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View Poll Results: Should Mushfiqur be stripped of captaincy?
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March 24, 2014, 03:40 AM
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Captain is out in the field to implement coaches gameplan
When captain fails to implement that plan, coach must intervene.
When a captain repeatedly fails, you know his teacher is failing.
Mushy is no Hafeez and he might never become as good ever.
But under the right coach, he can and will get better.
Under Shane this team falling apart in all department..
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March 24, 2014, 03:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reyme
Captain is out in the field to implement coaches gameplan
When captain fails to implement that plan, coach must intervene.
When a captain repeatedly fails, you know his teacher is failing.
Mushy is no Hafeez and he might never become as good ever.
But under the right coach, he can and will get better.
Under Shane this team falling apart in all department..
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While I totally agree in cricket Coaches play an important role, I have seen coaches writing messages down and passing to the players, I saw Hong Kong coach talking to the batsman that are about to walk down reminding them what to do, I saw Lehman following every ball and directing his players. I can't help but notice Shane Jurgusen's laid back attitude, but also can't help but notice Mushfiques indifference and lack of planning. To me, he was impressive in the Afghanistan game to be honest. He was proactive, he was loud and he seemed interesed and motivated. However, he needs to do that on a consistent basis.
Again, you can only pull the horse to the water but you can't make him drink. Mushfique will need to take decisions as a captain. Thats why he is given the job of leading the Bangladeshi Cricket Team. It is a responsibility that he should cherish and be proud of. He is great team man, he will not swear like Shakib, he will not bring the morale down. But he actually doesnt believe in the team. Now you may ask how I came up with this theory, it is very apparent you see. Couple of examples:
- Alamin missed/fumbled a couple of balls in the fine leg area, what did Mushfique do? If it was anyone else, and by anyone else I mean even the Afghan captain that fielder would have been removed and replaced, he didn't care.
- Eventhough Alamin was getting outswing, he never cared or bothered to put a slip.
- He never puts ANY players to cut the singles. All the fielders are ALWAYS on the edge of the circle which is seriously pissing off. This lets off pressure and is just mind boggling to be honest.
- His handling of Razzak, he believes in this bullsh** player too much. He was never good, he is way to be playing for T20, he is way too old to be fielding, he is way too careless to be anywhere in the batting list. We might as well go with 10 players (I am assuming Farhad is not playing in the next match, he can't be surely, if he is we might as well commit suicide).
- He needs to put the best fielders, that is Nasir, Shabbir, Shakib, Anamul in critical positions. He doesn't do that. Nasir was the slip fielder, are you kidding me? Get Riad as a slip fielder.
- His lack of game planning: I could go on and on, I would rather not.
I am frustrated, angry, saddened. I can't understand how even the associates like Afghanistan are becoming more organized and fearless and how we are going backwards. Again I ask this, is a good captain who has captained the team before and knows the game well too much to ask for seriously guys????
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March 24, 2014, 03:54 AM
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Fact is, we are stuck with Musfiq irrespective of the results, till the 2015 WC.
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March 24, 2014, 08:20 AM
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^^ and he knows it!
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March 24, 2014, 09:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maysun
Fact is, we are stuck with Musfiq irrespective of the results, till the 2015 WC.
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Yup...
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Originally Posted by meazz1
^^ and he knows it!
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Yup... yup... yup..
but.. if the BCB is bold enough and inovative enough, they can still find his replacement. Beacuse:
.... if there is a will, there is a way.
... You will never find a solutiuon unless you look for it.
... Every body is replaceable in the world
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March 24, 2014, 11:04 AM
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Yup he should be.. if we have such a worthless captain in the 2015 Worldcup, we have mentally lost every single match even before the tournament has started. The most frustrating part is, he makes the exact same mistakes in every match; there seems to be no learning at all.
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March 24, 2014, 11:10 AM
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Ok if he resigns or BCB sack him who will replace him?
Shakib?
Tamim?
How are they any better than Mushfique?
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March 24, 2014, 11:17 AM
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We are not a new test playing nation any more.
For every postion and for for every role, BCB should have "Option B", "Option C", etc. If they don't have those options, then its their incompetence.
As a fan, the excuse that "We don't have any alternative" for a captain is not exceptable by me.
Plus I also believe that for every change, there is a risk (of failue) involved. There is nothing called "change without any risk". When situation comes to a point where status quo is not working anymore, you have to make changes even it there is the element of "risk" in that move. And after t20 world cup, this is the perfect time to make that move.
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March 24, 2014, 11:30 AM
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I want Shakib back as a captain and some one else as VC (not Tamim) and let him lose... all will be standing in the straight line. Remember no one Pak board like Imran Khan for his straight forwardness but couldn't dare to speak to his decisions. we need someone like him to lead...
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March 24, 2014, 02:35 PM
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Agree with Fazal and akabir. At some point people used to think there were no alternative for some such as AAA batteries. Where are they now? How the team was run before this current captain. Mushy has turned out to be the worst captain in the history of BD cricket. Even a 5 year old girl will do better. We are in fact better off without any captain who repeatedly makes same mistakes and his nepotism towards certain player and reservation against some other players are way too obvious now.
Shakib showed how to lead this team, he has done it right and he should be the captain.
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March 24, 2014, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by imtiaz82
Yup he should be.. if we have such a worthless captain in the 2015 Worldcup, we have mentally lost every single match even before the tournament has started. The most frustrating part is, he makes the exact same mistakes in every match; there seems to be no learning at all.
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This is my biggest complaint about him.
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March 24, 2014, 07:13 PM
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I am not enamored by Shakib. But, why do we have to stop there?
We can look at the young ones. MAK Pataudi was only 21 when he became captain.
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March 24, 2014, 07:30 PM
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Please sack him after this tournament. There is no such thing as command and control in Mushfiq as far as I can see. Shakib already had his turn and now Tamim should be given a chance now . He will not be worse than the incumbent.
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March 24, 2014, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by shuziburo
We can look at the young ones. MAK Pataudi was only 21 when he became captain.
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Shuzi bhai our younger players are still struggling to cement their place in the team. A captain has to perform in order to lead from the front. In terms of performance our options are very limited. I think everyone will agree Tamim is not captaincy material, that really leaves us with 2 options Shakib and Mushy. If Mash was 100% healthy and always available, I don't think we would have been having this discussion right now.
If you look at last 2 year's performance of our young players, Nasir stands out the most. A lot of people in BC were starting to think that down the line someday Nasir will take over this team. But after his recent rough patch/irresponsible batting, unwillingness to admit that he is out of form, take blame for his own mistakes instead of making excuses, makes it pretty clear that he still has a lot of growing up to do. I hope he will get there someday, but I just don't think he is there yet.
I hate to say it, but I think we will be stuck with Mushy/Shane combination until the 2015 WC. Most likely both of them will lose their jobs after that WC, and as usual we'll have another fresh new start and we will hear all the same BS talk we have been hearing since 2007 WC about rebuilding/consistence performance/shot selection from a new coach and a different captain.
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March 25, 2014, 09:26 AM
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Mushy definitely need to go.
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March 25, 2014, 09:38 AM
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wth is going on?
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March 25, 2014, 09:38 AM
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3 bowlers inside first 10 overs of a T20? An era where captains dont mind giving bowlers 1 over spells.
Players very demotivated. Nothing right happening.
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March 25, 2014, 09:44 AM
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Mushfiq needs a break.
Can't keep, can't rotate, he is the man of the match for WI today.
He should be rested immediately for at least 6 months.
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March 25, 2014, 09:49 AM
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Pathetic captain.
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March 25, 2014, 09:57 AM
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Shak not bowling 4 overs when he is the best bowler you have. Its not even a joke anymore
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March 25, 2014, 09:59 AM
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Struggling gazi came back in the team and he struglled a bit and you let him bolw 4 overs within 12 overs where you have so many options left? Too many options given to him kind of puzzle him... too much to handle for him.
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March 25, 2014, 10:00 AM
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No matter what..I SAY NO MATTER WHAT..you can not let your best bowler in the team have overs left at the end
He can give ball to pant veza but not to Zia?
Mushfik needs to be stripped of captaincy, if we want to do anything in the 2015 WC this decision has to come now
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March 25, 2014, 10:08 AM
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Seriously, bringing in your best bowler after the 12th over?
Just what the hell
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March 25, 2014, 10:14 AM
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Repeating from other thread
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People think Mushy to be decent person. I started to think otherwise. He is on the mission to destroy Zia's career. Brought him to bowl on 19th over just for one over just to destroy his stats!!!
Nasty Mushy!!!
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March 25, 2014, 10:14 AM
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I can not take it anymore.. giving sabbir before Shakib????
Why on earth Gazi bowling 4 over? is he a 4 over material??
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