|
Cricket Join fellow Tigers fans to discuss all things Cricket
|
May 30, 2010, 09:24 AM
|
Cricket Guru
|
|
Join Date: May 25, 2009
Favorite Player: Mustafizur Rahman
Posts: 8,649
|
|
Jamie Siddons - The best thing the BCB have ever done
With Kayes now over the hurdle we have six batsmen capable of scoring big since the arrival of Siddons. The best batting coach in the World without a doubt. Now it is vital we keep him for as long as possible.
Last edited by Equinox; May 30, 2010 at 02:48 PM..
|
May 30, 2010, 09:32 AM
|
ODI Cricketer
|
|
Join Date: January 7, 2010
Posts: 529
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Equinox
With Kayes now over the hurdle we have six batsmen capable of scoring big since the arrival of Siddons. The best batting coach in the World without a doubt. Now it is vital we keep him for as long as possible.
|
FYI: we need to win matches, not individual performances.
|
May 30, 2010, 09:37 AM
|
First Class Cricketer
|
|
Join Date: January 10, 2009
Posts: 438
|
|
Siddons is the best coach in the world when our players are scoring really well, and worst coach when our players are doing horrible?
|
May 30, 2010, 09:37 AM
|
|
Cricket Sage
|
|
Join Date: July 30, 2006
Favorite Player: MAM & MBM
Posts: 19,850
|
|
He is a good batting coach. No doubt about that.
But he is crap as a head coach.
__________________
~*Islam is the only way to attain peace in life, be it personal, family or political.*~
|
May 30, 2010, 09:43 AM
|
Cricket Guru
|
|
Join Date: May 25, 2009
Favorite Player: Mustafizur Rahman
Posts: 8,649
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by hbk619
FYI: we need to win matches, not individual performances.
|
FYI you can't go from innings defeats to winning test matches. Step by step improvements. It's there for all to see.
As for ODIs towards the end of of Ash's reign as captain we beat Sri Lanka and New Zealand and were looking a competitive ODI unit. Siddons was the coach then as well.
|
May 30, 2010, 10:31 AM
|
|
Cricket Sage
|
|
Join Date: February 27, 2006
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 17,886
|
|
I wouldn't go that far. But he is by far the best coach we had who made some major improvements in our batting line up. His head coaching ability is some what questionable.
__________________
"I was the happiest man in the world, happier than Bill Gates"- Tamim Iqbal
|
May 30, 2010, 10:43 AM
|
ODI Cricketer
|
|
Join Date: January 7, 2010
Posts: 529
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Equinox
FYI you can't go from innings defeats to winning test matches. Step by step improvements. It's there for all to see.
As for ODIs towards the end of of Ash's reign as captain we beat Sri Lanka and New Zealand and were looking a competitive ODI unit. Siddons was the coach then as well.
|
yes no doubt that our batting improves a lot, but the fact is that as a head coach, he should put more focus on fielding and bowling, rather than improving one side which is batting......the only way u can win a game when u click all three sides
|
May 30, 2010, 10:45 AM
|
|
Moderator
|
|
Join Date: September 16, 2008
Location: Guantanamo
Favorite Player: Innocent Bird
Posts: 48,721
|
|
He should be out batting coach instead of head coach...
__________________
হোঁচট খেয়েছি অনেকবার, তবুও হার মানিনি। বাঁধা এসেছে বারবার, তবুও থেমে থাকিনি। বাঘেরা জানে কিভাবে ঘুরে দাঁড়াতে হয়। আপনারা আমাদের সাথেই থাকুন... ইনশাল্লাহ আল্লাহ ও আমাদের সহায় হবেন। চলো বাংলাদেশ!
|
May 30, 2010, 10:55 AM
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: March 11, 2010
Favorite Player: Ashraful♥Raqibul foreve
Posts: 1,063
|
|
He has been our best batting coach no doubt. Turned a gobet like Imrul into class boss, I agree with you.
|
May 30, 2010, 11:03 AM
|
|
Cricket Legend
|
|
Join Date: January 10, 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 5,870
|
|
Don't know if all credit should go to Siddons, but definitely an improvement from Kayes. He's still pretty streaky in his run-scoring though.
__________________
A friend in need is a friend indeed; a friend with weed is better.
|
May 30, 2010, 11:23 AM
|
|
Cricket Savant
|
|
Join Date: December 23, 2007
Location: The Quiet Place
Favorite Player: Curtly Ambrose
Posts: 27,469
|
|
i think he needs to have a 2-3 week camp with the A team, academy and under 19 batsman
|
May 30, 2010, 12:15 PM
|
Cricket Guru Commissioner, MLC
|
|
Join Date: March 22, 2010
Posts: 13,532
|
|
I hope we keep him as a batting coach, for another few years. Hope he is willing to stay. There was a reason why he wasnt the head coach of Aus, but asst. coach. So we need to find a head coach who can motivate like Whatmore. So we will be technically solid, with confidence to win match.
|
May 30, 2010, 12:44 PM
|
Cricket Guru
|
|
Join Date: May 25, 2009
Favorite Player: Mustafizur Rahman
Posts: 8,649
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by bangladesh_sy
I wouldn't go that far. But he is by far the best coach we had who made some major improvements in our batting line up. His head coaching ability is some what questionable.
|
What is the best thing the BCB has done?
Quote:
Originally Posted by cricket_king
Don't know if all credit should go to Siddons, but definitely an improvement from Kayes. He's still pretty streaky in his run-scoring though.
|
Well that's obvious isn't it? He can only help those who help themselves. That's why he hasn't gone anywhere with a loser like Ashraful.
You guys are over-estimating the role of a coach in cricket. Shakib has to improve his captaincy and become more authoritative to win matches not Siddons.
|
May 30, 2010, 01:07 PM
|
|
Cricket Legend
|
|
Join Date: January 20, 2009
Location: Australia
Favorite Player: Ashraful,mashrafe,shakib
Posts: 3,847
|
|
Also, don't forget Junaid. The level of determination he showed today was incredible. Previously out batsmen would give in the pressure[short bowling] and just gift their wicket. He kept his cool and made sure the bowlers had to come and get him.
Thanks to Jamie for turning some "mediocre" batsmen into international class batsmen and some international class batsmen into "world-class" batsmen.
__________________
GODISNOWHERE now read it again.
|
May 30, 2010, 01:08 PM
|
|
Cricket Savant
|
|
Join Date: June 30, 2005
Location: Little Rock
Favorite Player: Viv Richards, Steve Waugh
Posts: 32,798
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by hbk619
FYI: we need to win matches, not individual performances.
|
His influence will remain with BD cricket for a long time. Even after when he is gone. Unlike any of your previous coaches who could not develop any of the players to international standards.
Winning is a culture. BD don't have any of that in any sector. We have partial of it in chess but that is about it.
These small individual achievements string together (consistency) can bring that change. We have shrugged the tag of eid day winning. Now we are competing at Lords. Hats of the coach. We are not there yet. Fielding and bowling needs to be improved a little. Results will come do not worry!!
__________________
The Weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the Strong." - Gandhi.
|
May 30, 2010, 02:08 PM
|
Cricket Guru
|
|
Join Date: May 25, 2009
Favorite Player: Mustafizur Rahman
Posts: 8,649
|
|
I don't expect most people to understand what Siddons is doing and realise his influence until after he's gone. Five-ten years from now people will hail him as the architect of our success. He came in with a long-term plan and wasn't in it for one or two fluke wins a year a la Whatmore.
|
May 30, 2010, 02:12 PM
|
ODI Cricketer
|
|
Join Date: February 23, 2006
Posts: 553
|
|
That would be hard. It would be like a demotion for Siddons. But for Bangladesh cricket it would be great. The national team needs a good motivator, not just a technical batting expert like Siddons.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dilscoop
I hope we keep him as a batting coach, for another few years. Hope he is willing to stay. There was a reason why he wasnt the head coach of Aus, but asst. coach. So we need to find a head coach who can motivate like Whatmore. So we will be technically solid, with confidence to win match.
|
|
May 30, 2010, 02:22 PM
|
|
Cricket Guru
|
|
Join Date: March 7, 2007
Location: elsewhere
Favorite Player: ZAR
Posts: 9,896
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Equinox
With Kayes now over the hurdle we have six batsmen capable of scoring big since the arrival of Siddons. The best batting coach in the World without a doubt. Now it is vital we keep him for as long as possible.
|
He is the best batting coach we had so far. It's the best decision by BCB to appoint him as coach. Though sometimes he showed that he is not a good tactician. But still he has changed these players (Tamim, Kayes, Mahmudullah, Shakib, Mushfiq ) from talented players to performing talents.
__________________
﴾اَلَاۤ اِنَّ اَوۡلِيَآءَ اللّٰهِ لَا خَوۡفٌ عَلَيۡهِمۡ وَلَا هُمۡ يَحۡزَنُوۡنَ ۖ ۚ ﴿۶۲
"Listen, the friends of Allah shall have no fear, nor shall they grieve" (Yunus: 62)
|
May 30, 2010, 02:27 PM
|
|
Cricket Legend
|
|
Join Date: March 23, 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Favorite Player: Mahmudullah Riyad
Posts: 6,190
|
|
Jeez, for the mental part, just hire a manager who can cover that part.
__________________
BD_Shardul: ''I myself will not go through the troubles of dating. I will offer a prayer that will let me know if my would be bride is compatible with me through a dream''
|
May 30, 2010, 02:34 PM
|
Cricket Guru
|
|
Join Date: May 25, 2009
Favorite Player: Mustafizur Rahman
Posts: 8,649
|
|
Give him a batsman with talent + a proven track record and give him some time and he will convert him into an International standard batsman. Take the example of Shahriar Nafees he is just as if not more talented than the likes of Imrul Kayes and Zunaed Siddique plus he has a good domestic record but instead of choosing to work on his game with Siddons he opted to take the easy way and make money. Now look where he is and look where Siddique is. One is playing in Fatullah and the other scored back to back 50's in front of a Lord's crowd.
|
May 30, 2010, 02:34 PM
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: March 5, 2010
Location: Bangladesh
Favorite Player: Shakib, SN, Tamim
Posts: 1,205
|
|
Yes, but he is the worst bowling coach in the world!
|
May 30, 2010, 02:35 PM
|
|
Cricket Legend
|
|
Join Date: October 7, 2008
Location: Michigan
Favorite Player: Shakib,Ganguly,Vettori,
Posts: 2,728
|
|
Don't get carried away, brothers. I still remember when his head was in highest demands.
But credit to Junaid. He showed balls of titanium today. Same goes to Kayes. They overcame their technical shortcomings through sheer will and determination.
__________________
Our deeds are for us and yours for you; peace be on to you. We do not desire the way of the ignorant
|
May 30, 2010, 02:37 PM
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: March 5, 2010
Location: Bangladesh
Favorite Player: Shakib, SN, Tamim
Posts: 1,205
|
|
Well, one mistake he did was to Ash change his batting style
He reformed our batting, but what about our bowling? Where has our bowling gone to? We now have only a good SLA while Mash, our best pacer is always injury ridden with no replacement.
Also we have a Mushy who cant keep the stumps properly against Spinners
But I always wanted to have him as a batting coach
Its time to demote him to one, and have someone better to coach our team, but not SUJON :p
|
May 30, 2010, 02:46 PM
|
|
BanglaCricket Staff
|
|
Join Date: February 3, 2004
Posts: 5,578
|
|
Easy guys.. easy!
I think its time for us fans to realize that BD actually has still got some massive technical deficiencies...and there are no short-cut ways around those weaknesses. Siddons has definitely done the good work of shaking off the subcontinental-style hype of emotions over solid developments. He has rightly identified the weaknesses of the players and has focused on curing those. He is a man of maths..and thus have chosen the path of not casting the spell of falls hopes.
If the team keeps progressing like this..I personally am more than happy with waiting another 5 years to become a real Tiger.. rather than an unpredictable Eid-style side.
__________________
Well...you only get one chance to make your first impression somewhere...!
|
May 30, 2010, 02:51 PM
|
|
Cricket Legend
|
|
Join Date: May 19, 2004
Location: Seattle, WA
Favorite Player: Umpires!
Posts: 4,228
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Equinox
You guys are over-estimating the role of a coach in cricket. Shakib has to improve his captaincy and become more authoritative to win matches not Siddons.
|
How come Shakib is suppose to improve his captaincy? By himself?
What's the role of a head coach may I ask?
__________________
Golf is good, no umpire needed!
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is On
|
|
|
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:21 PM.
|
|