ODI ranking will change if we win this series againt Kenya?

[Mahmood]

Last night, on Channel I, Rakibul made a comment, that surprised me. He said, if we win this series againt Kenya 3-1, we will pass Zimbabwe in ICC ODI ranking.

Can anyone who understands (where is Dr. Z) the ICC ODI ranking system confirm this?

[babubangla]

Before yesterday’s game Kenya played total 6 ODI- 2 of them in September-2004 and 4 of them in March-2006. So, the number of matches weighs down to 5 (2/3 of 2 + 4). So Kenya’s standing before yesterday’s match was Match-5, Point-187, and Rating-37. On the other Hand Bangladesh’s standing was Match-26, Point-437, and Rating-17.

After yesterday’s match, the current standing is:
Kenya: Match-6, Point-154, and Rating-26
Bangladesh: Match-27, Point-524, and Rating-19

If Bangladesh Wins First 3 Games and lose the 4th one, the standing would be:
Kenya: Match-9, Point-167, and Rating-19
Bangladesh: Match-30, Point-630, and Rating-21

If Bangladesh wins the series 4-0, the standing would be:
Kenya: Match-9, Point-67, and Rating-7
Bangladesh: Match-30, Point-730, and Rating-24

Zimbabwe’s current Ranking is:
Match-27, Point-1122, and Rating-42

So, Rakibul was WRONG.
Bangladesh will NOT be able to be on top on Zimbabwe even by winning this series 4-0.

Because the rating gap between Bangladesh and Kenya is less than 40, the following rule will apply for rating calculation for this series:
a) If you win, you score 50 points more than your opponent's rating
b) If you lose, you score 50 points less than your opponent's rating
c) If you tie, you score your opponent's rating

[Tigers_eye]

Rakibul was wrong. We will surpass Zim if we beat them in July and if those matches are held as per scheduled.

But all of them were correct saying if we win the series we would not have any problem playing in the Champions trophy's second tier matches.

Nice explanation Babubangla bhai.

Edited on, March 17, 2006, 5:32 PM GMT, by Cats_eye.

[babubangla]

YES...a series win (either 3-1 or 4-0) will put us on top of Kenya. Speacially a 4-0 series win will make the difference real healthy: BD: 24 vs. KEN: 07

[Rubu]

I think it was just a slip of tongue from. he meant to say kenya.

as babubangla mentioned, if we win 3-1 or 4-0, we rank above kenya and hence qualify for CT qualifier.

[Tigers_eye]

No, he said several times and tried to emphasis on it saying we will be #9 on the listing. No way we can get to #9 by the end of this series.

[Ahmed_B]

Pakistan, Sri Lanka & England begin final battle to avoid ICC Champions Trophy preliminary round
Brian Murgatroyd
March 16, 2006

Friday's first ODI between Sri Lanka and Pakistan in Colombo is the start of the final battle among sides to avoid playing in the preliminary round of the ICC Champions Trophy, later this year in India.

Sides in positions seven to ten in the LG ICC ODI Championship table on 1 April will face that fate and at the moment Sri Lanka, along with the West Indies, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh are the teams occupying those slots.+

Sri Lanka can overtake sixth-placed England with a 2-1 series win over Pakistan but even then they could still slip back to seventh spot if England win at least one of their two matches against India that will take place before the 1 April cut-off.

A 3-0 series win for Sri Lanka will guarantee them a top six place but that result would also bring Pakistan into the equation as they could find themselves seventh if England win one of those two clashes against India.

If Inzamam-ul-Haq's side beat their hosts 2-1 then Sri Lanka will drop to 106 rating points and will need to rely on India winning both of the March matches against England to jump back to sixth spot.

And in a further potential scenario, a 3-0 win for Pakistan will condemn Sri Lanka to the preliminary round no matter what happens in the India - England matches.

It all emphasizes just how tight the middle section of the LG ICC ODI Championship table is with just six rating points (equivalent to approximately three victories) separating third-placed New Zealand (113) and Sri Lanka (107).

Neither Sri Lanka nor Pakistan have been in spectacular ODI form lately which makes the result of their upcoming series especially hard to predict.

Sri Lanka beat Bangladesh 2-1 in their most recent action in this form of the game while Pakistan lost 4-1 in a series against India last month.

Sri Lanka have the highest-ranked batsman and bowler in the LG ICC Player Rankings with Kumar Sangakkara in fifth spot among the batsmen while Muttiah Muralidaran, who missed the ODI series in Bangladesh, is seventh in the bowling list.

Only three other batsmen on either side have places in the top 20 - Pakistan's Mohammed Yousuf (13th) and Inzamam (18th), together with Sri Lanka's Marvan Atapattu (joint 20th), another player who was rested for the series in Bangladesh.

Among the bowlers, apart from Muralidaran, each side has one representative in the top 20 - Sri Lanka's Chaminda Vaas (7th) and Naved-ul-Hasan of Pakistan (11th), although Vaas is reportedly set to miss the first match on Friday with a shoulder injury.

Also likely to be absent from that first clash is Sri Lanka's veteran all-rounder Sanath Jayasuriya, suffering with a thigh injury. Jayasuriya lies joint 22nd in the batting list, is eighth in the all-rounder table and his absence, together with Vaas, creates a big hole for the home side to fill.

While the race for sixth spot hots up in Colombo, Bangladesh and Kenya will do battle in a four-match series that also starts on Friday with - potentially - a place in the ICC Champions Trophy up for grabs.

Kenya are yet to play the minimum number of matches required to earn themselves a place on the LG ICC ODI Championship table - that number will be determined at next week's ICC Executive Board meeting in Dubai - but if it is decided it should be eight then their four matches in Bangladesh will take them over that threshold.

If that is the case then Kenya could qualify for the Champions Trophy ahead of Bangladesh unless the home side wins their series by at least two clear matches (for example, by 3-1).

The schedule for the Sri Lanka - Pakistan ODI series is as follows:

17 March - first ODI, R.Premadasa Stadium, Colombo
19 March - second ODI, R.Premadasa Stadium, Colombo
21 March - third ODI, Sinhalese Sports Club, Colombo

The schedule for the Bangladesh - Kenya ODI series is as follows:

17 March - first ODI, Bogra
20 March - second ODI, Khulna
23 March - third ODI, Fatullah
25 March - fourth ODI, Fatullah

Full details of the current LG ICC ODI Championship and how future results will impact on the table, as well as the LG ICC Player Rankings can be found here

+ India, as hosts, will automatically qualify for the second stage of next year's ICC Champions Trophy even if they are outside the top six of the LG ICC ODI Championship table on 1 April 2006. If they are outside that top six then the sixth-placed side in the table will take part in the preliminary round.

Source: © ICC



Edited on, March 17, 2006, 6:50 PM GMT, by Ahmed_B.

[Rubu]

so its clean and simple now without confusion: if ICC think that kenya has played enough matches to get a rank, we need 2 more wins to play.

if ICC don't think kenya has played enough matches, we play.

[Duck]

Thanks for the post. It clears thinks for us.

Hope BD will not be suffering from the complacency as they have shown in Kenyans innigs: The lost the killing instinct and grip....allowing from 97/7 to 170. I hope they will change this attitude and do the clean up job in the series.

[mafizraju]

so we need two more wins without question

[ZaKi]

Hope it will be 4-0 series for bd... and the result will kick Kenya from the ODI table & also shut up some idots who thought still kenyans are better than B'deshis..

[Ahmed_B]

Originally posted by Dak_Pion
Hope BD will not be suffering from the complacency as they have shown in Kenyans innigs: The lost the killing instinct and grip....allowing from 97/7 to 170.

Practically... BD was turned down on atleast 2 occassions of clean LBW wickets by the umpires. Had those been given out.. Kenya could not even have reached 150 today. It's not all BD's fault actually.

Originally posted by ZaKi
Hope it will be 4-0 series for bd... and the result will kick Kenya from the ODI table...

BTW.. Kenyans are already out of the ODI table. That is why BD is ranked as the 10th ODI team despite having lower rating than Kenya. The next week's ICC meeting will decide how many matches kenya needs to re-includ themselves in the ODI ranking table. If BD wins 3-1.. and ICC still decides that Kenya will be included.. BD will already have higher rating then (which they dont have now untill a 3-1 win) and kenya will be the 11th ODI ranked team.

[Ahmed_B]

Merged these two threads since they are on the same topic.