What now?

[shuziburo]

It is easy to call for heads to roll. But, even if we do that, it has to be done methodically. I like the Aussie model the best. Perform or you'll be out. This should definitely be for the players, but also the selectors and BCB officials.

Without accountability, we'll continue this march to mediocrity.

[shuziburo]

Since the series is lost, they need to drop everyone who has not performed in either of the matches. Try some new blood.

[MHRAM]

Players who have been failing to perform need to be under the scanner

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[Habib]

Originally Posted by shuziburo
Since the series is lost, they need to drop everyone who has not performed in either of the matches. Try some new blood.

Who do you suggest should get dropped? We have already tried some new bloods in Anamul, Mominul, Al Amin. There is only one player that I can see can come in the ODI side at the moment and that is Naeem.

[22Yards]

Originally Posted by shuziburo
Since the series is lost, they need to drop everyone who has not performed in either of the matches. Try some new blood.

Who is to try ? its easy to say drop a bunch of non performers but who will fill in their shoes ? Nafees and co ?

[Habib]

Have Naeem replace Riyad. Make Shakib bat at Riyad's current position and Naeem at Shakib's.

[Zunaid]

Originally Posted by Habib
Have Naeem replace Riyad. Make Shakib bat at Riyad's current position and Naeem at Shakib's.

That's pretty much it. And don't bring back Tamim for the Asia Cup.

[dark mage]

Originally Posted by Habib
Have Naeem replace Riyad. Make Shakib bat at Riyad's current position and Naeem at Shakib's.

I like this solution. Naeem really does deserve Shakib's batting position. And Mullah really doesnt deserve a place in the team with his current form. The best think I liked about Naeem's batting against New Zealand was his responsible batting. And he batted responsibly in that series in Shakib's absence. that batting position needs someone responsible and way Shakib currently likes to bat warrants him a place much lower down the order.

[Fazal]

but ... but... BCB is not familiar with perfomance based selection.

- Naeem is dropped after performing in previous series.

- Al-Amin is dropped in 2nd ODi after performing decently in 1st ODI. He got the dengarous Sangakkara and he was rewarded with take a break in the 2nd ODI.

- 4 run out happend in ist ODI and 1 run out in 2nd ODI. And there is a common link with one player for 3 of them. Its a clear case of mis comminication. Do the management have the guts to address that? It will hurt our captains' feeling.

- Several catches was dropped in 1st ODI and then in 2nd ODI atleast 4 catch was dropped ( nasir=1; Riyad=1, Mominul=2). How come we continue to accept those? Are players made accountable? What about the fielding coach? At some point he need to take the heat.

- What is exactly Riyad doing in the team?

There are some conflict of interest that need to be taken care of. a) tamaim and his chacha; b) Rahim and his Bhaira. To remove any kind of conflict of interest: Uncle need to remove comepletely from team selection (which at last he may have done); and Rahim should be stipped of selection the etam as long as Riyad is in the equation.





Nothing will happen unless BCb has the balls to make the senior players accountable. if you do that, the rest will follow the leader. Right now they are following the wrong leaders.

[Habib]

Originally Posted by Fazal
but ... but... BCB is not familiar with perfomance based selection.

- Naeem is dropped after performing in previous series.

- Al-Amin is dropped in 2nd ODi after performing decently in 1st ODI. He got the dengarous Sangakkara and he was rewarded with take a break in the 2nd ODI.

- 4 run out happend in ist ODI and 1 run out in 2nd ODI. And there is a common link with one player for 3 of them. Its a clear case of mis comminication. Do the management have the guts to address that? It will hurt our captains' feeling.

- Several catches was dropped in 1st ODI and then in 2nd ODI atleast 4 catch was dropped ( nasir=1; Riyad=1, Mominul=2). How come we continue to accept those? Are players made accountable? What about the fielding coach? At some point he need to take the heat.

- What is exactly Riyad doing in the team?

There are some conflict of interest that need to be taken care of. a) tamaim and his chacha; b) Rahim and his Bhaira. To remove any kind of conflict of interest: Uncle need to remove comepletely from team selection (which at last he may have done); and Rahim should be stipped of selection the etam as long as Riyad is in the equation.





Nothing will happen unless BCb has the balls to make the senior players accountable. if you do that, the rest will follow the leader. Right now they are following the wrong leaders.

Agree with pretty much everything here. Also sorry to bring up the old issue again, but what is the role of Jurgensen in all this? What should he do in this situation?

[mufi_02]

Originally Posted by shuziburo
It is easy to call for heads to roll. But, even if we do that, it has to be done methodically. I like the Aussie model the best. Perform or you'll be out. This should definitely be for the players, but also the selectors and BCB officials.

Without accountability, we'll continue this march to mediocrity.

Aussies have tremendous back up players as far as ODIs are concerned. So they have that luxury to drop and pick new players who are able to compete. Okay, let's get rid of our current bolods and have them replaced with new blood (or bolods) from the U-19 team.

[shuziburo]

I will keep anyone who performed in at least one of the matches.

That definitely means Riyad and Nasir. Further, one of Mash/Rubel can be replaced by Al-Amin. Shakib should be dropped to 7 or 8.

On field captaincy should be taken over by the coaches.

[shuziburo]

Originally Posted by mufi_02
Aussies have tremendous back up players as far as ODIs are concerned. So they have that luxury to drop and pick new players who are able to compete. Okay, let's get rid of our current bolods and have them replaced with new blood (or bolods) from the U-19 team.

Aussies did this even when they were not good. It is a matter of culture (of accountability).

[Fazal]

Originally Posted by Habib
Agree with pretty much everything here. Also sorry to bring up the old issue again, but what is the role of Jurgensen in all this? What should he do in this situation?

very valid question. When the team collectively fails and performance is not rewarded, and non-performers get chances, at some point all the heat should come to the head coach.

Why so many dropped catches?
Why non-performers are getting mutiple chances and performers are not rewarded with another game?
Why so many run outs?
Why we repeatedly cannot prevent singles even when the ball goes to close fielders?
Why we cannot take singles?

[Fazal]

Originally Posted by shuziburo
Aussies did this even when they were not good. It is a matter of culture (of accountability).

Exactly. You don't need a bunch of very good players to set a standard and accountability and enforece it. Once you do that, players will get the signal and with not take anything granted.

[shuziburo]

Originally Posted by Fazal
very valid question. When the team collectively fails and performanc is not rewarded, and non-performers get chances, at some point you all the heat should come to the head coach.

Why some many dropped catches?
Why non-performers are getting mutiple chances and performers are not rewarded?
Why so many run outs?
Why we repeatedly cannot prevent singles even when the ball goes to close fielders?

Need to hold some "boot camps."

[mufi_02]

Originally Posted by shuziburo
Aussies did this even when they were not good. It is a matter of culture (of accountability).

Aussies were always good in ODIs (last 20 years). Even when the golden generation left, they had enough competent players sitting on the bench. They have the luxury of sitting Watson, Warner, David Hussey, Katich, Nannes, Hodge, Shaun Marsh, Callum Ferguson, Cameron White and many more to rotate. These are just the players on top of my head and there are many more. We have no player sitting on the bench that have the talent, skills, temperament as any of the guys mentioned above.

[Alvi]

Our players are lacking the hunger to score runs anymore. We can't use the Aussie model because we don't have anyone to replace Shakib or Nasir.

Before the problem used to be that we simply sucked and were no match for the top teams. Now our players have gotten better so they think they are too good for the team...ridiculous.

[SMHasan]

I like you peoples ideas. Bringing in Naeem, dropping Mullah etc. These should have done today, not after losing the valuable series.

The main problem with the team selection is: we evaluate players based on past, based on fame and based on personal relationsship. If we can't change these criterias then there is no hope for us.

Why we dropped Al Amin? Because Mash is better than him? Al Amin bowled enough in this series. Why we kept playing Shakib or Mullah instead of Naeem? Beacuse Shakib carries more weight? We ignored a player who scored 2 beautiful innings and helped us Banglawash NZ. We cannot evaluate anything, I think we need to evaluate ourselves first.

If fame and weight wins over hard work and sincerity then we will keep losing games as we do now.

[shuziburo]

Originally Posted by mufi_02
Aussies were always good in ODIs (last 20 years). Even when the golden generation left, they had enough competent players sitting on the bench. They have the luxury of sitting Watson, Warner, David Hussey, Katich, Nannes, Hodge, Shaun Marsh, Callum Ferguson, Cameron White and many more to rotate. These are just the players on top of my head and there are many more. We have no player sitting on the bench that have the talent, skills, temperament as any of the guys mentioned above.

I am talking about all the years after Warwick Armstrong. (Don't know much about Aussie cricket before that, except about Trumper.) This is how they always chose the team. Good players might get a few extra games, but no place was ever guaranteed.

[shuziburo]

Although Shakib bowled well, maybe he should sit the next game. Maybe that will send a message.

[Jadukor]

Drop ryad pick naeem. Replace injured tamim with kayes and bring him in place of anamul
1.Shamsur
2.Kayes
3.mominul
4.Naeem
5.Mushfiq
6.anamul
7.Shakib
8. Nasir
9. Arafat
10. Al amin
11. Rubel

[WarWolf]

I have few simple questions.

How could all the good performers like Shakib, Nasir became complacent at the same? Money, fame ruined them all at the same time?
How come the whole team forgot to hold catches at the same time?
Where did the fighting body language go?

To me, something is wrong with the team chemistry. Whatever may this be, I don't have any idea. It can be a lot of things like grouping, wrong team management, wrong team selection. But I feel something must be wrong inside the team.

[shuziburo]

Each of the past few years, the team improved each year. We are seeing BIG regression this year. We should reward good performance and punish bad ones.

[mufi_02]

Originally Posted by shuziburo
I am talking about all the years after Warwick Armstrong. (Don't know much about Aussie cricket before that, except about Trumper.) This is how they always chose the team. Good players might get a few extra games, but no place was ever guaranteed.

My bad then. I have never even heard of Warwick. I have followed Aussie cricket very closely since 1995. It's the one team beside BD that I always follow. But your assumption still is very true even today. They are a strict team with no room for complacent behaviors. Perform or Perish is their motto. Doesn't matter if you were Mark Waugh, McGill, or the son of Geoff Marsh. You will be dropped if you don't perform.

Shakib and Tamim are so complacent nowadays. I don't mind if they play responsibly but gets out. Tamim has little bit of that idea. He was playing well in the 2nd innings 2nd test and according to situation. But Shakib is still very careless.