been our best perfromer in the last couple of years.

Is Golla jr. Mehrab Hossain?

What's he done of late to convince you to believe?

I was pleasantly shocked by his front footwork and fearlessness. I never thought he'd do it and in that short a time, we're talking two weeks here. Shaun W did great with him. Ball by ball focus he'll develop as he plays more matches. We have gold here despite the paltry runs he put on the board.

Aritro · #**3781** July 5, 2007, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sohel NR
Enam is a talented strike bowler, and should never be substituted for a "containment" bowler in a test match. His exclusion was the type of classic boldami par excellence Faruikka and Ata are known for.

To be fair, he bowled pretty woefully even for the Academy team and, predictably, didn't fare much better during the Test series.

Aritro · #**3782** July 5, 2007, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sohel NR
I was pleasantly shocked by his front footwork and fearlessness. I never thought he'd do it and in that short a time, we're talking two weeks here. Shaun W did great with him. Ball by ball focus he'll develop as he plays more matches. We have gold here despite the paltry runs he put on the board.

I actually liked his footwork in the first innings, but didn't want to come to any sort of conclusion about him given that he only lasted a couple of overs.

WarWolf · #**3783** July 5, 2007, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Sohel NR
I've talked about Nafees in another post. Abir needs a rest and GJ more time to become a legitimate test opener.

Enam is a talented strike bowler, and should never be substituted for a "containment" bowler in a test match. His exclusion was the type of classic boldami par excellence Faruikka and Ata are known for.

Abir needs to be brought down to middle order for his capability of playing spin.

Aritro · #**3784** July 5, 2007, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by WarWolf
Abir needs to be brought down to middle order for his capability of playing spin.

I agree fully.

He'll never cut it as an opener, but may carve out a reasonable Test career as a number 5 where his footwork won't be exposed as much.

Sohel · #**3785** July 5, 2007, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Aritro
I actually liked his footwork in the first innings, but didn't want to come to any sort of conclusion about him given that he only lasted a couple of overs.

You've seen it too. I'd rather gamble on talent, including the ability to learn fast, than "conventional wisdom" without appropriate domestic FC any day of the week. I doubt that Enam would do any worse than Razzak, Shakib, or even Rafique at this point.

Dhurr · #**3786** July 5, 2007, 06:48 AM

aritro, i agree 100% with your assessment in this page.

Aritro · #**3787** July 5, 2007, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sohel NR
You've seen it too. I'd rather gamble on talent, including the ability to learn fast, than "conventional wisdom" without appropriate domestic FC any day of the week. I doubt that Enam would do any worse than Razzak, Shakib, or even Rafique at this point.

I see.

I'd have Talha Jubiar in there if it's a talent-based XI.

Still the most promising fast bowler we've ever produced.

Aritro · #**3788** July 5, 2007, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dhurr
aritro, i agree 100% with your assessment in this page.

Cheers

Sohel · #**3789** July 5, 2007, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by WarWolf
Abir needs to be brought down to middle order for his capability of playing spin.

I think he can become a great opener someday, after he shows everyone that he's too good for the NCL after a few 100s there. That active rest will harness his positive attributes and make him stronger than ever, as I believe it has already done for Alok.

Continuing to play and shuffling him around will only pile on the pressure he cannot handle at this point. Don't kick the dog when it's down.

Sohel · #**3790** July 5, 2007, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Aritro
I see.

I'd have Talha Jubiar in there if it's a talent-based XI.

Still the most promising fast bowler we've ever produced.

I'm a huge Talha fan myself. I still remember those 90mph scorchers when he was just 17. Now he has become a good "containment" bowler, ideal in the Rasel-mould for the ODI side. He's learning to swing the ball well, and will give every third seamer a good run for their money, in both forms of the game, in 2 years max INSHALLAH.

WarWolf · #**3791** July 5, 2007, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sohel NR
I think he can become a great opener someday, after he shows everyone that he's too good for the NCL after a few 100s there. That active rest will harness his positive attributes and make him stronger than ever, as I believe it has already done for Alok.

Continuing to play and shuffling him around will only pile on the pressure he cannot handle at this point. Don't kick the dog when it's down.

My point was to send him in the middle orders, not bashing him. If Australia can send a good opener like Gilli in the late middile order then what's the problem with him sending in the middle overs? SN has feet movement problems earlier in the innings against pace bowling which is known to all. To me, sending him in the middle order would give him more chance to settle down earlier in his innings.

Aritro · #**3792** July 5, 2007, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sohel NR
I'm a huge Talha fan myself. I still remember those 90mph scorchers when he was just 17. Now he has become a good "containment" bowler, ideal in the Rasel-mould for the ODI side. He's learning to swing the ball well, and will give every third seamer a good run for their money, in both forms of the game, in 2 years max INSHALLAH.

Hopefully some specialised work at the Academy will allow him to stay around the 85mph mark consistently. I'm also very curious to see his new action.

Aritro · #**3793** July 5, 2007, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sohel NR
I think he can become a great opener someday, after he shows everyone that he's too good for the NCL after a few 100s there. That active rest will harness his positive attributes and make him stronger than ever, as I believe it has already done for Alok.

Continuing to play and shuffling him around will only pile on the pressure he cannot handle at this point. Don't kick the dog when it's down.

To be honest, I can't see him managing to see off the new ball with any sort of consistency if we're playing on a pitch with any grass on it. Someone like Hoggard would toy with him.

Sohel · #**3794** July 5, 2007, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Aritro
Hopefully some specialised work at the Academy will allow him to stay around the 85mph mark consistently. I'm also very curious to see his new action.

That's what I'm hoping for too. It still amazes me how he has managed to come back after the injury ... he's iron willed, and may surprise us yet with 80kmph consistently. More than that may aggravate his injury at this point.

Baundule · #**3795** July 5, 2007, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Sohel NR
I'm a huge Talha fan myself. I still remember those 90mph scorchers when he was just 17. Now he has become a good "containment" bowler, ideal in the Rasel-mould for the ODI side. He's learning to swing the ball well, and will give every third seamer a good run for their money, in both forms of the game, in 2 years max INSHALLAH.

Are you sure about the 90mph part?

WarWolf · #**3796** July 5, 2007, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Baundule
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Are you sure about the 90mph part?

I rembember him hitting 143/144 kmph occasionally earlier in his career.

Baundule · #**3797** July 5, 2007, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dhurr
ashraful looks very distressed. he said the boys have been trying really hard and looks like he means it. good luck in the last test.

Trying hard is not enough. Trying hard like a stupid does not make any sense. First, they must learn in which way to try.

Sohel · #**3798** July 5, 2007, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Aritro
To be honest, I can't see him managing to see off the new ball with any sort of consistency if we're playing on a pitch with any grass on it. Someone like Hoggard would toy with him.

At this particular juncture, I agree with you 100% ... but after 20 plus FC matches, I think he'll have what it takes to deal with a wide variety of new ball bowlers. Not that our FC is quality, but the sheer minutes count also, especially when it comes to ball by ball focus.

Sohel · #**3799** July 5, 2007, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Baundule
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Originally Posted by Sohel NR
I'm a huge Talha fan myself. I still remember those 90mph scorchers when he was just 17. Now he has become a good "containment" bowler, ideal in the Rasel-mould for the ODI side. He's learning to swing the ball well, and will give every third seamer a good run for their money, in both forms of the game, in 2 years max INSHALLAH.

Are you sure about the 90mph part?

Oh yes. There's a couple of good Talha threads here in BC.

Aritro · #**3800** July 5, 2007, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sohel NR
That's what I'm hoping for too. It still amazes me how he has managed to come back after the injury ... he's iron willed, and may surprise us yet with 80kmph consistently. More than that may aggravate his injury at this point.

Brett Lee came back from a worse run of injuries... and turned out to be the fastest bowler in the world.

Obviously that sort of comeback is extremely unusual, and it's a huge stretch to expect Talha to bowl at the same pace he was before.

But if they put him through the specialised conditioning work they use for fast bowlers in places like the MRF Academy (focusing on core strength, building up the 'trunk' area, specific lifting programs to build fast-twitch fibre), hopefully he can get his pace back up a bit higher than 80mph.