Shaun Tait : is he a chucker ?

MohammedC · #1 December 13, 2007, 08:36 PM

Bent arm chucked into mix

The blowtorch has been turned on new Australian superhero Shaun Tait, with suggestions out of the New Zealand camp that the fast bowler is a chucker.

Tait's bowling action in the Twenty20 international at Perth on Tuesday not only, it seems, raised the eyebrows of New Zealand, but also many Australians judging by a number of distasteful comments about its legality on the Australian Broadcasting Corporation's (ABC) website.

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So what do you think guys is he a Chucker ?

Alien · #2 December 13, 2007, 09:20 PM

Should have included a poll.

Anyways, anyway if you look at the source of rumour, it comes from NZ camp.

tonoy · #3 December 13, 2007, 09:37 PM

oh god. What next? murali?

Kabir · #4 December 13, 2007, 10:00 PM

I don't know...never really cared. But would be interested to know.

MohammedC · #5 December 13, 2007, 10:59 PM

Thanks to Mod for adding the poll. Yes,there is time I think he chucks.

Surfer · #6 December 14, 2007, 02:11 AM

I dont think many bowlers would face the question mark after the recent changes to the chucking rules.

Rabz · #7 December 14, 2007, 03:43 AM

If Tait is a chucker, so is murali.
Rules should be uniform for all players.

Surfer · #8 December 14, 2007, 04:39 AM

The ICC has virtually made chucking legal. The effects of that will be seen in a few more years. Bowling coaches will soon see a fair point in telling their students how they can get more by bending the elbow a little. You deliver a delivery using your shoulder and then throw another delivery of the same line and length using a bent elbow and it will behave differently. Soon we will see a breed of bowlers who would believe more in chucking. ICC has opened the gates for that.

Miraz · #9 December 14, 2007, 05:11 AM

He is OK.

He has got a semi slinging action like Malinga. His wrist movement prior to delivery might create a visual illusion but he is definitely clean.

Alien · #10 December 14, 2007, 07:56 AM

Tait got a funny bowling action where he stoops low when he releases the ball. If you look at his hands, its as straight as it gets. Bloody kiwis got not quality bowlers that can make a dent to the Aussie batting line up so what do they do? Go after Tait.

I think the general reactions against Tait is the typical "anti-Australian" reaction. When it comes to Murali, everyone defends him saying Aussies are racist, doesn't like anyone doing better than them. Here is a video of Tait which brings controversy. Judge for yourself if he is chucking.

MohammedC · #11 December 14, 2007, 07:59 AM

Buchanan warns NZers against Tait allegations

Heavy bats the problem, not Tait's action - Crowe

Nafi · #12 December 14, 2007, 01:18 PM

He is a slinger, so how the hell can he be a chucker.

akabir77 · #13 December 14, 2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Nafi
He is a slinger, so how the hell can he be a chucker.

so you r saying slingers can't be chucker?

Nafi · #14 December 14, 2007, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by akabir77
so you r saying slingers can't be chucker?

Not entirely, when you sling in the bowling action, your bowling arm is swung back and locks into place, now from this position you can bend your arm to prepare to chuck it, but really its very very impractical.

Alien · #15 December 15, 2007, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by akabir77
so you r saying slingers can't be chucker?

Do you even know what a slinger is?

cricman · #16 December 15, 2007, 09:22 AM

He threw that ball in that you tube video, I could do that and generate some decent pace around 84-87 mph range.

akabir77 · #17 December 15, 2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Alien
Do you even know what a slinger is?

read post 14 & 16. you will know why i asked. even if its not practical i have seen people doing it (in para game). so don't try to be too smart

lol

BangladeshFan · #18 December 15, 2007, 12:09 PM

shoaib, lee, tait, murali all of them chucks at certain times. testing them with sensors dont help, because obviously they wont bend that much then.

besides how exactly you will know if a bowler is bending his arm more than 15 degrees at real time?? it becomes almost impossible for the umpire, add to that the controversy of no balling a bowler.

i think 3rd umpire can help the on field umpires if a bowler is suspect. 1st a verbal warning and then if he continues then start no balling him. there is no other way. it is unfair to the bowlers who bowl legally.

Moshin · #19 December 15, 2007, 02:23 PM

alright 4 malinga style, but hiz its a no no no!!

Gowza · #20 December 15, 2007, 05:28 PM

if he was a chucker i doubt he ever would have played for australia, in australia we have rules to prevent players from even playing state cricket if they chuck. a guy called aaron bird a year or 2 ago was made to change his action because they said he chucked or was too close to chucking or something, and he wasn't even a regular in our state setup. they didn't allow him to play while he was fixing his action.

in regards to tait specifically, due to his body position, arm angle and wrist movement if you don't watch the action from an angle where you can see the whole bowling action then it can look like he's chucking e.g. if you watch from front on it looks like he's going to chuck when his arm comes over his shoulder but when you watch from side on or from behind where you can see the whole movement his action is fine.

Murad · #21 December 15, 2007, 05:41 PM

McCullum tells Tait to stop 'mouthing off'

In the rapidly escalating war of words over Tait's bowling action, McCullum said it was a joke Tait was dispensing advice to New Zealand's struggling top order when he had only five test wickets and 31 ODI scalps.

Tait, Australia's fastest bowler, said on Thursday the New Zealand top order looked scared of him and "maybe they should watch the ball more".

McCullum, New Zealand's vice-captain, was unimpressed.
"From my point of view if he is Glenn McGrath then he can probably throw comments like that out there, but my only advice would be to try and get a few statistics behind him before he starts mouthing off.

"I just thought it was a bit reckless of Taity. He is a good bloke, but he has only played 15 [16] games. Glenn McGrath was very good at talking it up but he had very good statistics."

McCullum's outburst is certain to sour relations even further heading into today's second Chappell-Hadlee Trophy match at the Sydney Cricket Ground.

New Zealand have already refused to back down from suggestions around their camp that Tait is a chucker, although McCullum said he personally had no issue with his jerky action.

But asked whether anyone else in the team did, McCullum left the door ajar.

"I don't know, I don't think so. From my point of view there was no issue in the first place - it was more general banter."

McCullum could not help but have one final dig at the rattled Tait, whom he smashed for three fours in one over on the way to 96 in a losing effort at Adelaide on Friday night.

"If he is going bowl like that, hopefully I can get him more fired up," McCullum said.
Tait was removed from the action after conceding 28 runs from his opening three overs, but to his credit he returned strongly to finish with his head above water (3-59).

Meanwhile, New Zealand captain Daniel Vettori has leapt to the defence of out-of-form opener Lou Vincent and his pop-gun bowling attack.

Vettori admitted Vincent's form was a concern but said he would stick with him because of his track record against Australia (507 runs at 28.16) and his match-winning qualities.

And Vettori preferred to shower praise on Adam Gilchrist's hurricane half-century rather than reflect on his own bowling attack's shortcomings. "You have to look at the way Gilchrist played, because it was pretty fantastic and brutal so I won't lay all the blame on my bowlers."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4325642a10133.html

Surfer · #22 December 15, 2007, 10:30 PM

No way. He is an Australian....he cant shut up. Thats a manufacturing defect in all Australians.

Alien · #23 December 16, 2007, 06:49 AM

McCullum got a bigger mouth I reckon, just coz the guy is new doesn't mean that he can't defend himself. Well, what do you guys expect? Sit ducks and take the blame for something he hasn't done?

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No way. He is an Australian....he cant shut up. Thats a manufacturing defect in all Australians.

But unlike other products, they earned it. Love it or hate it, they are the worlds best and when they say they are world's best, that they aren't "showing off" but showing what they really are.

Nafi · #24 December 16, 2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Alien
McCullum got a bigger mouth I reckon, just coz the guy is new doesn't mean that he can't defend himself. Well, what do you guys expect? Sit ducks and take the blame for something he hasn't done?

But unlike other products, they earned it. Love it or hate it, they are the worlds best and when they say they are world's best, that they aren't "showing off" but showing what they really are.

Correction australians as a whole are worlds best, shaun tait has still a long way to go. I think tait learne how to bowl straight before he starts opening his mouth

Surfer · #25 December 17, 2007, 01:42 AM

More over, Australians had the same nature even when they were not so good. When the Dravid-Slater incident took place, India was a better team than Australia with Tendulkar making mockery of Warne those days. When the Murali-Lehmann incident happened, Australia was not so good a team. Victory or defeat...Australians have behaved that way always. It has nothing to do with them being the best.