Shakib Al Hasan vs the greatest all rounders in cricket: a brief comparision

[FagunerAgun]

Originally Posted by Aritro
I knew it was a matter of time before someone blew into this thread with this sort of post.

No one, certainly not me, is even entertaining the thought that he's going to turn out to be as great as Sobers or Imran.

All it was intended to be was a fun statistical exercise and it was one which has turned out to be pretty revealing. I certainly didn't realise his record was so evenly matched with the greats until I did, but as I said, I'm not making any hypotheses about the rest of his career that he's unlikely to live up to.

And any comparisions between the hysteria surrounding Shakib and that which surrounded Ashraful is so wide of the mark as to be unworthy of response.

I completely agree with you.
It is the bad habit with a lack of humor and civility that some one has developed some other forums.

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by Fischer
Why is it so hard for you to understand what I am trying to say ? THOSE 14 matches did not make then legends and neither will it make Shakib a legend UNLESS he shows consistency. Sreesanth has a better start than Shoaib in test matches but it does not make him any better or lesser than Shoaib UNTIL he proves over the period of years. Stats do mean a lot but twisting them for your gain is quite childish IMO.

All I said was comparing a rookie with past heroes at the earliest stage of his career is quite ludicrous. Nothing against Shakib

I will address this but first admit your wrong that this is not comparing legends whole statistical achievment vs Shakib's. No point in moving forward unless you admit what you said was wrong first. And your above post has flaws too.

[WI4EVER]

Fair Enough comparison, but those great all-rounders all got great after that, no offense to you guys, but alot of the Bangladeshis fade away. (Aftab Ahmed, Javed Omar) Mohammad Rafique was one who carried on, but struggled at the test level himself.

Recently, my fellow West Indian's were having a debate on whether Darren Sammy was better than Andrew Flintoff.

Sammy has 3 5fer's after 7 tests.

Flintoff has 3 5fer's after 77 tests.

The question you have to ask yourself is will Sammy even get to 77 tests.

[Fischer]

Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
I will address this but first admit your wrong that this is not comparing legends whole statistical achievment vs Shakib's. No point in moving forward unless you admit what you said was wrong first. And your above post has flaws too.

Originally Posted by WI4EVER
Fair Enough comparison, but those great all-rounders all got great after that, no offense to you guys, but alot of the Bangladeshis fade away. (Aftab Ahmed, Javed Omar) Mohammad Rafique was one who carried on, but struggled at the test level himself.

Recently, my fellow West Indian's were having a debate on whether Darren Sammy was better than Andrew Flintoff.

Sammy has 3 5fer's after 7 tests.

Flintoff has 3 5fer's after 77 tests.

The question you have to ask yourself is will Sammy even get to 77 tests.

THIS!

You see stats can be twisted in your direction.....quite easily

Thank you WI4ever

[Aritro]

Originally Posted by Fischer
THIS!

You see stats can be twisted in your direction.....quite easily

Thank you WI4ever

Gosh, thanks for that nugget!

[FagunerAgun]

Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
I will address this but first admit your wrong that this is not comparing legends whole statistical achievment vs Shakib's. No point in moving forward unless you admit what you said was wrong first. And your above post has flaws too.

well stated.
But the problem is someone never understands their mistake even if you put a plumbling wire (hypothetically) through their cranium, because their cranium is empty.

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by WI4EVER
Fair Enough comparison, but those great all-rounders all got great after that, no offense to you guys, but alot of the Bangladeshis fade away. (Aftab Ahmed, Javed Omar) Mohammad Rafique was one who carried on, but struggled at the test level himself.

Recently, my fellow West Indian's were having a debate on whether Darren Sammy was better than Andrew Flintoff.

Sammy has 3 5fer's after 7 tests.

Flintoff has 3 5fer's after 77 tests.

The question you have to ask yourself is will Sammy even get to 77 tests.

Sir,
You can ask any question you want to. If I ask did Sammy had a better success than Flintoff in first 7 test, the answer is a DEFINITE YEEESSSS.

We are fans, we will try to compare with the greats. And this comparison has no flaws. Now if you drag a conclusion that is where you may run in to trouble. We haven't done that. Just admiring Shakib's success so far. No one said he is better than Hadlee or Imran or Waugh. That would be foolish. Agree or disagree?

[auntu]

Great analysis Aritro bhai. I just love it.
I hope and pray Shakib will carry like these greats and seal some of the big mouths in the future. This is a very good find comparing in test cricket. What is the problem if Shakib earn this spot?

[Tigers_eye]

For those who are still confused:

Why do time to time network show run-rate comparison between two innings? No one knows how the game will end yet they compare two innings to see the parallel of two innings. This is just similar to that only not giving a projection.
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Chapabaji/golabaji ar jukti torko ek na. emon bash dimu.... amar shatey dhandabaji?

[Zeeshan]

Very interesting find and analysis Aritro. :-)

[Zeeshan]

Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
For those who are still confused:

Why do time to time network show run-rate comparison between two innings? No one knows how the game will end yet they compare two innings to see the parallel of two innings. This is just similar to that only not giving a projection.
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Chapabaji/golabaji ar jukti torko ek na. emon bash dimu.... amar shatey dhandabaji?

Tiger Eye vai aar matro chollishta post.... this time you will surely get your laurel! :p

[AsifTheManRahman]

Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
For those who are still confused:

Why do time to time network show run-rate comparison between two innings? No one knows how the game will end yet they compare two innings to see the parallel of two innings. This is just similar to that only not giving a projection.
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Chapabaji/golabaji ar jukti torko ek na. emon bash dimu.... amar shatey dhandabaji?

Shettai, faizlami naki. Tiger uncle khepche.

[nycpro96]

Good job Shakib

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by ZeeshanM
Tiger Eye vai aar matro chollishta post.... this time you will surely get your laurel! :p

You don't speak. You have not fulfilled your sentence. That picture is still up there. hello Doc!! Doc!! account # ta pm koren taratari. I don't want any stone to be unturned this time.

[Crickey]

Originally Posted by Fischer
Why is it so hard for you to understand what I am trying to say ? THOSE 14 matches did not make then legends and neither will it make Shakib a legend UNLESS he shows consistency. Sreesanth has a better start than Shoaib in test matches but it does not make him any better or lesser than Shoaib UNTIL he proves over the period of years. Stats do mean a lot but twisting them for your gain is quite childish IMO.

All I said was comparing a rookie with past heroes at the earliest stage of his career is quite ludicrous. Nothing against Shakib

u r right......... fisher u have to understand that we have been in dark for soooooo long and guys like Shakib give us hope that oneday ......... someday we WILL be top of the mountain!!! Like Kapil dev et al have done to yours......

[WarWolf]

Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
You don't speak. You have not fulfilled your sentence. That picture is still up there. hello Doc!! Doc!! account # ta pm koren taratari. I don't want any stone to be unturned this time.

Mijan bhai..you have done wonders!!! You crossed Asif's total post count.

Asif hurry up! How come a old guy (apologies ) can have such a good go???????? Catch him man!!! Catch him!!!

[Anher]

Originally Posted by WarWolf
Mijan bhai..you have done wonders!!! You crossed Asif's total post count.

Asif hurry up! How come a old guy (apologies ) can have such a good go???????? Catch him man!!! Catch him!!!

Nadim will beat Mizan bhai by a wishker.

[Dhakablues]

I wont go that far in comparing Saqib with the greats yet...Even Sachin Tendulkar was not all that great when he started out... I would just say that Saib is, at the moment, the best of his class for sure.. compare him with any 22 year old.. actually, dont bother, there isnt one that compares him today!!!!

With the matches in front of us this year, he can be ICC player of the year with his outstanding form. Want to bet? 100 Saqib dollar!!

[Aritro]

Originally Posted by Dhakablues
Even Sachin Tendulkar was not all that great when he started out... I would just say that Saib is, at the moment, the best of his class for sure.. compare him with any 22 year old.. actually, dont bother, there isnt one that compares him today!!!!

Yep, that's why the only option left is to compare him with the 22 year olds of yesterday.

[magic boy]

One and the most important thing why we call Sakib a true hero and comparing him with other legends:
*He is from Bangladesh where you may not/wont get full support from your team mates. but he is still winning by his own approaches.*

like Mohammad Rafique could do better if he gets minimum support like this BD team!!

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by magic boy
One and the most important thing why we call Sakib a true hero and comparing him with other legends:
*He is from Bangladesh where you may not/wont get full support from your team mates.*

like Mohammad Rafique could do better if he gets minimum support like this BD team!!

More than 1/3 of his tests he (Mo Rafique) could only bowl for one innings. The batsmen didnot put up enough runs for him to bowl second innings plus no other wicket taking bowlers to get the opponent out cheaply.

[magic boy]

and we have not that much beautiful actress like pretty jinta,shilpa shetty,Deepika Padukone too boost up our heroes in leisure time or even for some pleasure being the goat of romantic rumour

amader polapain boroi hotovaga....tar poro ek ekta "LEGEND"

[Zeeshan]

Aritro,

Could you please find out how many times Shakib has got man of the match awards versus them?

[bharat]

Sakib seems to be the "promised one" ..Ash and Mash promised but failed to deliver ..but Sakib seems to be different from the rest !

His bowling will only improve with time , needs to tighten his batting though.Good luck to the future superstar of cricket !

[wiseshah]

if you compare current players, he is definitely among the top 5, no doubt about it.