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November 8, 2014, 11:02 AM
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Rest Mushfiq and Shakib. Replace Rajib.
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November 8, 2014, 11:39 AM
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^resting the captain?
We are hardly in a position in which we should be resting key players. Then again, we won't be playing tests for a while
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November 8, 2014, 01:49 PM
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Lot of you want to see Rahim play as a batsman only. It is not going to happen for quite some time. So, no point coming up with a line up with him as a specialist batsman.
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November 8, 2014, 03:00 PM
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Rest Mushfiq and Shakib. Replace Rajib.
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We r not there yet... but time is coming.
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November 8, 2014, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
The problem is 1) Mushi's form. up and down. Mostly down. Pushing him up now may be detrimental for the team.
2) He would not give up glove work easily. He will fight tooth and nails. Unless Coach and admin becomes strict on this; this is not happening. He is blind as a bat. He can't see the big picture or can't think outside the box. He is more concerned about his position even if he is the captain for now. The rightful captain for BD is Shakib and he knows that.
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I think he can be persuaded to share gloves with Bijoy. This is a three Test series followed by 5 ODIs, I doubt he has endurance to last all by himself as the keeper.
But, yeah, it's unlikely that he will agree to a new batting position for himself or Riyad for that matter.
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November 9, 2014, 12:05 AM
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Sharing gloves shouldn't even be a thought imo, whoever keeps does it the whole time. Now we have a problem since riyad is doing well at 4 and he's struggled batting top 7 in general we probably don't want to move him but 4 is mominul's best spot and I think mushy against the better teams is a better option at 3 even though mominul has still looked good batting at 3 in this series.
Other thing is anamul shouldn't open and should only be in the XI if he's keeping, that means we have to drop someone who just made runs, hom the obvious choice but is it fair to drop someone who is new to this level and just started to adjust and make some runs? Not fair but then team dynamic is more important than any one player.
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November 9, 2014, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Gowza
Sharing gloves shouldn't even be a thought imo, whoever keeps does it the whole time. Now we have a problem since riyad is doing well at 4 and he's struggled batting top 7 in general we probably don't want to move him but 4 is mominul's best spot and I think mushy against the better teams is a better option at 3 even though mominul has still looked good batting at 3 in this series.
Other thing is anamul shouldn't open and should only be in the XI if he's keeping, that means we have to drop someone who just made runs, hom the obvious choice but is it fair to drop someone who is new to this level and just started to adjust and make some runs? Not fair but then team dynamic is more important than any one player.
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Why would you even consider dropping someone for Anamul?
Did he perform when he was in the side? No
Did he fix his problems (footwork) after he got dropped? No
Did he perform well enough to earn a recall? No
Did he even show a glimpse of what a test batsman should look like? No
In my opinion i would rather pick Nafees, Imrul and Nasir over him since they have shown at some point that they can score big. They are just inconsistent at it. I would also rather give players like Marshal, Jahirul or Hom a chance ahead of him since they didnt get enough chances and at the same time managed to make some sort of statement by performing in the domestics.
Anamul is an explosive T20 expert who can be trusted to play ODIs. Keep him away from test cricket. His flaws are significant enough to damage his chances of performing at this format
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November 9, 2014, 04:51 AM
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Imrul in for Shamsu (Anamul is not yet good for opening with his footwork)
Shafiul in for Shahadat
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November 9, 2014, 05:17 AM
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I think there will not much change in playing 11. Imrul will play in place of Shamsur. And that's my team too.
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November 9, 2014, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by rinathq
Why would you even consider dropping someone for Anamul?
Did he perform when he was in the side? No
Did he fix his problems (footwork) after he got dropped? No
Did he perform well enough to earn a recall? No
Did he even show a glimpse of what a test batsman should look like? No
In my opinion i would rather pick Nafees, Imrul and Nasir over him since they have shown at some point that they can score big. They are just inconsistent at it. I would also rather give players like Marshal, Jahirul or Hom a chance ahead of him since they didnt get enough chances and at the same time managed to make some sort of statement by performing in the domestics.
Anamul is an explosive T20 expert who can be trusted to play ODIs. Keep him away from test cricket. His flaws are significant enough to damage his chances of performing at this format
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To get the gloves off mushy and give anamul some experience to start grooming him. The only thing is nurul is probably a better choice if we want a genuine keeper who can bat. Anamul is better with the gloves than mushy but is he so much better that he should be picked instead of someone like nurul? Anamul imo should not get a look in unless it's as a keeper at this point, thing is though I doubt the selectors are likely to pick nurul or any other keeper so anamul is probably the most likely chance to get the gloves off mushy,
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November 9, 2014, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Gowza
To get the gloves off mushy and give anamul some experience to start grooming him. The only thing is nurul is probably a better choice if we want a genuine keeper who can bat. Anamul is better with the gloves than mushy but is he so much better that he should be picked instead of someone like nurul? Anamul imo should not get a look in unless it's as a keeper at this point, thing is though I doubt the selectors are likely to pick nurul or any other keeper so anamul is probably the most likely chance to get the gloves off mushy,
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To me Anamul is not special as a keeper. Don't think his gloves work is any better than Mushy.
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November 9, 2014, 06:35 AM
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To me Anamul is not special as a keeper. Don't think his gloves work is any better than Mushy.
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part of it is getting mushy up the order to make the batting stronger but you have to ask whether it's better getting nurul or anamul to take that keeper batsman spot, batting most likely at 7. For this series I'd say don't play anamul, stick with hom for the last test, mushy can still keep, but it taking the gloves off mushy needs to be seriously considered.
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November 9, 2014, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Gowza
part of it is getting mushy up the order to make the batting stronger but you have to ask whether it's better getting nurul or anamul to take that keeper batsman spot, batting most likely at 7. For this series I'd say don't play anamul, stick with hom for the last test, mushy can still keep, but it taking the gloves off mushy needs to be seriously considered.
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Getting gloves off from Mushy is a major concern. I am in favour of the decision. Best keeper of the country should take the gloves in test cricket. In that case I don't see any chance for Anamul. Nurul hasan can be a answer if he is a better keeper than Mushy.
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November 9, 2014, 12:12 PM
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Both Imrul and Anamul got special attention from Hathuri in the net session today. Also, SRK had a catch practice session with Halsall. -bdnews24
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November 9, 2014, 12:33 PM
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Mushy so far in this series hasn't really done bad with the gloves, has he?
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November 9, 2014, 12:35 PM
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People that are complaining about Anamul's technical deficiencies, besides Tamim all our other top order batsmen have technical and temperamental deficiencies as well. I know Anamul hasn't looked good so far in Tests but the likes of Jahurul, SN, Imrul, Junaid and Shamsur have all been bad in their chances in Tests as well. And look at how many chances those guys got. The way they got out most of the time was equally ugly. Anamul got only 4 Tests and that too against NZ and WI in WI and SL in SL. Not the easiest of opposition to start off with in Tests.
I know it's a different format but Anamul already has 3 centuries in ODIs which is already amongst the top for us in just 22 matches, that too against the likes of Pakistan and WI which again the other top order batsmen have failed to do in their chances. Not to mention his FC stats are much more impressive. The kids a bigger talent and Tests are the toughest format, especially for our players. So give Anamul a run and I'm sure he'll do better than our other top order batsmen
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November 9, 2014, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiger444
People that are complaining about Anamul's technical deficiencies, besides Tamim all our other top order batsmen have technical and temperamental deficiencies as well. I know Anamul hasn't looked good so far in Tests but the likes of Jahurul, SN, Imrul, Junaid and Shamsur have all been bad in their chances in Tests as well. And look at how many chances those guys got. The way they got out most of the time was equally ugly. Anamul got only 4 Tests and that too against NZ and WI in WI and SL in SL. Not the easiest of opposition to start off with in Tests.
I know it's a different format but Anamul already has 3 centuries in ODIs which is already amongst the top for us in just 22 matches, that too against the likes of Pakistan and WI which again the other top order batsmen have failed to do in their chances. Not to mention his FC stats are much more impressive. The kids a bigger talent and Tests are the toughest format, especially for our players. So give Anamul a run and I'm sure he'll do better than our other top order batsmen
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If it's only about choosing a top order batsman for replacing Shamsur I'll pick Kaedge over Anamul because KAedge scored a 115 in Chittagong in Feb 2014 vs Srl.
Anamul's stats are pathetic and doesn't give me much confidence.
A batsman averaging 9.12 (even if it is in 4 matches) is very embarrassing to watch.
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November 9, 2014, 01:09 PM
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If it's only about choosing a top order batsman for replacing Shamsur I'll pick Kaedge over Anamul because KAedge scored a 115 in Chittagong in Feb 2014 vs Srl.
Anamul's stats are pathetic and doesn't give me much confidence.
A batsman averaging 9.12 (even if it is in 4 matches) is very embarrassing to watch.
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And it's not pathetic and not embarrassing that Imrul averages a 20 in Tests after 18 Tests and 36 innings? Just 1 century and 1 half century in 36 innings. So it's 34 failures out of 36 innings. There are tailenders that average better then Imrul after this many innings.
I don't want to sound like an Imrul hater but he's gotten many chances now and he's been atrocious. Why go back to that? Anamul hasn't been impressive either but he hasn't gotten nearly the chances as Imrul, SN, or Junaid.
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November 9, 2014, 01:29 PM
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And it's not pathetic and not embarrassing that Imrul averages a 20 in Tests after 18 Tests and 36 innings? Just 1 century and 1 half century in 36 innings. So it's 34 failures out of 36 innings. There are tailenders that average better then Imrul after this many innings.
I don't want to sound like an Imrul hater but he's gotten many chances now and he's been atrocious. Why go back to that? Anamul hasn't been impressive either but he hasn't gotten nearly the chances as Imrul, SN, or Junaid.
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it's very important to pick someone based on their recent performances, now that Kaedge got a hundred in Chittagong same place where the 3rd match will take place I think it's more logical to pick him instead of picking Anamul just because he hasn't gotten enough chances as Imrul.
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it's very important to pick someone based on their recent performances, now that Kaedge got a hundred in Chittagong same place where the 3rd match will take place I think it's more logical to pick him instead of picking Anamul just because he hasn't gotten enough chances as Imrul.
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We'll have to agree to disagree then. It's not a bad point you make that Imrul should get the chance in that regard. I think it makes more sense to play a player that we haven't seen much of at the Test level than a player that's gotten more than his fair share of chances and failed a whole lot more than he's succeeded.
That said, if Imrul plays I really hope he plays well because in the end team's performance is the most important
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Spin-er ghurni and mayajal thakte pace-face er ki dorkar?
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it's very important to pick someone based on their recent performances, now that Kaedge got a hundred in Chittagong same place where the 3rd match will take place I think it's more logical to pick him instead of picking Anamul just because he hasn't gotten enough chances as Imrul.
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Bhai Imrulrey onek onek chance deoa hoisey. O prottekbar non-national team matchgulatey 100 korey. Tarpor national teamey aisha dabba marey/. No thanks.
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November 9, 2014, 02:46 PM
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Spin-er ghurni and mayajal thakte pace-face er ki dorkar?
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November 9, 2014, 03:18 PM
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And it's not pathetic and not embarrassing that Imrul averages a 20 in Tests after 18 Tests and 36 innings? Just 1 century and 1 half century in 36 innings. So it's 34 failures out of 36 innings. There are tailenders that average better then Imrul after this many innings.
I don't want to sound like an Imrul hater but he's gotten many chances now and he's been atrocious. Why go back to that? Anamul hasn't been impressive either but he hasn't gotten nearly the chances as Imrul, SN, or Junaid.
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Great point which is exactly why we should've stuck with Shamsur. He was fighting hard in the 2nd innings and he looked like he was set for some rns in Chittagong. He hasn't had as many chances as Imrul.
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it's very important to pick someone based on their recent performances, now that Kaedge got a hundred in Chittagong same place where the 3rd match will take place I think it's more logical to pick him instead of picking Anamul just because he hasn't gotten enough chances as Imrul.
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Shamsur scored a century in the same match.
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November 9, 2014, 03:43 PM
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Great point which is exactly why we should've stuck with Shamsur. He was fighting hard in the 2nd innings and he looked like he was set for some rns in Chittagong. He hasn't had as many chances as Imrul.
Shamsur scored a century in the same match.
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Even though I wouldn't support Shamsur getting a chance in the next Test but agreed I'd much rather have given a chance to Shamsur rather than Imrul again because he's gotten far less chances
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