Why are Muslims so violent and intolerant?

[Naimul_Hd]

Originally Posted by F6_Turbo
Protest was fine...shundor kore namaz porlo(plenty of security around...) all they had to do was...make a couple of statements and then go away.

That was actually the plan what i heard. But few thugs came from nowhere and started spreading fear among general public by running on the streets and then fighting with the cops.

Originally Posted by F6_Turbo
So don't go crying anywhere, when they keep decreasing the number of students allowed in from muslim countries and if your PR approval keeps getting pushed back.

People think it's bad now, wait till Abbott and his crew get in.

Govt does not need to do anything, the number of students has already been decreased by huge number. Thanks to PR system and lack of official jobs. Govt's earnings have already gone down heavily since they made rules tougher. Now Aussie govt is trying to make rules easy (already eased few requirements for Visa) so that more international students come to Aus and that includes Muslim countries too.

Money talks brother.

[F6_Turbo]

Originally Posted by Naimul_Hd
That was actually the plan what i heard. But few thugs came from nowhere and started spreading fear among general public by running on the streets and then fighting with the cops.




Govt does not need to do anything, the number of students has already been decreased by huge number. Thanks to PR system and lack of official jobs. Govt's earnings have already gone down heavily since they made rules tougher. Now Aussie govt is trying to make rules easy (already eased few requirements for Visa) so that more international students come to Aus and that includes Muslim countries too.

Money talks brother.

It was easy back in my day

http://i.imgur.com/IjMc3.jpg

[zinatf]

What were they thinking gosh! It's disgraceful. Thank you very much for adding more disgrace to the already tarnished reputation of Muslims worldwide.

[Naimul_Hd]

Originally Posted by F6_Turbo
It was easy back in my day

http://i.imgur.com/IjMc3.jpg

Yeah, i know. Even i got through quite easily. Only notable requirement was to get 7+ in all bands in IELTS, which was not a problem for me. But now they made it 8+ in all bands (which is not that tough but most of the students fall short in one band, its becoming a business now) and some changes in 'Age' criteria.

Anyway, like you, i have now dual citizenship

Sorry for off topic discussion.

[Maysun]

Meanwhile, a religious foundation in Iran has increased the reward from $2.8m to $3.3m for Salman Rushdie's head.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/ir...-report-268112

[Ajfar]

Ever since the first mosque opened in Harrisonburg, Va., 14 years ago, the immigrants from Pakistan, Iraq and other countries who worship there say they have felt welcomed in the rural college town. They participate in local food banks and shelter programs, have close relations with local churches and often receive non-Muslim visitors at their weekly prayer services.

So on Friday, worshipers were shocked when they arrived at the mosque to find graffiti scrawled on the building, including obscene and racial insults against “Irakis” and a warning: “This is America,” followed by another slur. Some speculated that the sudden harassment must have sprung from the anti-American violence that has swept the Middle East over a vulgar anti-Muslim video made in the United States.

“Nothing like this has ever happened to us before, even after 9/11,” said Ehsan Ahmed, a director of the Islamic Center of Harrisonburg mosque and an economics professor at nearby James Madison University. “We have always been welcomed here, and we participate in many community activities. We can’t say what their motive was, but the timing is very coincidental.”

In Harrisonburg, members of the vandalized mosque said they were immediately bolstered by sympathetic support from the community. A city council member hastily set up a Web site called “We are all Harrisonburg” and invited residents to attend a solidarity meeting at the mosque Sunday. More than 500 people signed up.

Source: Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...4e1_story.html

I had a feeling small attacks on mosque like this one was going to start as a result of what happened in Libya. I hope muslim's in America won't do anything foolish to make things worse.

[Electrequiem]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
a) A good 70% of the muslim world is illiterate in 2012. Over the last 1500 years that % has very nearly been 100. Furthermore, majority of world's men would love divine sanction to whip their women into shape...not much incentive to look into the real meaning.

WTF kind of a claim is that... Cool statement, bro.

I agree with that. But that doesn't mean the Quran necessarily sanctions 100% of Muslims actions and views. It should but it doesn't. My monthly Hustler subscription should attest to that...then again you are likely to think the meaning of the word "haneefa" legitimizes pornography.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Actually I came into the thread after you did with your rabid Islamophobia and fear-mongering.

Oh, so your Muslim apologist tripe came AFTER my "rabid islamophobia and fear-mongering." FEAR-MONGERING? Come on, man ... I mongered FEAR in you? You're dropping labels like they are nothing. Consult your dear friend Webster again?

LOL, there ain't even a lot of Mormons in Utah...lol. Either way, Mormons don't get movies made about them every year. Mormonism is hardly insulted here in the Bible Belt...and I live here so I know what I'm talking about. If you ask a Evangelical he will say "I don't believe they're Christian" but when was the last time Terry Jones burned a bunch of gold plates? Or people opposed the building of a Mormon temple in rural Arkansa? When was the last time lawmakers gathered to prevent Mormons from living their lives as their religion currently dictates? All that has happened in America...how many American Muslims have rioted?

If you don't think the Mormons have ANY reasons to riot just as much as the Muslims (considering riot is a reasonable means of vocalizing your dissent) then I will stop here. Case in point - look at South Park, Joseph Smith's caricatures, etc etc.

Besides, Ahmadiyyas fit the description of religious intolerance you cited - they have all been called "not Muslims," had their mosques raided and people murdered, lawmakers gathered to pass bills "trying to prevent them from living their lives as their religion currently dictates" - but they don't go apesh*t in the streets, either.

My atheist buddy Greg had death threats on him in Kenya cuz he told the pastor of a local church to f*** off. Christianity is, relative to most other religions a very pacifistic faith...so what gives? Duh, most folks in Kenya are poor and and don't have the socioeconomic incentive to just let things be. Not to mention that lack of religion didn't stop Lenin, Stalin or Mao from killing boat loads of people and didn't stop Eric and Dillon from shooting up a school full of Christians.

Sure you can do your own research and find out why that last sentence of yours is a boatload of tripe?

Since I'm a generous guy, I'll make a deal with you. If you acknowledge you hate Islam and Muslims, I'll STFU for the rest of this thread as it pertains to you. A muslim is bound to honor is promises and I wouldn't want to look bad in front of this whole forum.

Oh, so you want me to agree to live up to your bizarre preconceived notion about me? No can do.

Criticism =/= hating Islam and Muslims. Apologists don't get that, though. [/QUOTE]

[oronnya]

[Antora]

Originally Posted by oronnya

After readng 9 pages of this thread, this is also my reaction! Ahaha.

[Antora]

Originally Posted by zinatf
What were they thinking gosh! It's disgraceful. Thank you very much for adding more disgrace to the already tarnished reputation of Muslims worldwide.

We should be bracing ourselves Apu, there's going to be one in Melb soon. Although apparently its going to be a peaceful brochure distribution .....

[Zunaid]

Rather than protest that vile but, in the end, inconsequential film, it would be so much better if Muslims all over the world protested the death of the embassy officials in Tunisia.

[PaperTiger]

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...916-260e8.html

[Zunaid]

When will the good folks stand up? All we see from the old country are the usual scenes of violent xenophobic protests by hate-field faces posing for the cameras. Where are the good folks?

And then we have this from the other side:

And this on an American media (CNN) getting top billing.

My Take: It’s time for Islamophobic evangelicals to choose



Editor's Note: Brian D. McLaren is author of "Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road? Christian Identity in a Multi-Faith World" (Jericho Books/Hachette Book Group).

By Brian McLaren, Special to CNN

I was raised as an evangelical Christian in America, and any discussion of Christian-Jewish-Muslim relations around the world must include the phenomenon of American Islamophobia, for which large sectors of evangelical Christianity in America serve as a greenhouse.

At a time when U.S. embassies are being attacked and when people are getting killed over an offensive, adolescent and puerile film targeting Islam - beyond pathetic in its tawdriness – we must begin to own up to the reality of evangelical Islamaphobia.
Many of my own relatives receive and forward pious-sounding and alarm-bell-ringing e-mails that trumpet (IN LOTS OF CAPITAL LETTERS WITH EXCLAMATION POINTS!) the evils of Islam, that call their fellow evangelicals and charismatics to prayer and “spiritual warfare” against those alleged evils, and that often - truth be told - contain lots of downright lies.

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Where are our voices of conscience?

Lip service in an internet forum dedicated to a game is not sufficient.

[PoorFan]

Is this 'Behead all' message come through just mere misinterpretation from holly books? Who, when, where, how given this mentality a birth? These boys, or their relatives, where did they learned that mentality, in school? In their family or society? As if prophet Muhammad would be happy to see a beheaded body or his followers doing so to another human being, because that human criticize him?

These placard and the message required much more effort than just little anger or feeling offended, nor this message is not an instant invent either, rather an evidence of long religious cultural history that still inherited this day. Right or wrong is beyond any question in some mind and places, but my point is its history long existence and acceptance till date.

Fact is Al-Qaeeda, Taliban, Shahabes, Salafist or such, cooked up own doctrine in the name of very religion Islam, and being such violent, intolerant in every little aspect of life, against same race and even Muslims, such as blowing up schools, killing for being non-beard, ... are not just born out of thin air. These fanatic violent and intolerant mind now surfaced in every other Muslim land, and still growing fast, can be a product of cooked up or misinterpretation or plain nutcase or whatever we may like to call, but the fact remains that their source is the religion Islam itself, and there is ample room for doing so. Their fast growing and wide existance, acceptance all over the Muslim world is the proof.

We Muslims should aware/recognize of this fact as reality, and at least should raise voice against being robbed by these fanatic mentality.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by Electrequiem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

wrong fallacy.

Oh, so your Muslim apologist tripe came AFTER my "rabid islamophobia and fear-mongering." FEAR-MONGERING? Come on, man ... I mongered FEAR in you? You're dropping labels like they are nothing. Consult your dear friend Webster again?

I would consult webster...except that you'd tell me Webster is wrong. Why bother?

If you don't think the Mormons have ANY reasons to riot just as much as the Muslims (considering riot is a reasonable means of vocalizing your dissent) then I will stop here. Case in point - look at South Park, Joseph Smith's caricatures, etc etc.

South Park's objective is comedy NOT prejudice. Further it makes fun of everyone (Muslims included), NOT Mormons exclusively. Danish cartoons, this movie, Geert-Hirsi Ali, Robert Spencer, Michelle Bachmann, Daniel Pipes, et al have political agendas and their motivation is not to entertain but rather a "call to arms".

Besides, Ahmadiyyas fit the description of religious intolerance you cited - they have all been called "not Muslims," had their mosques raided and people murdered, lawmakers gathered to pass bills "trying to prevent them from living their lives as their religion currently dictates" - but they don't go apesh*t in the streets, either.

a) The Ahmadis have the exact same Quran that Muslims have...so its not the Quran now is it?

b) 99.999% of muslims didn't go "ape ****" either.

c) Its ingeneous as heck to compare [relatively] monolithic groups like Mormons, Ahmadiyyas, Scientologists, Jehova's Witnesses and anyone else with such a diverse group like Muslims.

Sure you can do your own research and find out why that last sentence of yours is a boatload of tripe?

So the lack of religion did prevent Stalin from sending millions to the gulag?

Criticism =/= hating Islam and Muslims. Apologists don't get that, though.

Labels, shmabels.

*****

But to go back to an earlier assumption you made about me suddenly realizing that wife-beating is "not cool" and hence my neo-definition...that is very good try. However futile.

Under that premise, I would also have to re-define limb amputations for thieves and floggings for fornicators and drunkards. If and and until someone can prove to me the Quran is again mistranslated, I stand behind that. [anticipates "if the quran can't be understood..." cliche].

I am anticipating a response of "...if you think this, then I have nothing more to say" followed by some more sniffling about "labels" followed by another series of giving me rules your wholly unable and unwilling to play by.

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I now have some things to attend to - should have been attending to before but battling online Islamophobes is a bit addictive - so I'll limit myself to the cricket forum for the next week or so. You're welcome to PM me.

[Zeeshan]

acha tumra judon ki Schopenhauer'er hard knock school Ja-y z er theke paash taash kora naki...hehehe hehe....chaliye jau...bhaloi to torko bitorko Great Debater denzel wasahington hoche go dekhi..

[Zunaid]

I will be brutally honest and, of course, speaking for myself - I don't give a rodent's behind about the content of alf and eq's 'discussion'. I've lost a few minutes of my life glancing through it. I wish it to disappear. Poof!

PS: Not disparaging the posters whose other posts I do read with alacrity and interest.

[Electrequiem]

http://campaign.r20.constantcontact....Yo1UW1keuFg%3D

Muslim letter campaign to send condolences to Ambassador Stevens' grieving family. Over 4000 letters sent in the past 2 days.

:thumbsup:

[HereWeGo]

My condolences to the late ambassador and embassy staff who lost their lives. May their soul get eternal peace and the murderer get the gallows.

These protests are getting from absolutely annoying to beyond ridiculous.....

[zinatf]

Originally Posted by Antora
We should be bracing ourselves Apu, there's going to be one in Melb soon. Although apparently its going to be a peaceful brochure distribution .....

[patriot]

[BANFAN]

What's the difference between these so called Muslim (Non Govt) terrorists and the Christian/Jewish terrorism (Government)

What's the difference between, Iranian Nuclear scientists being assassinated by the Israeli agents and US ambassador being killed by the private protesters?? We react a lot in the later and we keep quiet in the first. Problem isn't with Muslims, it's with the so called people like us who always shout when it's safe to shout out loud.

There was no Islamic extremism prior to the time there was Israel, there was no Islamic terrorism outside Palestine prior to the fall of Soviet union and US shifted it's focus on the Middle eastern oil. US naked support for all the corrupt puppets of the middle east deprives the people and ignites them against the oppression supported and backed by the US and it's allies. That gives birth to extremism. Some people might try to justify that by misinterpreting the Quran or Erronous Hadith to gain popular support for the movements/Actions... But the truth is ... All these are political and people are resorting to these extreme measures against the oppression of the tyrants. We know when you are ruled by tyrants for centuries, extreme measure do come in. Our movement against the British rule was also extreme irrespective of religion. We had people of multiple religion so we didn't need to use religion to unite people.

Islam is still a religion which is practiced by a large number of people, unlike any other religion, which are limited to holidays and celebrations only. It's a planned effort by those to defame Islam. And some people like us give those propagandas a different dimension by shouting out loud... Because its safe to do that. It's in four of the tyrants, so no chance of risk... Etc..

Expressions looks like .. Ek ek ..Jon avatars of humanity... If you are so... Go and see the results of such tyrannic politics all over the world... How many people are starving to death every day, how many people are dying without medicine... Talk on behalf of them... But I know talking in favor of the stained US ambassador and anti Islam is safe and can make you look smart or intelligent etc etc... All damn fake people and show off....

It's the tyranic western politics and their interest, that makes Muslims look like that... Two world wars weren't fought by the Muslims my friend....

[Zunaid]

Does the West force your ideological brothers to pack a car full of explosives and blow up a mosque full of worshipers?

Your post implies that you are condoning the murder of innocents in the name of religion. Shame.

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by Zunaid
Does the West force your ideological brothers to pack a car full of explosives and blow up a mosque full of worshipers?

Your post implies that you are condoning the murder of innocents in the name of religion. Shame.

I think I have said enough straight forward, since you have nothing to say on that, I guess you went into the implied meaning.

To clear that, No I'm equally unhappy about killing anyone on either side. But definitely the parties in conflict aren't unhappy of killing the other parties in retaliation.

I don't know where actually I did hurt you... If you are taking a stand on US killings and are condoning those millions murdered, supporting those millions leading miserable life's in conflict zones due to American policies and only care for when an American is murdered ... That's a shame indeed.

IPS: I have never linked these killings with religion in my previous post... So your typical reaction of "in the name of religion" is quiet irrelevant. I have rather tried to say, these are not related to religion. Please re-read.

[mufi_02]

Originally Posted by BANFAN
Expressions looks like .. Ek ek ..Jon avatars of humanity... If you are so... Go and see the results of such tyrannic politics all over the world... How many people are starving to death every day, how many people are dying without medicine... Talk on behalf of them... But I know talking in favor of the stained US ambassador and anti Islam is safe and can make you look smart or intelligent etc etc... All damn fake people and show off....

It's the tyranic western politics and their interest, that makes Muslims look like that... Two world wars weren't fought by the Muslims my friend....

Finally, an intelligent response.