Former strike bowler Shanto shows new potential - Page 2

Tigers_eye · #26 February 27, 2006, 11:17 AM

Shanto became oshanto, good to see that. thank you TheWatcher bhai and pagol-chagol bhai for the stats.

I'd take him over Taposh.

An observation: Most bowlers can come into test and perform if they have potential (who don't have experience and stats to back them up).

Batsmen can not do that. They have to have experience and patience before then can make a mark. Therefore, Faisal and Ehsanul are much better now than when they made their debut for the national team. If they can be included in the A team that would be the best thing. Instead of looking for an average 20 year old to bat against the likes of Murali, Warne, Flintoff etc.

tarifmahmud · #27 February 27, 2006, 12:09 PM

Hi guys.....
its me again..who brought Shanto issue in here for bringing back to the national team......But sorry guys this time its not me....
I think they guy who has brought this issue now has some sense of urgency and logical thinking.....
At the moment our pace attack is struggling with injuries and performance even though we have got some new talents...but dont u think we need an experience campaigner who has returned back to his form...who else than Shanto....
I dont want to say more about it....as last time some ppl make fun of my post.

Yes, I am his one of close friends..may be thats why i have an special corner for him....but as a BD cricket pagol I think selectors can at least start thinking about him to bring him back through some proper steps as some ppl suggested give him chance in A team or with Kenya......
Yes he is over 6 feet. (k jeno jante cheyechilo)

amara shobai amader team er bhalo chai

TheWatcher · #28 February 27, 2006, 12:13 PM

Question for Mahmud Bhai, is Shanto really 28 years of age or older than that?

pagol-chagol · #29 February 27, 2006, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by TheWatcher
Question for Mahmud Bhai, is Shanto really 28 years of age or older than that?

Absolutely no way. He is between 30 and 33. Since he didn't take care of his body well, it will be a little bit more in practical age.

tarifmahmud · #30 February 27, 2006, 12:23 PM

he is around 30 not more than that....ar janen to amra bangalira shobai e boyosh ektu kom beshi churi kori....

Mon · #31 February 27, 2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by Mon
Fast bowler Hasibul Hossain Shanto is having a terrific time in the National Cricket League. His current stats are relatively better than Taposh, Talha, and Rajib. It was not so long ago when he was our main strike bowler. Due the fact that we need a 3rd pacer, I think it will be a wonderful idea to give Shanto a chance to play in the test team.

Given shanto’s recent performance, it’s very hard to disregard him.

... vai kisu mone koiren na... apni ki ashole Hasibul Hossain Shanto ?

na bai. Ami apnar motho cricket pagol who wants to see the best of our BD team.

It's very nice to see some constructive dialogues regarding this issue. Perhaps it is a better 'compromise' against our agonistic culture where we dismiss an issue without even disucssing it!

TheWatcher · #32 February 27, 2006, 01:42 PM

Shanto missed his fifth fifer in the league. His figure in the last innings-

O/M/R/W- 21 10 26 4

Did not give a single extra

Whether he deserves a call in any national squad at this point is debatable, but his performances sure deserve applauds.

pagol-chagol · #33 February 27, 2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by TheWatcher
Shanto missed his fifth fifer in the league. His figure in the last innings-

O/M/R/W- 21 10 26 4

Did not give a single extra

Whether he deserves a call in any national squad at this point is debatable, but his performances sure deserve applauds.

Damn, that would've been 4th fifer in a row. I don't think any BD bowler has ever done that. Also 26 runs in 21 overs? The batsmen probably went into ultra defensive mode playing against him. What happened to him? It'll be hard to stop him if he keeps playing like this.

tarifmahmud · #34 February 27, 2006, 02:07 PM

greaaaaaaat

billah · #35 February 27, 2006, 02:12 PM

"Wayward Delivery" Shanto must not be allowed to play the national side. Presently it may just be the viagra or something, but remember, he is not playing against our national players right now. Besides, his line was bad even when he was in top form. Against even Ashraful, he will be flayed all over the park.

Shanto helped us winning ICC trophy, thanks Shanto bhai. We are at a different stage now. We should be looking forward to our present U-19 playing in the 2011 WC final or something, not for a possible Shanto comeback...

*reverse_swing* · #36 February 27, 2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by billah
"Wayward Delivery" Shanto must not be allowed to play the national side. Presently it may just be the viagra or something, but remember, he is not playing against our national players right now. Besides, his line was bad even when he was in top form. Against even Ashraful, he will be flayed all over the park.

Shanto helped us winning ICC trophy, thanks Shanto bhai. We are at a different stage now. We should be looking forward to our present U-19 playing in the 2011 WC final or something, not for a possible Shanto comeback...

Well said Billah Bhai and this should be the end of the story.

TheWatcher · #37 February 27, 2006, 02:42 PM

Billah Bhai, probably you didn't notice my posts where I pointed out that Shanto is giving away very few extras nowadays and most of his wickets are either bowled, caught behind, or lbw- a clear indication that he has tightened up his bowling by a huge margin.

But the questions is how much pace he lost to achieve this new dimension

Tigers_eye · #38 February 27, 2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by TheWatcher
But the questions is how much pace he lost to achieve this new dimension

Does it matter. As long as he is getting wickets I don't care. Rasel's pace is not that good. Masud stands right next to the wicket. line & length should compensate the lost pace.

sadi · #39 February 27, 2006, 02:57 PM

I dunno why ppl are so against Shanto... do we have any McGrath or Lee bowling for Bangladesh right now? I don't think so... and if he can be a better option than Tapash or Nazmul.. why not? The only question is how much importance should we give to domestic cricket? Is he getting wickets against some oga-moga batsman or he is really turning corners here? Thats upto the selectors to find out... but if he has really improved, he should definately get a chance somewhere.... he is only 30... he atleast has couple of years ahead of him.....

rudro · #40 February 27, 2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by billah
"Wayward Delivery" Shanto must not be allowed to play the national side. Presently it may just be the viagra or something, but remember, he is not playing against our national players right now. Besides, his line was bad even when he was in top form. Against even Ashraful, he will be flayed all over the park.

Shanto helped us winning ICC trophy, thanks Shanto bhai. We are at a different stage now. We should be looking forward to our present U-19 playing in the 2011 WC final or something, not for a possible Shanto comeback...

I agree with Billah about targeting 2011 WC and making present under 19's ready for that. However, WC matches are not test matches and hence letting one or two players like Shanto in one or two series (while we rest our key bowlers) in no way jeoperdises our chances in 2011.

pagol-chagol · #41 February 27, 2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by sadi
I dunno why ppl are so against Shanto... do we have any McGrath or Lee bowling for Bangladesh right now? I don't think so... and if he can be a better option than Tapash or Nazmul.. why not? The only question is how much importance should we give to domestic cricket? Is he getting wickets against some oga-moga batsman or he is really turning corners here? Thats upto the selectors to find out... but if he has really improved, he should definately get a chance somewhere.... he is only 30... he atleast has couple of years ahead of him.....

Most people dislike him for his control problems. Speed was always his strength. If he has finally learnt to control his line and length he may have become a dagerous bowler and the reason for complain may have evaporated.

Leave no stones unturned.

pagol-chagol · #42 February 27, 2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally posted by rudro

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Originally posted by billah
"Wayward Delivery" Shanto must not be allowed to play the national side. Presently it may just be the viagra or something, but remember, he is not playing against our national players right now. Besides, his line was bad even when he was in top form. Against even Ashraful, he will be flayed all over the park.

Shanto helped us winning ICC trophy, thanks Shanto bhai. We are at a different stage now. We should be looking forward to our present U-19 playing in the 2011 WC final or something, not for a possible Shanto comeback...

I agree with Billah about targeting 2011 WC and making present under 19's ready for that. However, WC matches are not test matches and hence letting one or two players like Shanto in one or two series (while we rest our key bowlers) in no way jeoperdises our chances in 2011.

There was no pacer in the u-19 who was that promising.

Shanto is not getting picked before Shahadat and russel .

He is fighting not agains Mashrafee.

He is not fighting against Mushfiqur Rahim or Saqib.

He is positioning himself to be the third pacer fighting against Taposh, Nazmul, Sharif, Alamgir Kobir, Gazi Alomgir, Mushfiqur Rahman, Chacha etc.

Judging from his recent performances Shanto should come ahead of these mediocre bunch.

billah · #43 February 27, 2006, 03:23 PM

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Originally posted by pagol-chagol
He is positioning himself to be the third pacer fighting against Taposh, Nazmul, Sharif, Alamgir Kobir, Gazi Alomgir, Mushfiqur Rahman, Chacha etc.

Now, this is just pathetic, isn't it, pagol miah? Where are the nine new quickies from the pacer hunt? You've just snuffed the uphoria right out of me...

Tigers_eye · #44 February 27, 2006, 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by pagol-chagol
There was no pacer in the u-19 who was that promising.

Shanto is not getting picked before Shahadat and russel .

He is fighting not agains Mashrafee.

He is not fighting against Mushfiqur Rahim or Saqib.

He is positioning himself to be the third pacer fighting against Taposh, Nazmul, Sharif, Alamgir Kobir, Gazi Alomgir, Mushfiqur Rahman, Chacha etc.

Judging from his recent performances Shanto should come ahead of these mediocre bunch.

Very well said. We don't have a 3rd pacer. Nazmul may have the potential but still vastly inexperienced. Travelling outside the continent (would require to have 4 pacers) demands we nurture some of these quicks. Shahadat should get a call.

TheWatcher · #45 February 27, 2006, 03:35 PM

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But the questions is how much pace he lost to achieve this new dimension

Does it matter.

I think it does, if he turned out to be another nagging medium pacer like Chacha (remind you, he too gets fifers in our NCL), don't see any place for him in any national squad.

At 30+ years age, his fitness level won't be that good to get him into the ODI squad (he is already infamous for dropping catches). His recent performances in list-A matches won't help him out there either. So, only chance he has is coming into the Test squad as the third seamer, and here he will need to bowl at 80+ mph.

About Rasel, imo, he sure does need to get quicker to be a successful Test bowler too.

pagol-chagol · #46 February 27, 2006, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by billah

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Originally posted by pagol-chagol
He is positioning himself to be the third pacer fighting against Taposh, Nazmul, Sharif, Alamgir Kobir, Gazi Alomgir, Mushfiqur Rahman, Chacha etc.

Now, this is just pathetic, isn't it, pagol miah? Where are the nine new quickies from the pacer hunt? You've just snuffed the uphoria right out of me...

Thats just the reality. (Don't buy too many lottery tickets)

Did you think those nine pacer hunt kids would suddenly take care of all your pains?

You know even Pakistan's Asif had to climb uphill for a long time before this series.

sadi · #47 February 27, 2006, 04:05 PM

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There was no pacer in the u-19 who was that promising.

Shanto is not getting picked before Shahadat and russel .

He is fighting not agains Mashrafee.

He is not fighting against Mushfiqur Rahim or Saqib.

He is positioning himself to be the third pacer fighting against Taposh, Nazmul, Sharif, Alamgir Kobir, Gazi Alomgir, Mushfiqur Rahman, Chacha etc.

Judging from his recent performances Shanto should come ahead of these mediocre bunch.

Yep thats the point... just like I said before... if he is really doing good, he definately deserves another chance..... When Mashrafee comes back, I don't see him playing but right now, definately he should've been in the squad...

Tigers_eye · #48 February 27, 2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by TheWatcher
I think it does, if he turned out to be another nagging medium pacer like Chacha (remind you, he too gets fifers in our NCL), don't see any place for him in any national squad.

We haven't seen such consistency in our league even when Wasim Akram played. So Shanto is no Chacha.

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At 30+ years age, his fitness level won't be that good to get him into the ODI squad (he is already infamous for dropping catches). His recent performances in list-A matches won't help him out there either. So, only chance he has is coming into the Test squad as the third seamer, and here he will need to bowl at 80+ mph.

About Rasel, imo, he sure does need to get quicker to be a successful Test bowler too.

Not all has to have speed in order to be successful. Sir Richard Hadlee in his later age is a perfect example. Mota mia Botham another. But I agree with you, we all would love to see Rasel get his speed up a bit.

Ockey · #49 February 27, 2006, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by billah
"Wayward Delivery" Shanto must not be allowed to play the national side. Presently it may just be the viagra or something, but remember, he is not playing against our national players right now. Besides, his line was bad even when he was in top form. Against even Ashraful, he will be flayed all over the park.

Shanto helped us winning ICC trophy, thanks Shanto bhai. We are at a different stage now. We should be looking forward to our present U-19 playing in the 2011 WC final or something, not for a possible Shanto comeback...

Performance in the domestic cricket league should be the no. one determining factor in decideing whether a cricketer gets selected or not for the national team, not age or any other criteria. Of course there will be disparity between the domestic league and international cricket. And our domestic cricket league may not be the best out there but it should be the first pool from which a national selector picks players from. And like most things in life, past poor performance shouldn't automatically disqualify a player from getting back into the team if he has recently performed well.

The whole purpose of sports, besides entertainment, is to build camaraderie and team spirit among players and fans. It also teaches us to compete under a set of rules so all parties playing the game are judged fairly. So to be fair to the all the players in the domestic league, the national selectors should spell out what criteria they use to select players to play for the national team. If performance in the domestic league isn't an indicator of a player's talent and maturity then I would really like to know what other indicators are being used. I refuse to accept the theory that age should trump performance.

I believe Bangladesh should adopt the recruiting strategy that's used by some of the Western countries where recruitment starts at a very early age. It basically involves a hierarchy. Those who perform well in middle school get to play, as they grow older, for their high school team. Those who do well in high school get recruited by the best colleges (through athletic scholarships) to play in the varsity teams. Those who play well in varsity teams get recruited by the domestic and international leagues. And finally, the best players from the domestic and international leagues get to play in the national team. This hierarchy creates a safety net for athletes ensuring that athletes at the very least get a good education even if they are unable to compete at the next level. Schools and universities also win because of the sponsorship deals, ticket and merchandise sales. The hierarchy also reduces the need for youth recruitment camps to search for the best talent out there - a strategy that BCB has followed every year - because the best talents will automatically funnel through the system. Sorry to deviate. But just wanted to offer a better solution.

Edited on, February 27, 2006, 9:33 PM GMT, by Ockey.

TheWatcher · #50 February 27, 2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by Cats_eye

Not all has to have speed in order to be successful. Sir Richard Hadlee in his later age is a perfect example. Mota mia Botham another.

Now that's too much Cats_eye, bringing Hadlee and Botham in this discussion. In terms of controlling the ball, Shanto probably won't even come close to Rasel. As far I can remember, Shanto could only produce outswingers. May be he added some slower deliveries to his armory now, but don't think he has suddenly become a great mover of the ball.

But I guess saying Shanto may have gone down to Chacha speed doesn't make sense either. It is really bugging me what has suddenly changed for him, in the last Dhaka premier league, he got beaten even in matches against Indira and Agrani; in the last round match against Victoria, he gave 51 runs in 4 overs without taking a single wicket (he was playing for Old DHOS in the league).

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