Won't be satisfied until we start performing well in tests.

MHRAM · #1 April 30, 2015, 03:03 AM

Title says it all.

We need to start doing well in tests. Doing well in ODIs and T20s won't help our reputation as much as winning a test.

Rifat_02 · #2 April 30, 2015, 03:10 AM

Yes and these flat pitches are not helping, even Zimbabwe won a test vs pak, we need to prepare.wickets to give our mediocre bowlers a chance, and we need our best bowlers to.play test cricket.

jeesh · #3 April 30, 2015, 03:12 AM

The other side is also there, we make sporting tracks our batsmen will have a very tough time against a bowling attack like Pakistan's.

Not sure whether its an issue with conditions, i d be more worried about skill and approach.

BANFAN · #4 April 30, 2015, 03:16 AM

Yes we can't be happy without doing good in test cricket, as a test nation ..

BANFAN · #5 April 30, 2015, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jeesh
The other side is also there, we make sporting tracks our batsmen will have a very tough time against a bowling attack like Pakistan's.

Not sure whether its an issue with conditions, i d be more worried about skill and approach.

Our batsmen did pretty good in sporting wickets of NZ Aus, against pretty good pace bowling.

I know test matches will be different, but I'm sure batting can adjust.

MHRAM · #6 April 30, 2015, 03:34 AM

We showed a total lack of application, something you wuold expect a team with 1 year test cricket expeirence not 15. The way our batsman got out especially in the 2nd day showed that they don't know how to play test cricket.

Also, Soumya and Hom coming at no. 7/8 shows the state of our cricket.

Gowza · #7 April 30, 2015, 03:53 AM

Yeah got to win the tests, thing is they don't play the format enough to get good momentum on development.

shirsho2009 · #8 April 30, 2015, 04:52 AM

bochor e test khele 4/5 ta, domestic e longer version e khele na, era je continuous 4-5 din field e thake, aitai beshi.

Mas_UK25 · #9 April 30, 2015, 05:56 AM

Unless we play the right way with right intent. Least. At least have a go have the right aim.
Way too often we look too weak too bleak too komjur too lethargic in the field, in the test format.

tamzid90 · #10 April 30, 2015, 07:35 AM

We have been awfully defensive in this test. I am not sure why we can't play attacking cricket. Plus the selections, approach and fielding has been very poor. Only a matter of time before people start asking for ICC to revoke our Test Status. This was the ideal time to try and win a test. Instead we made a road for a pitch and allowed Pakistan to get a 200 odd run lead on us after some poor batting, bowling and fielding.

Need better approach for test matches.

MHRAM · #11 April 30, 2015, 07:41 AM

The problem starts from the roots. The thing is, our FC system is not bad. What is bad is how it is played. Our FC system does not prepare our players for Test cricket the way it is supposed to. FC cricket seems to be more of an audition for DPL and similar leagues. I doubt that batsman in domestics will survive in sporting wickets, and bowlers will have less than 50 average on batting pitches.

Kohli_Sox · #12 April 30, 2015, 08:09 AM

Need to give more thoughts on Test Matches. You want respect? Doing well in longer version will earn you respect from true cricket fans around the world.

Ace of BD · #13 April 30, 2015, 09:16 AM

Let's look at it this way, would you have preferred losing all the matches in WC (including associates), and win the test series v Pak. Or lose the test series vs Pak and qualify for the quarters having won those matches (Afg, Sco, Eng). I wouldn't want us to be an England tbh. Its the shorter formats where all the glory lies to be honest. We can talk all what we want. But just looking across the borders will give you a true picture, on how Pakistan are calling it all doom because they have failed in ODI cricket in the recent past. Let's learn to be grateful.

WarWolf · #14 April 30, 2015, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ace of BD
Let's look at it this way, would you have preferred losing all the matches in WC (including associates), and win the test series v Pak. Or lose the test series vs Pak and qualify for the quarters having won those matches (Afg, Sco, Eng). I wouldn't want us to be an England tbh. Its the shorter formats where all the glory lies to be honest. We can talk all what we want. But just looking across the borders will give you a true picture, on how Pakistan are calling it all doom because they have failed in ODI cricket in the recent past. Let's learn to be grateful.

What do you mean in this post?

NoName · #15 April 30, 2015, 02:17 PM

Get a new curator, replace captain

Tigers_eye · #16 April 30, 2015, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by shirsho2009
bochor e test khele 4/5 ta, domestic e longer version e khele na, era je continuous 4-5 din field e thake, aitai beshi.

Tarpor ajib ajib shob player selection koray.

Ar wicket'er jei obostha...

epitaph · #17 April 30, 2015, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jeesh
The other side is also there, we make sporting tracks our batsmen will have a very tough time against a bowling attack like Pakistan's.

Not sure whether its an issue with conditions, i d be more worried about skill and approach.

It's mostly this. It's mainly a mental issue. When things don't go well, our players, including the captain, just lose morale, give up and just go through the motion of things waiting for it to end and/or for the opponent to make a mistake. They haven't learned to play Test cricket yet, they're lacking the classroom knowledge, and after so many years of playing Test, this is alarming, especially because most of these things are basic stuff that novices and commentators alike notice and facepalm at while watching these games (like not having fielders in catching positions).

Of course, we don't have a good bowling attack, and selection was poor this time as well, but lacking knowledge of Test cricket and mental fortitude are our biggest issues.

Regarding selection and attack, we would've been significantly better with Jubair, Al-Amin, and Shafiul (unless he's injured). That's still far from world-class, but that's something you can work with.

Spend significant time in the "classroom" learning about Test cricket and try to put it into practice (might take a couple of years if the players can shift to a winning mentality, but most of these things are so basic that it shouldn't take longer) and select the right players (selectors also need to go back to the drawing board and learn about Test), and we're well-capable of drawing Test matches because we've a better batting lineup these days.

If the players can't shake off the defeatist mentality in Test, then we've to wait for the next generations of players. There's no other way if that mentality is deeply ingrained in them. In ODIs, previously, we had the same issue during Habibul Bashar's time, but those players lacked the skill too. These Test players do have the technical ability to draw games at home.

imtiaz82 · #18 May 1, 2015, 08:23 AM

It would take us another 2-3 years to win test series against top opposition; once bowlers like Taskin, Mustafizeur and Jubair matures. With our current bowling stock Rubel, Shahadat, Al Amin etc; even if we pick 4 genuine bowlers; don't see us getting the opposition out twice in a test match. But with strong batting line up, we can expect to draw more test matches than the last 10 years.

zman · #19 May 1, 2015, 10:31 AM

If I was told at the beginning of day 4 we'd be 290 runs behind in the second innings and have 60 overs to bat, I'd think the best case scenario for us would be 200/2. We've played on flat pitches like this many a time before but never came close to what this opening duo has achieved today.

the_realist · #20 May 1, 2015, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rifat_02
Yes and these flat pitches are not helping, even Zimbabwe won a test vs pak, we need to prepare.wickets to give our mediocre bowlers a chance, and we need our best bowlers to.play test cricket.

Our fast bowling is actually inferior to Zimbabwe's. The last test series in Zimbabwe proved that.

Our batting has certainly improved. We almost always had good batting pitches, but our batsmen could never hold on to their innings. Even if the pitch was brought from heavens for the batsmen, we were so bad that we would get all out in 150. That's certainly changed now. The next part of our development should be our fast bowling. Once we have a decent fast bowling lineup we can start trying to win test matches at home, until then we better keep drawing.

epitaph · #21 May 1, 2015, 11:51 AM

Like I said, batting has improved. And under Hathuru, it has improved considerably in a short period of time. We're better technically with guys like Mominul, but the biggest change has been going from collapses and mental midgetry to playing with more confidence, positivity, and better decision-making.(This is of course true with all formats.)

Next up, improve:

- Selection. Believe that we can do better. Tamim-Imrul's partnership and, hopefully, the rest of this series will give them a positive mindset too. They can't turn our attack into a formidable, world-class one overnight, but they can do much better. And I'm not talking about risking injuries of the younger guys.

- Bowling. Developing better bowlers and a genuinely good Test bowling attack will take time, but the current bowlers in this Test deviated down the leg side too often, and things like that can be fixed.

- CAPTAINCY. There are big issues with field placements and lack of cojones. Like batting previously, this has also been an age-old mental problem. I hope Hathuru and co. can work their magic with the captain's on-field decision-making as well.