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December 13, 2004, 09:10 PM
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most talented BD batsmen
who do you think are the most talented bangladesh batsmen out there? this includes all levels, domestic, and int'l.
so far only 2 make my list:
nafees iqbal and mohammad ashraful
do u guys think that nafees is as talented as ash, more talented, or less???
Edited on, December 14, 2004, 2:10 AM GMT, by al Furqaan.
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December 13, 2004, 09:22 PM
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Add Kapali and Aftab in too. Ashraful is definitely more talented than Nafis.
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December 13, 2004, 09:25 PM
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Nafis needs to work on his footwork a bit. He is young and I think with work he will get better.
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December 13, 2004, 09:26 PM
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Al Shahriar, Mehrab Hossain, Hannan Sarkar, Ashraful, Kapali: Very talented
Aftab, Nafis: Not as much as the ones above
However, when it comes to how well the talent is converted to performance, it's a different story. Only Ashraful gets points.
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December 13, 2004, 10:30 PM
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Shamsur Rahman, Mushfiqur Rahim.
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December 13, 2004, 10:34 PM
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Street cricketers who makes their own bat and saves money to get a tape tennis ball and plays with heart are the most talented in BD....they are just hiding and because of bad structure of cricket and our board policy their talents never get polished and noticed
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December 13, 2004, 11:40 PM
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Ashraful... Rahman... Sarkar... that's about it. BD needs new talent. Most of the batsmen are consistent failures.
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December 13, 2004, 11:49 PM
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Al Shahriar, Mehrab Hossain, Hannan Sarkar, Ashraful, Kapali: Very talented
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However, when it comes to how well the talent is converted to performance, it's a different story. Only Ashraful gets points.
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I agree with the above points.
Bangladesh have enough talented players. Its the conversion rate (of turning talent to performance) that we don't have and need.
The point of the matter is that only on talent, we can compete with the best in the world, but that talent has to come with patience, determination, commitment and a big heart. Unfortunately, all the above combinations are not seen in all the talented players all at once.
If somebody is talented, hard working, and determined, then the patience is not there; if somebody is hardworking, determined, committed and patient, other virtues are missing.
Which all results in inconsistent performance on the part of the players.
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December 14, 2004, 04:28 AM
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You can add Shahriar Nafees Ahmed to that list, hoping for big things from him in the up and coming tour matches against the Sri Lankans.
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December 14, 2004, 05:30 AM
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I think Shariar hossain is also talented.
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December 14, 2004, 11:00 AM
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Here is what our general type of opinion is:
who is the best batsman?: ..................
(fill in the blank for someone who is scoring runs in other places, but hasn't played in int'l matches yet)
who is the worst batsman?: ..................
(fill in the blank who was scoring brilliant runs in other places, but the moment he was put in the int'l team.. he started behaving weird.. n started scoring 2-9 consistantly!)
Edited on, December 14, 2004, 4:04 PM GMT, by crickethorizon.
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December 14, 2004, 11:02 AM
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Every one is talented batsman. Bolwlers like Tapash Kumar, Mashrafee-bin-Murtaza, Enamul Haque etc. are talented batsmen as well.
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December 14, 2004, 11:04 AM
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Ashraful
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December 14, 2004, 11:12 AM
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BanglaCricket Staff
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Bangladesh have enough talented players. Its the conversion rate (of turning talent to performance) that we don't have and need.
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I liked this remark by fw.
BD doesn't really have a bunch of raw genuin by-born-batting talents who can be called real master.. but what we got is prtty much potential.
these guys can be converted to a combined match-winning team (not match winning players in each of them).. but something is very much wrong with the 'Conversion Process' as a whole
Most of our current batsmen are not product of high-grade club cricket... I think that surely has something to do with their shakyness in big matches.
Edited on, December 14, 2004, 4:13 PM GMT, by crickethorizon.
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December 14, 2004, 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by bourny3
Shamsur Rahman, Mushfiqur Rahim.
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December 14, 2004, 12:20 PM
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Can you define a talented batsman, what are the characteristics of a talented batsman.
But these batsmen will always be remebered hopefully in BD cricket,
aminul islam bulbul, ashraful, rajin saleh, alok kapali.
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December 14, 2004, 12:50 PM
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Talent in the current squad is Ashraful, Kapali, Hannan. Rajin is hard worker, Nafis plays a lot of airy shots as far as i can recall, and he's not sure about his footwork!
Talent in the old squad- Bulbul and i thought Akram Khan too with the ease that he used to play and Athar with his sure foot movements!
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December 14, 2004, 01:06 PM
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my pick:
90's : Athahar ali khan, Aminul Islam, Akram khan, Nannu
Now: Ashraful, Nafis, Bashar. Rafiq, Rana and Tapash all has the potential to score decent runs.
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December 14, 2004, 03:40 PM
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You guys missed all the talented batsmen...
they are:
Rafiq, pilot, Rana, ....
All the bowlers of bd team
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December 14, 2004, 04:57 PM
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Free as it is to express opinions, we tend to enjoy a wide sway about what each of us mean by talent. I retain to define it as an exposure of instinctive aptitude to something, which is cricket as in our discussion. Of course it can only be experienced through an extent of exposure, though it might be there even if there is no exposure. But since we are not talking ideas, we cannot dispose the importance of exposure.
Greatness is manifested by the achievment earned by blending talent and hard work. In general, some (a lot, that is) of both should be there. If someone is short of paramount talent, he may be able to make that good with hard work.
Now hard work, or for that matter work in general, tantamounts to assumed physical and mental skills through adaptive learning process. Since work is one multiplying factor, there should be non-zero work to have a minimum exposure of the talent.
Since this thread was supposed to be all about talent, my thought is this: to get the measure of talent, one way might be, generally speaking, to take the 'work' part out of the achievment of each player, and to see what he is left with.
In my opinion, (given the thoughtlessness that he displays in his play (and after-play)) Basher's achievement may easily single out the superiority of his talent. His failure to reign his instinct might have doomed the team this (and some other, if any) series, but (or may be for this very reason), it goes to manifest his talent anyway. Now, whether we care or not for non-yielding talent, is a whole different story.
Ashraful would come next, in my opinion. And probably Rafique, Nafis, Kapali, Hannan etc. Among these bunch, hard work has given Rafique a fine edge towards the 'idea of greatness'. On the other hand, incidental factors like 'lean patch', 'lost form', 'mental block' etc have worked against offering better exposure of talent for Kapali and Hannan.
Mashud, Rana and Taposh could be categorized into the one that is overly returned by their vocation to 'hard work' part. And Rajin is on the verge of missing this clique, again possibly due to those foretold incidental factors.
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December 14, 2004, 05:07 PM
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Rana is the most telented player
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December 14, 2004, 07:47 PM
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rana is not talented. he's just hard working. i say we throw a bunch of hard working non talented batsmen into the national team from the next series
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December 15, 2004, 12:11 AM
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Atahar Ali is the most talented........
and in the current team Rafiq
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December 15, 2004, 12:32 AM
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My simplistic formula is
Success = Talent X performance
If performance = 0
then Talent cannot be determined
Hence the statements that A or B or C is the most talented is an exercise in futility in the absence of Success which depends on performance.
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December 15, 2004, 10:42 PM
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I now agree with a thread about a batsman hunt programme just like the grameen bowler hunt programme- in fact we should continue such programmes all over the country!
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