Bangladesh ICL players are overrated

[wiseshah]

i think ICl players are overrated. some people think, they have done something extraordinary there. except kapali, i think rest are below average.

check their batting stats.. this is list of top 20 players

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
Imran Nazir	12	12	3	392	111*	43.55	223	175.78	1	1	0	36	31
(Lahore Badshahs)
HJH Marshall	9	9	2	345	80*	49.28	240	143.75	0	4	0	36	13
(Royal Bengal Tigers)
Imran Farhat	12	12	0	326	67	27.16	244	133.60	0	2	1	36	15
(Lahore Badshahs)
Alok Kapali	8	8	2	324	100	54.00	212	152.83	1	1	0	29	18
(Dhaka Warriors)
R Sathish	9	9	3	287	76*	47.83	185	155.13	0	2	0	28	12
(Chennai Superstars)
Abdul Razzaq	12	12	0	276	69	23.00	233	118.45	0	2	1	25	11
(Hyderabad Heroes)
MW Goodwin	8	7	1	270	61*	45.00	201	134.32	0	4	0	29	9
(Ahmedabad Rockets)
JP Maher	11	11	1	268	56	26.80	239	112.13	0	1	0	40	2
(Hyderabad Heroes)
G Vignesh	9	9	0	262	88	29.11	177	148.02	0	1	0	31	9
(Chennai Superstars)
N Boje	12	9	2	258	88	36.85	201	128.35	0	1	0	25	8
(Hyderabad Heroes)
STR Binny	12	10	0	258	51	25.80	165	156.36	0	1	0	25	13
(Hyderabad Heroes)
Shahriar Nafees	8	8	1	239	73*	34.14	208	114.90	0	2	1	38	2
(Dhaka Warriors)
RJ Campbell	8	8	2	237	92*	39.50	148	160.13	0	2	1	30	10
(Ahmedabad Rockets)
D Dasgupta	9	9	1	233	80*	29.12	204	114.21	0	2	0	23	5
(Royal Bengal Tigers)
I Khaleel	12	7	4	219	54*	73.00	162	135.18	0	1	0	27	3
(Hyderabad Heroes)
TP Singh	8	8	1	219	74*	31.28	157	139.49	0	2	1	30	5
(Chandigarh Lions)
DS Jadhav	6	6	0	215	59	35.83	179	120.11	0	2	0	26	0
(Mumbai Champs)
S Abbas Ali	8	8	0	212	53	26.50	171	123.97	0	2	0	23	5
(Delhi Giants)
AT Rayudu	12	12	2	212	58	21.20	178	119.10	0	1	0	18	10

[wiseshah]

bowling top 15

Most wickets

Player	Mat	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
Naved-ul-Hasan	11	42.1	0	281	22	4/26	12.77	6.66	11.5	1	0
(Lahore Badshahs)
Saqlain Mushtaq	12	48.0	0	338	17	3/26	19.88	7.04	16.9	0	0
(Lahore Badshahs)
N Boje	12	43.0	0	259	16	3/20	16.18	6.02	16.1	0	0
(Hyderabad Heroes)
PIS Reddy	12	35.4	0	270	15	3/22	18.00	7.57	14.2	0	0
(Hyderabad Heroes)
UDU Chandana	9	28.4	0	232	14	4/21	16.57	8.09	12.2	2	0
(Royal Bengal Tigers)
Mohammad Rafique	8	30.2	0	241	14	3/28	17.21	7.94	13.0	0	0
(Dhaka Warriors)
CZ Harris	12	38.1	0	244	13	3/18	18.76	6.39	17.6	0	0
(Hyderabad Heroes)
Shahid Nazir	11	40.0	1	279	13	3/29	21.46	6.97	18.4	0	0
(Lahore Badshahs)
Eklak Ahmid	8	26.5	0	182	12	3/20	15.16	6.78	13.4	0	0
(Royal Bengal Tigers)
AG Murtaza	8	31.0	0	196	12	4/7	16.33	6.32	15.5	1	0
(Delhi Giants)
Shabbir Ahmed	7	27.5	0	229	12	3/20	19.08	8.22	13.9	0	0
(Chennai Superstars)
Abdul Razzaq	12	43.3	1	316	12	3/28	26.33	7.26	21.7	0	0
(Hyderabad Heroes)
JN Gillespie	8	25.0	2	157	11	3/29	14.27	6.28	13.6	0	0
(Ahmedabad Rockets)
R Jesuraj	9	35.0	0	225	11	2/13	20.45	6.42	19.0	0	0
(Chennai Superstars)
Mosharraf Hossain	8	31.5	0	192	10	2/17	19.20	6.03	19.1	0	0

[wiseshah]

most batsman are not even top 40 list. same goes with bowlers.

total team performanceut of 9 team, we are number 5
Points Table

Teams	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	N/R	Pts	Net RR
ICL Hyd	8	6	2	0	0	12	+0.993
Lahore	8	5	3	0	0	10	+0.833
Chennai	8	5	3	0	0	10	+0.819
Bengal	8	5	3	0	0	10	-0.274
Dhaka	8	4	4	0	0	8	+0.206
Delhi Giants	8	3	4	1	0	8	-0.836
Ahmedabad	8	3	5	0	0	6	+0.269
Chandigarh	8	3	4	1	0	6	-0.477
ICL Mumbai	8	1	7	0	0	2	-1.349

[wiseshah]

DWarrior's batting average

Dhaka Warriors batting averages

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
Alok Kapali	8	8	2	324	100	54.00	212	152.83	1	1	0	29	18
Shahriar Nafees	8	8	1	239	73*	34.14	208	114.90	0	2	1	38	2
Aftab Ahmed	8	8	0	185	61	23.12	132	140.15	0	1	0	21	9
Nazimuddin	8	8	0	173	54	21.62	141	122.69	0	1	0	14	11
Habibul Bashar	8	7	3	73	28*	18.25	72	101.38	0	0	0	4	2
Mahbubul Karim	7	5	1	68	45*	17.00	51	133.33	0	0	0	6	4
Dhiman Ghosh	8	7	3	67	21*	16.75	68	98.52	0	0	0	8	0
Farhad Reza	4	3	1	16	12	8.00	22	72.72	0	0	1	1	0
Mohammad Rafique	8	5	1	29	17*	7.25	25	116.00	0	0	2	2	1
Mohammad Sharif	7	2	2	9	8*	-	11	81.81	0	0	0	1	0
Mosharraf Hossain	8	1	1	2	2*	-	2	100.00	0	0	0	0	0
Manjural Islam	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Tapash Baisya	5	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

[wiseshah]

DW's bowling average:

Dhaka Warriors bowling averages

Player	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5	Ct	St
Mosharraf Hossain	8	8	31.5	0	192	10	2/17	19.20	6.03	19.1	0	0	1	0
Alok Kapali	8	8	26.0	0	174	5	1/4	34.80	6.69	31.2	0	0	1	0
Mohammad Rafique	8	8	30.2	0	241	14	3/28	17.21	7.94	13.0	0	0	1	0
Farhad Reza	4	4	14.4	0	118	1	1/47	118.00	8.04	88.0	0	0	0	0
Aftab Ahmed	8	3	5.1	0	43	1	1/24	43.00	8.32	31.0	0	0	0	0
Tapash Baisya	5	5	16.0	0	152	6	2/25	25.33	9.50	16.0	0	0	0	0
Mohammad Sharif	7	7	24.1	0	230	7	2/18	32.85	9.51	20.7	0	0	3	0
Manjural Islam	1	1	3.0	0	38	0	-	-	12.66	-	0	0	0	0

[wiseshah]

look at beadab dhiman's record;

Most dismissals

Player	Mat	Inns	Dis	Ct	St	Max Dis Inns	Dis/Inn
D Dasgupta	9	9	11	4	7	3 (1ct 2st)	1.222
(Royal Bengal Tigers)
Khalid Mahmood	11	11	11	8	3	2 (2ct 0st)	1.000
(Lahore Badshahs)
I Khaleel	12	12	10	4	6	2 (1ct 1st)	0.833
(Hyderabad Heroes)
PA Nixon	8	8	8	6	2	3 (3ct 0st)	1.000
(Delhi Giants)
RJ Campbell	8	8	7	5	2	2 (2ct 0st)	0.875
(Ahmedabad Rockets)
Dhiman Ghosh	8	8	6	4	2	1 (1ct 0st)	0.750
(Dhaka Warriors)
Sarabjit Singh	8	8	5	3	2	2 (1ct 1st)	0.625
(Chandigarh Lions)
Subhojit Paul	8	8	5	4	1	2 (1ct 1st)	0.625
(Mumbai Champs)
C Hemanth Kumar	8	8	4	4	0	1 (1ct 0st)	0.500
(Chennai Superstars)
Humayun Farhat	2	1	2	2	0	2 (2ct 0st)	2.000
(Lahore Badshahs)
VC Naidu	1	1	0	0	0	0	0.000

not even top 5, and he claims he has given enough to bangladesh

[wiseshah]

only their performance should bring them back to National team, nothing else. they should be tried out in A team , if performance is satisfactory, then can be considered.

[Fazal]

ICL is a T20 tournament, Its kind of silly to make a case for ODI or TEST comparing T20 performance.

Just because 'Beyadob" Dhiman didn't do any good in ICL or yet to impress some in the national team doesn't mean it should be the end of his young promising career. Its still too early to discount him. Like Riyad did against all odds, like Dollar did (atleast one game) against all neagtive image, we shouldn't discount these young talenet based on 1 year old performance.

Ofcourse like any non-national players, Dhamin and Co. of ICL all need to perfrom in local leagues as well as team-a and make a strong case to include him/them.

Now our national team (over all) is playing very good, so any new player need to wait further for new opportunity, and it includes all ICL as well as non ICL players.

But there is no point to discriminate these ICL players based on their past mistake. BCB pardoned them and they are given a new life. I think it's time for the fans to forgive and move forward.

If SN, Aftab, Dhmain, who ever brings value to our national team, should be considered same way as Dollar, Nazmul, Imrul, Robin, etc. Sometimes bad individual performace will bring opportunity to the reserve, sometimes injury or team's specific need will bring opportunity to them.

I will wait and see how these ICL players perform in local leage before I make my mind about who should be and who shouldn't be consdiered as a standby to national team.

[wiseshah]

Originally Posted by Fazal
ICL is a T20 tournament, Its kind of silly to make a case for ODI or TEST comparing T20 performance.

Just because 'Beyadob" Dhiman didn't do any good in ICL or yet to impress some in the national team doesn't mean it should be the end of his young promising career. Its still too early to discount him. Like Riyad did against all odds, like Dollar did (atleast one game) against all neagtive image, we shouldn't discount these young talenet based on 1 year old performance.

Ofcourse like any non-national players, Dhamin and Co. of ICL all need to perfrom in local leagues as well as team-a and make a strong case to include him/them.

Now our national team (over all) is playing very good, so any new player need to wait further for new opportunity, and it includes all ICL as well as non ICL players.

But there is no point to discriminate these ICL players based on their past mistake. BCB pardoned them and they are given a new life. I think it's time for the fans to forgive and move forward.

If SN, Aftab, Dhmain, who ever brings value to our national team, should be considered same way as Dollar, Nazmul, Imrul, Robin, etc. Sometimes bad individual performace will bring opportunity to the reserve, sometimes injury or team's specific need will bring opportunity to them.

I will wait and see how these ICL players perform in local leage before I make my mind about who should be and who shouldn't be consdiered as a standby to national team.

good analysis fazal. agree

[bujhee kom]

I totally agree with Wise bhai on the BD ICL players' overratedness!
And also agree with Fazal mama on the T20 and ODI/Test incomparability!
This T20 thing still gets on my nerve!

[MohammedC]

ICL or No ICL. Past experience should not count when it comes to team selection. Only way in is to perform in domestic level.

[Rifat]

I know who put red arrow in this thread...tonoy and a couple of Kapali Lovers

[Gowza]

some of the ICLers are really talented but they need to re-prove themselves, especially in the longer format and they need to step it up a level or two above where they were before they went to the ICL.

[Imteaz]

They need to perform in our domestic level. Already discussed.

[Ashraf-FTP]

Originally Posted by Rifat
I know who put red arrow in this thread...tonoy and a couple of Kapali Lovers

why would they put red arrows?? he showed that Kapali is the best player from DW.. he has the highest average and the second lowest economy rate (very important in T20).. wiseshah also said that "except kapali, i think rest are below average." so really, i dont think they will put red arrows cause of that..

and yes its a good thrad.. good research.. i think Alok and Aftab (maybe SN) will perform good enough to get in the team cause there are some players in the current team who are not performiing very well and should be replaced..

[yaseer]

Fazal summarized the issue perfectly with all aspects.

Lets not classify those players, they are all young, let them perform and justify their inclusion through performance, they can always come to the national team whenever required.

[fais]

all will become clear in Oct. when the domestics start

[Dhakablues]

To keep things in perspective, all these players are still Bangladeshis. Most of these players were from the national team and rebelled due to financial reasons or selection disagreement or they were retired anyways.. So lets not diss them and think that they are 'untouchables' or 'trash players with no talent' or has no value at all. Yes, only performance will bring them back to the national team, nothing else...

We know that our selectors are as good as our team... incosistent, restless and always coming up with excuses. But I also hope a good selection policy prevails. The more pool of players we have, the better we will get... A prime example was Mashrafee's injury where we scrambled to find a proper strong replacement. Imagine that happening to Tamim/Ashraful/Raqibul/Saqib,,, who would replace them if we dont have a solid pool?

[Raynman]

Originally Posted by Dhakablues
To keep things in perspective, all these players are still Bangladeshis. Most of these players were from the national team and rebelled due to financial reasons or selection disagreement or they were retired anyways.. So lets not diss them and think that they are 'untouchables' or 'trash players with no talent' or has no value at all. Yes, only performance will bring them back to the national team, nothing else...

We know that our selectors are as good as our team... incosistent, restless and always coming up with excuses. But I also hope a good selection policy prevails. The more pool of players we have, the better we will get... A prime example was Mashrafee's injury where we scrambled to find a proper strong replacement. Imagine that happening to Tamim/Ashraful/Raqibul/Saqib,,, who would replace them if we dont have a solid pool?

Please refrain from using sensibility and logic. The demand to meet our egos and bias are far greater than that of the national team.

[djnaved]

jara icl haters ipl haters eishob badh den to bhai........shoja kotha ora jodi team e khelte chai tahole domestric cricketea perform kore eshe team e chance pabe.......i hate dhiman SN is a minnow basher, Aftab is a paki, Habibul bashar is haba.........badh den to bhai........shoja kotha if they perform well in domestic cricket taholei national team e chance pabe even habibul bashar!

[djnaved]

Originally Posted by Fazal
ICL is a T20 tournament, Its kind of silly to make a case for ODI or TEST comparing T20 performance.

Just because 'Beyadob" Dhiman didn't do any good in ICL or yet to impress some in the national team doesn't mean it should be the end of his young promising career. Its still too early to discount him. Like Riyad did against all odds, like Dollar did (atleast one game) against all neagtive image, we shouldn't discount these young talenet based on 1 year old performance.

Ofcourse like any non-national players, Dhamin and Co. of ICL all need to perfrom in local leagues as well as team-a and make a strong case to include him/them.

Now our national team (over all) is playing very good, so any new player need to wait further for new opportunity, and it includes all ICL as well as non ICL players.

But there is no point to discriminate these ICL players based on their past mistake. BCB pardoned them and they are given a new life. I think it's time for the fans to forgive and move forward.

If SN, Aftab, Dhmain, who ever brings value to our national team, should be considered same way as Dollar, Nazmul, Imrul, Robin, etc. Sometimes bad individual performace will bring opportunity to the reserve, sometimes injury or team's specific need will bring opportunity to them.

I will wait and see how these ICL players perform in local leage before I make my mind about who should be and who shouldn't be consdiered as a standby to national team.

fazal bhai good analysis

but the true fact is that ami ei same kotha koiao jekhane dam pai na sheikhane apne ei kotha daam pan........maybe it's my badluck.........!

[Raynman]

^^ was my sarcastic response to you not validation enough?

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by wiseshah
only their performance should bring them back to National team, nothing else. they should be tried out in A team , if performance is satisfactory, then can be considered.

That's the way to get into the national side. Is anyone being picked basing on their ICL performance? You can only evaluate ICL performances amongst themselves.

Then why this question of over rating is coming in?

[Murad]

Originally Posted by BANFAN
That's the way to get into the national side. Is anyone being picked basing on their ICL performance? You can only evaluate ICL performances amongst themselves.

Then why this question of over rating is coming in?

Because some people were suggesting in other threads that some of the ICL players shoudl be brought back immediately after the cooling period ends.

[bujhee kom]

Originally Posted by Murad
Because some people were suggesting in other threads that some of the ICL players shoudl be brought back immediately after the cooling period ends.

Can you believe that Murad bhai? What more can I say? This is beyond childish, why do I always mouth off at BCB and the politicians and the selectors alone and blame them for everything!