Bangladesh cricket was always overrated by the fans and the media

[jashan83]

Originally Posted by zman
Here's what a famous author said in one of his books-don't recall the name right now-to naysayers who keep asking questions like what's the point of this and and what's the point of that?...in the long run we're all gonna be dead, right? so what's the point of doing anything at all?...
now I wonder since you know with certainty you're going to be buried one day, have you started digging your grave already?

I just followed u.....u started to dig yours. And a quote without the name of author........ man the real stud is here

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by jashan83
Kindly give me the no of 10 tests and how all teams have fared. And also whom did Bangladesh play against.

Bangladesh lost 107 runs lost 2nd v Sri Lanka Dhaka 26 Dec 2008 investigate this query
Bangladesh lost 465 runs lost 2nd v Sri Lanka Chittagong 3 Jan 2009 investigate this query
Bangladesh won 95 runs won(Against a sub standard team) 1st v West Indies Kingstown 9 Jul 2009 investigate this query
Bangladesh won 4 wickets won(Against a sub standard team) 2nd v West Indies St George's 17 Jul 2009 investigate this query
Bangladesh lost 113 runs won 2nd v India Chittagong 17 Jan 2010 investigate this query
Bangladesh lost 10 wickets won 1st v India Dhaka 24 Jan 2010 investigate this query
Bangladesh lost 121 runs won 2nd v New Zealand Hamilton 15 Feb 2010 investigate this query
Bangladesh lost 181 runs won 2nd v England Chittagong 12 Mar 2010 investigate this query
Bangladesh lost 9 wickets won 1st v England Dhaka 20 Mar 2010 investigate this query
Bangladesh lost 8 wickets won 2nd v England Lord's 27 May 2010 investigate this query
Bangladesh lost inns & 80 runs lost 2nd v England Manchester 4 Jun 2010

Do you have any substance. Look at last 11 matches. 2 Matches won against a Sub Standard WI who had filed a team when 20 YES 20 PLAYERS did not sign the contracr.

Look at other matches. All bloody thrashing. Not loosing by an inning is nothing. Even the Dud 3rd test we loose big time. the closest victory is some 120 runs. Lol. And you still expect a test status. Rather we should be stripped of it.

Here is the Pakistani performance

Pakistan lost 150 runs won 2nd v Australia Lord's 13 Jul 2010 investigate this query
Pakistan won 3 wickets lost 2nd v Australia Leeds 21 Jul 2010 investigate this query
Pakistan lost 354 runs lost 2nd v EnglandHere we had spot fixing row Nottingham 29 Jul 2010 investigate this query
Pakistan lost 9 wickets won 1st v EnglandHere we had spot fixing row Birmingham 6 Aug 2010 investigate this query
Pakistan won 4 wickets lost 2nd v EnglandHere we had spot fixing row The Oval 18 Aug 2010 investigate this query
Pakistan lost inns & 225 runs won 2nd v EnglandHere we had spot fixing row Lord's 26 Aug 2010 investigate this query
Pakistan draw - lost 2nd v South Africa Dubai 12 Nov 2010 investigate this query
Pakistan draw - won 2nd v South Africa Abu Dhabi 20 Nov 2010 investigate this query
Pakistan won 10 wickets won 2nd v New Zealand Hamilton 7 Jan 2011 investigate this query
Pakistan draw - lost 2nd v New Zealand Wellington 15 Jan 2011

Here is a team which was at its all time lowest, under such a big controversy but in last 10 test they still managed to win 3, Drew 3 matches. It is not like they won 2 against a substandard team and got thrashing against all 8.

Again come with figured. Just dont just come out with a random thing. All is in from of you. WE DO NOT DESERVE TEST STATUS

HAHAHA...so now its about "margin" of victory. Funny no mentioned that till just now. Before it was "bangladesh lose 60% of their matches by an innings...blah, blah, blah".

First of all, genius, Test cricket is played over 5 days and aprox 400 overs of cricket. Because of this the average margin of each match is considerably greater than either ODI or T20 cricket.

The average margin of the last 20 Tests to have results, played between the established sides is the following:

by runs:

innings + 83 (AUS lost)
87 (SA lost)
innings + 157 (AUS lost)
innings + 25 (IND lost)
267 (ENG lost)
innings + 71 (AUS lost)
innings + 198 (NZ lost)
innings + 225 (PAK lost)
354 (PAK lost)
150 (PAK lost)
163 (WI losst)
176 (NZ lost)
innings + 57 (SA lost)
innings + 6 (IND lost)
innings + 74 (ENG lost)
231 (PAK lost)
36 (PAK lost)
innings + 98 (SA lost)
170 (PAK lost)
35 (WI lost)

by wickets:

10 (NZ lost)
7 (AUS lost)
1 (AUS lost)
4 (ENG lost)
9 (PAK lost)
5 (SL lost)
3 (AUS lost)
10 (IND lost)
7 (WI lost)
10 (NZ lost)
7 (PAK lost)
10 (WI lost)
10 (NZ lost)
9 (AUS lost)
6 (AUS lost)
6 (ENG lost)
8 (IND lost)
6 (SA lost)
5 (ENG lost)
10 (ENG lost)

avg margin = 143/20 = more than 7 wickets. only 3 out of 20 results by less than 5 wickets.

So there we are, genius. Bravo, 2.5 games out of 20 where the games are close whether by runs or by wickets. So what can we learn from this excercise? That almost 85% of test matches have margins greater than 100 runs or 5 wickets. Sample size = 20, and hence begins to be statisically valid.

source data

Now the idea that a Drawn test match is automatically a "close" game. Nice try. But I've already got this one covered as you will see here.

the most relevant bit for myopic people being:

originally posted by me
the idea that simply by drawing a test, it means the match was competitive is absolutely not true.

[riankhan]

Bangladesh is over-rated by few of our over-enthusiastic or over-expected or less-literate or too-passionate fans.

Then again, Bangladesh is under-rated by few of our less-enthusiastic or under-expected or miss-literate or hopeless fans.

Its never possible to fill all the sits of a 'satisfaction' train, which is always traveling. But I decided to accompany them (BD cricket) for rest of my life.

[jashan83]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
HAHAHA...so now its about "margin" of victory. Funny no mentioned that till just now. Before it was "bangladesh lose 60% of their matches by an innings...blah, blah, blah".

First of all, genius, Test cricket is played over 5 days and aprox 400 overs of cricket. Because of this the average margin of each match is considerably greater than either ODI or T20 cricket.

The average margin of the last 20 Tests to have results, played between the established sides is the following:

by runs:

innings + 83 (AUS lost)
87 (SA lost)
innings + 157 (AUS lost)
innings + 25 (IND lost)
267 (ENG lost)
innings + 71 (AUS lost)
innings + 198 (NZ lost)
innings + 225 (PAK lost)
354 (PAK lost)
150 (PAK lost)
163 (WI losst)
176 (NZ lost)
innings + 57 (SA lost)
innings + 6 (IND lost)
innings + 74 (ENG lost)
231 (PAK lost)
36 (PAK lost)
innings + 98 (SA lost)
170 (PAK lost)
35 (WI lost)

by wickets:

10 (NZ lost)
7 (AUS lost)
1 (AUS lost)
4 (ENG lost)
9 (PAK lost)
5 (SL lost)
3 (AUS lost)
10 (IND lost)
7 (WI lost)
10 (NZ lost)
7 (PAK lost)
10 (WI lost)
10 (NZ lost)
9 (AUS lost)
6 (AUS lost)
6 (ENG lost)
8 (IND lost)
6 (SA lost)
5 (ENG lost)
10 (ENG lost)

avg margin = 143/20 = more than 7 wickets. only 3 out of 20 results by less than 5 wickets.

So there we are, genius. Bravo, 2.5 games out of 20 where the games are close whether by runs or by wickets. So what can we learn from this excercise? That almost 85% of test matches have margins greater than 100 runs or 5 wickets. Sample size = 20, and hence begins to be statisically valid.

source data

Now the idea that a Drawn test match is automatically a "close" game. Nice try. But I've already got this one covered as you will see here.

the most relevant bit for myopic people being:

Wow, throw some numbers, and Drwan test don't matter what a genius in you. We should keep loosing or win against sub standard teams, still we did better than Pakistan. We Bangladeshi's cannot even force a draw still we will throw all crap behind it to prove it is a good team. What to say Mr Genius

[tejkuni]

Originally Posted by jashan83
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Zimbabwe got test status in 1992 and by 2002 they actually had started winning series. They won in Pakistan, defeated India at zimbabwe in test series.............

New Zealand won their first test after 26 years, India 20 years, Sri Lanka 15 years.
New Zealand has the record of getting all out for 29. They used to play the second teams of England, Australia, and west Indies. First 10-15 of their test status, they used to play 4 day test.

[Catskills]

I don't think it was ever overrated. We just always belived in our team, its progress and supported them. If it were always overrated then 58 and 78 against WI and SA were the norm? I think not...

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by jashan83
Wow, throw some numbers, and Drwan test don't matter what a genius in you. We should keep loosing or win against sub standard teams, still we did better than Pakistan. We Bangladeshi's cannot even force a draw still we will throw all crap behind it to prove it is a good team. What to say Mr Genius

you asked for numbers...i showed you the numbers in the last 20 tests with results to show you that no less than 17 out of 20 had "large margins"...margins just as large and in many cases far larger than our average margin.

i'm not saying bangladesh is a good team. you are saying bangladesh is a shitty team. all i'm saying is that bangladesh have made vast strides in the past 2 months or so, and will continue to make strides even if you act like the genius that you are.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/62617.html

here is just one example out of many in which a drawn test is a not a close game. cricket is a unique sport in which a draw can be earned by mere survival, and in many instances a team can compete much more evenly and still lose. a true genius should understand as much.

[satz]

I felt The current bangladesh team does not have enough experience to go further.

You need a pool of players with 8 years of experience and over 25 years of age ,since development mentally does have some correlation with age.

What brought SL out of minnow status was a pool of senior batsmen who have been batting since the late 80's- seniors aravinda and ranatunga followed by mahanama,tillekeratne,jayasuriya .

For the big matches,senior players will determine the outcomes.

By the 1996 wc, they all had around 7-8 years of solid experience,aravinda/ranatunga 10+ and they were able to raise to the
occasion.

The right players have to be identified and they have to last for 8 years.

Some of your batsmen like tamim,zunaid already look the part.I have only doubts over raqibul.

Persist with the best talent through ups and downs, eventually the rankings will go higher.

Any big expectations in the near future will not happen.

[Joamiq]

I have to say, I agree with the OP on this one. I've always been astounded at how the media overplays our small successes and increases our expectations of the team tenfold. Let's be honest: our best players would be minor role players on the better teams. Frankly the top associate teams look better than us right now. One shouldn't overreact to a bad performance here or there, but two of the three worst batting performances of all time for full members in the World Cup... that just doesn't happen to teams that deserve test status. Don't get me wrong, I don't want our test status revoked, but there's a big gap between Bangladesh and WI/NZ. Frankly, Ireland is looking better than us these days - O'Brien and Stirling are better than anyone we have.

[Shaan]

Originally Posted by satz
I felt The current bangladesh team does not have enough experience to go further.

You need a pool of players with 8 years of experience and over 25 years of age ,since development mentally does have some correlation with age.

What brought SL out of minnow status was a pool of senior batsmen who have been batting since the late 80's- seniors aravinda and ranatunga followed by mahanama,tillekeratne,jayasuriya .

For the big matches,senior players will determine the outcomes.

By the 1996 wc, they all had around 7-8 years of solid experience,aravinda/ranatunga 10+ and they were able to raise to the
occasion.

The right players have to be identified and they have to last for 8 years.

Some of your batsmen like tamim,zunaid already look the part.I have only doubts over raqibul.

Persist with the best talent through ups and downs, eventually the rankings will go higher.

Any big expectations in the near future will not happen.

these are the things some of us don't understand/don't want to understand/don't even consider to understand in this Forum, even our BCB the way they act. We want overnight results

[kfirooz]

Yes Bangladesh cricket is overrated by fans and media. Yes they have limited ability rather than exceptional. But it is not as if Bangaldesh team is useless. The fans must be realistically supportive of the team and let it evolve into being a top team. Remember this is still a period of evolution and over jubilation at victory and despair at defeat won't help.

[Baundule]

Originally Posted by jashan83
Can anyone explain what is a troll?????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

[lamisa]

all newspapers don't hype it up!!!i think DS is fair. PA used to be good too before they fell in love with ashraful and shakib!

[jashan83]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
you asked for numbers...i showed you the numbers in the last 20 tests with results to show you that no less than 17 out of 20 had "large margins"...margins just as large and in many cases far larger than our average margin.

i'm not saying bangladesh is a good team. you are saying bangladesh is a shitty team. all i'm saying is that bangladesh have made vast strides in the past 2 months or so, and will continue to make strides even if you act like the genius that you are.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/62617.html

here is just one example out of many in which a drawn test is a not a close game. cricket is a unique sport in which a draw can be earned by mere survival, and in many instances a team can compete much more evenly and still lose. a true genius should understand as much.

If you have seen today's match then I need not say anything. Today's match has shown what I have written and I am not wrong in my criticism. A Test Team should not be massacred like this. Now you can throw as many number you want, any point I will not mind RIP. The P6 teams are right in not playing many ODI Test series with us. What is the use
After today's match I came to point that watson hitting those sixes stopped hurting. I rather started to admire his cricketing skills

[zainab]

Bangladesh cannot win against the stronger teams, maybe ZIM, ireland, Netherlands and the other Associates. The win against NZ was a rarity and they did beat a second string WI team. After watching NZ perform in the WC, it will be hard for BD to beat them again, but they can beat WI if they play well.

[DJ Sahastra]

Is Bangladesh Cricket Over-rated - No.
Is Bangladesh Cricket Over-rated by fans and media - No.
Are they worthy of a Test status - Yes, as much as India and NZ were when they got their statuses.
Have they done enough to not raise questions on their Test Status - No. leave the statitistics warrior who will want to show how many years it took for India or NZ to win their first Test or Series. For people who understand and follow the game, the answer is a No.
Should Bangladesh be stripped of its Test Status - No. This is a useless question.
Should Bangladesh be compelled to improve its domestic structure and overall quality of cricketers - yes and a meaningful point following a useless question.
Does Al Furqaan's long statistical dig on "margins of defeat" prove anything - No. Using individual match margin of defeat doesn't prove or disapprove competitiveness. Bangladesh's problem is not the margin of defeat but the overall competitiveness. They are certainly more competitive today than 5 years ago but overall progress is still not par to the course.

Finally, any fan who merely visits the forum to remind how poor Bangladesh team is, is here with an agenda that is definitely not consistent with an sports fan/lover.

[Sakib]

i blame the kiwis for over inflating our expectations. and zimbabwe too. not cool.