Shahbag Projonmo Chattor

[zsayeed]

Originally Posted by Zunaid
Aye - old man typo.

^Now you have to do me a favor and find out why the rajakar is lobbying senate. ^^

PS : You are just two years senior to me. - don't take me with you.

[zsayeed]

Daily Star

Strategy lessons from Shahbagh

Responsiveness and adaptability

Keeping dogged focus on a single topic

[BANFAN]

How Many People Died in 71? A rough estimate:

http://en.sachalayatan.com/node/48186

[Naimul_Hd]

This should ease up the anger of other Islamic groups than the violent and vicious Jamat, Shibir !

‘Only Jamaat will be banned’

The Awami League-led government had no plans to ban all religion-based political parties, its Presidium Member Sheikh Fazlul Karim Selim said on Sunday.

He told Parliament, “We will take measures against Jamaat-e-Islami. Those who still defy existence of Bangladesh, who don’t believe in three million martyrs, a process to ban them is underway. They will be banned.”

The call to ban Jamaat-e-Islami, which opposed Bangladesh’s independence from Pakistan in 1971, has become intense during the ongoing movement at Shahbagh, which initially had begun early this month demanding death penalty for all convicted war criminals.

Referring to the violence caused by Jamaat and its student affiliate Islami Chhatra Shibir, he said, “The party is using Islam to carry out terrorism and militant activities.”

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[Naimul_Hd]

Bit off-topic but relevant in this context !

Kader draws flak from sibling

Jute Minister Abdul Latif Siddiqui castigated his younger brother Kader Siddiqui for ‘siding with war criminals’ in the light of his (Kader) recent comments that waged a controversy among politicians and the general public.

The Minister could not help but vent his anger at the Parliament session on Sunday in the following a series of comments made by his younger brother, particularly in talk-shows telecast by Diganta Television, an organisation owned by supporters of Jamaat-e-Islami, the party International Crimes Tribunal found to be involved in crimes against humanity during Bangladesh’s Independence War.

Kader, throughout his life since 1971, was lauded as the bravest freedom fighter, popularly called ‘Bangabir’ (The hero of Bengal). He did not miss a single opportunity to claim the credit and had been an influential political figure in the pro-Independence party Awami League.

“Shame on you (Kader), you ought to be ashamed,” said an angry Latif.

Latif refrained from calling his brother ‘Bangabir’ while mentioning that Kader had taken part in 1971 war ‘for saving his own life’.

The minister said his brother is at his wits end as he is taking part in programmes aired by Diganta Television.

Kader hosts a talk-show named ‘Sobar Upore Desh’ (Country is above all) in Diganta TV.

Kader, the President of Krishak Shramik Janata League, told a discussion
programme at the Dhaka Reporters Unity that Amar Desh’s Acting Editor Mahmudur Rahman should be given Noble prize for publishing the alleged conversation between the ICT judge Nizamul Hoque and an international legal expert through Skype.

Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman liked Kader very much for his wartime valour. Kader lead an armed resistance after Bangabandhu and his most family members were assassinated on Aug 15, 1975.

He, however, failed to put up the fight for long and took shelter in neighbouring India. He returned to Bangladesh in Dec, 1990.

Kader joined Awami League only to be expelled some years later. Kader floated a new party Krishak Shramik Janata League on his expulsion.

During his speech, Latif, without mentioning his brother’s name, said he had called himself the fourth son of Bangabandhu after joining the Independence War. “And that son of Bangbandhu now goes to Diganata TV and writes for Diganta newspaper, another media outlet allegedly owned by those financing Jamaat”.

“People have rejected him (Kader).”

“He has been renamed ‘new-Razakar’ by the young generation from the Prajanma Chattar. He has lost all his senses. He (Kader) said if he was a Razakar, Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman had been his Commander. Shame on you for your arrogance,” the minister added.

Latif continued with his speech that seems to have resembled the views of tens of thousands of pro-Independence people who were left shell-shocked by the comments Kader was making before media lately.

“I declare in Parliament that he had participated in the Independence War for saving his own life, not for the ideology of Bangabandhu or for the liberation of the countrymen. The arms you had taken up in 1975 were not for putting up a resistance, but for saving your life. Shame on you, shame on you.”

The Ganajagaran Mancha recently dubbed Kader ‘Nobyo Razakar’ (New collaborator) for what his ‘objectionable’ comments in the Diganta TV talk-shows and various discussions.

The protesters at Shahbagh threatened to strip him of the ‘Bangabir’ title if Kader did not seek an apology for his recent comments.

Latif also criticised BNP and its Chairperson Khaleda Zia in his speech.

“She went silent the moment the youth of the country rose. And then she left for Singapure in the name of treatment. It is part of a conspiracy,” Latif added.

Okay, before BANFAN bhai jump on me, i should say this is his own brother's statement which is echoed by thousands of today's people. Everyone loved him for his bravery in 71 but his recent activities are highly questionable and go against the value that he served in 71.

[PoorFan]

Cut those crap, and put forward whatever precious contribution you intend to offer here in BC. Back up your claim that "people didnt espoused secularism in '71" with/by/through historical events and reasoning.

Originally Posted by Matribhasha
And again you have showed up from nowhere. Like before, this is not directed to you. So stay away L.

Seems like all my comments provoke you and only you. If my comments are so unacceptable, the other 2 gents have shown enough restraint not to respond. You on the other hand..is abusive and trying hard to undermine my participation here, however limited it may be, and however unacceptable it might be.

Now, don't draw other Ls to my comments with your kind of tone. Learn to live with it or leave it alone.

[Banglatiger84]

What exactly was Kader Siddiqui's "crime" ? Do his haters hate him for the same old partisan reasons, or did he actually do/say things against Bangladesh ?

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by Banglatiger84
What exactly was Kader Siddiqui's "crime" ? Do his haters hate him for the same old partisan reasons, or did he actually do/say things against Bangladesh ?

Awami politics....

[Kana-Baba]

Originally Posted by Banglatiger84
What exactly was Kader Siddiqui's "crime" ? Do his haters hate him for the same old partisan reasons, or did he actually do/say things against Bangladesh ?

It's a long history. But in a nutshel, the allegation against him is that he took money from jamat and started to utter nonsense statement in Diganata TV which is own by Mir Kashem, one of the top jamat leader in 71.

[Electrequiem]

Kader Siddiki is also a war criminal, if murdering Bihari POWs and civilians count as war crimes.

[zsayeed]

গণজাগরণ মঞ্চের আন্দোলন ফেব্রুয়ারি মধ্যে শেষ করার হুমকি দিয়েছে হেফাজতে ইসলাম বাংলাদেশ।

সংগঠনের মহাসচিব জোনায়েদ বাবুনগরী বলেন, “শাহবাগে যে আন্দোলন চলছে, তা আগামী ২৮ ফেব্রুয়ারির মধ্যে সরকারকে বন্ধ করতে হবে। তা না হলে এদেশে আগুন জ্বলবে।

“আমাদের দাবি আদায় না হওয়া পর্যন্ত আমরা রাজপথ ছাড়ব না। আন্দোলন-কর্মসূচির মধ্যে জেহাদ ও বঙ্গভবন ঘেরাও করা হবে।”

“আমাদের দাবি আদায় না হওয়া পর্যন্ত আমরা রাজপথ ছাড়ব না। আন্দোলন-কর্মসূচির মধ্যে জেহাদ ও বঙ্গভবন ঘেরাও করা হবে।”

[zsayeed]

Something has been bothering me since I saw this video of a cop shooting a cornered protester (my guess - from the posters comment and the climate) when he was on the ground surrounded by two cops.

It has also bothered me that one of the bloggers commented that - how the poster of the video knows that he was innocent before the event occurred.

Shahbag has been non-violent. But police to be judge and jury like that is making me sick. I don't know where it happened - but I presume it happened within the last 36 hours. I don't know what that guy did before the shooting - if he had been a hard-core bomb wielding protester - if he had committed a 100 murders. Brutality like that is wrong.

I support Shahbag - but I cannot support this type of brutality by the police - no matter who the guy caught is. I have to say it - because it is making me sick.

[Banglatiger84]

Originally Posted by zsayeed
Something has been bothering me since I saw this video of a cop shooting a cornered protester (my guess - from the posters comment and the climate) when he was on the ground surrounded by two cops.
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I have already seen claims that it was all a fabrication, yes sure....

[zsayeed]

BDNews24: ‘Nurani Chapa’ not Rajib’s

It is still circumstantial - it is the proverbial dilemma that to prove an existence need formalism - but to prove non-existence one counter example suffices.

All that needs to be done is for wordpress owners to tell BTRC who opened it, when, from what IP address. But that may be mired in a different level of internet politics.

PS : News was reported today - so I brought it up.

[Abu Ayyub]

[Abu Ayyub]

“The government is provoking terrorism and militancy through the fascists in Shahbagh. What the Shahbagh demonstrators are doing with sub-judice (war crimes) cases is an act of contempt against an independent judicial system.”

[Fazal]

Originally Posted by Abu Ayyub

May be or may be not. its other knowlegable members to prove.

But based on his phone-sex conversation with his girlfriend (which you will find it in facebook) in wiretap raises the other question: does he really follow himself what he preaches others.

I cannot validate if its made up (conversation) or not, but they claimed real money if anyone prove them wrong.

Now I am not sure I am allowed to post the link or not. If allowed I can post the link. I am hesitent to post the link as there are some conversations with his girlfriend decribes some situations that can be R rated or beyond.

[Abu Ayyub]

Originally Posted by Fazal
May be or may be not. its other knowlegable members to prove.

But based on his phone-sex conversation with his girlfriend (which you will find it in facebook) in wiretap raises the other question: does he really follow himself what he preaches others.

I cannot validate if its made up (conversation) or not, but they claimed real money if anyone prove them wrong.

Now I am not sure I am allowed to post the link or not. If allowed I can post the link. I am hesitent to post the link as there are some conversations with his girlfriend decribes some situations that can be R rated or beyond.

Lol! That's definetly not him, its not his voice. The stuff people do in order defame a person's character is just unbelievable, reminds me of the Syrian government's so-called 'scandal' of one of the commanders of the Free Syrian Army online conversation with a 'female news reporter'. Typical tactics. And may I also remind you his age...71.

[Fazal]

Originally Posted by Abu Ayyub
Lol! That's definetly not him, its not his voice. The stuff people do in order defame a person's character is just unbelievable, reminds me of the Syrian government's so-called 'scandal' of one of the commanders of the Free Syrian Army online conversation with a 'female news reporter'. Typical tactics. And may I also remind you his age...71.

Then you have a good chance to make some quick money then. Go for it, prove them wrong and earn some quick money.


About age 71. lust have no boundaries. have you ever heard of Viagra?

[Electrequiem]

Originally Posted by Abu Ayyub
Lol! That's definetly not him, its not his voice. The stuff people do in order defame a person's character is just unbelievable, reminds me of the Syrian government's so-called 'scandal' of one of the commanders of the Free Syrian Army online conversation with a 'female news reporter'. Typical tactics. And may I also remind you his age...71.

Cognitive dissonance alert.

[Abu Ayyub]

Originally Posted by Fazal
Then you have a good chance to make some quick money then. Go for it, prove them wrong and earn some quick money.


About age 71. lust have no boundaries. have you ever heard of Viagra?

Yes I have. Abdullah of Saudi Arabia uses it, according to WikiLeaks. Normally I would assume elderly people in Bangladesh would marry more than once instead of referring to other sources.

[cricket_pagol]

Originally Posted by Zunaid
This was by the same David Bergen whom we discussed earlier on in this thread.

Unfortunately, David Bergman is labelled as anti-war crime these days... The politics in Bangladesh is reprehensible.

[Fazal]

Originally Posted by Abu Ayyub
. Normally I would assume elderly people in Bangladesh would marry more than once instead of referring to other sources.

Don't know about Pakistan, but In bangladesh you need your existing wife's permission to marry 2nd or 3rd wife. If those wire traps are real conversation (between him and his complaining wife), then that may explain why that may not be possible for Mr Sayedee.

Plus comming back to "lust' factor again. Some people may find "extra maritial' affair" more interesting than multiplying their problem by marrying one more time and keeping mutiple wifes. Lfie can be pretty miserable dealing with mutiple wifes complaining from both ends. Assuming that the wire trap was true, if he would ask his wife the same thing (what he asked to his girlfriend), his wife would chase him with a jharu nad he would run for his life.

In top of that, you may also heard about "Buro Boyeshe Bhimroti", that's when some elderly man makes mistakes of their lives.

[zsayeed]

Originally Posted by cricket_pagol
Unfortunately, David Bergman is labelled as anti-war crime these days... The politics in Bangladesh is reprehensible.

Yes it is - and that maybe one reason David fell for the Digonto TV report on the Bali kidnapping.

Hard for an outsider to understand BD winds.

BTW, Mir Quasem has a lot to gain.

[zsayeed]

A good Q&A session from The Hindu