Bowling ..........

[Rubu]

Bowling had been dreadful in this match. But who's fault is this actually? Bowlers? NO.

it is the fault of the selection board who did not pick the right team and the captain who did not rotate the bowling right.

The selectors and many other people read in a text book that in english condition spinners do not work and you need pacers. so the stupid people went for them. Fine, you made a mistake, but what is wrong with those guys. can't they learn from mistake and fix them? How come after 2 test and an ODI against england they did not figure it out that our pacers are no match for english batsman? how come they can't forget that textbook and see with a naked eye? And if it was that they spinners had never been useful, i'd understand. but they are. rafique is performing much better than anyone else except mashrafee. But no, you have to go with pacers. I wonder why are not they bringing in few more "class acts" like talha or munir since the current bunch is not doing anything! What is wrong with bring in rana instead of taposh or nazmul? Oh yeah, he looks ugly when he bats. sorry i forgot that. He would sure bowl better than taposh or nazmul, but that does not matter. but how about bringing him instead of tushar? he can sure add those 15-20 runs that tushar is adding and can add the much needed spin depth to bowling. but thats not possible, he looks ugly.

and then comes suman. how come he never figure out that taposh is having the worst day of his life? why bring him in again and again? to ruin his career? why not try ash for a change? would he get any worse than this?

until all those cricket pundits forget the textbook and learn from real life, we gonna have many more days like this.

[TheWatcher]

Leave Tushar alone Agent, Taposh did enough to be dropped out of the team.

[roaring tigerz]

bowling was absolutely shoddy today. the pitch is as flat as it gets. any team would concede 275+ on this ground. but what disappointed me most was the absolute lack of imagination in our bowling. short and wide balls, full tosses, bowling wide on both sides of the wicket ... taposh was abolulely poor during the whole game. his bowling lacked any penetration or consistency whatsoever. his buffet bowling was complemented by heavy dose of extras. i thought mashrafee bowled pretty well in the first spell. rafique and aftab also did a decent job. the england batsmen toying with our bowling was not a pretty sight at all. what showed in this match was, we defintely need a specialist spinner against england. rana has to come in place of taposh next game.taposh has not been himself since the start of this tour...just give him some rest, he will surely come back stronger than ever.

Edited on, June 21, 2005, 5:24 PM GMT, by roaring tigerz.

[Spitfire_x86]

Originally posted by TheWatcher
Leave Tushar alone Agent, Taposh did enough to be dropped out of the team.

Yeah, why Tushar should be dropped?

[Rubu]

Because Rana can score more than tushar. tushar has so far been scoring only a few runs. it is to make a point that rana is better than 2 bowlers and a batsman in the team. and still he is sitting out.

[Ejaj]

I was just simply shocked about Taposh bowling today man. He couldnt bowl one decent bowl to trouble any batsman in his enire 7 overs ( 0 out of 42+8+2= 52 balls).

Jush ShockEd at his quality!!

[ehtasum_]

iknow..... even yesterday taposh gave lots of run away.. altho took some wikets.. and he kept on blowling no . whats up wit that? cant he learn from 2-3 no , that not to do the same thing again... stupid guy... i agree too.. he shud be dropped out..

[Sham]

Originally posted by AgentSmith
Because Rana can score more than tushar. tushar has so far been scoring only a few runs. it is to make a point that rana is better than 2 bowlers and a batsman in the team. and still he is sitting out.

Okay, I want Rana in this team as well, but you make no sense to me. Rana in place of Tushar? HUH??

The bowling today was just awful. Okay so England is batting well, but you don't go out there and bowl all over the place, width outside off-stump, half volleys on leg-stump, how bad were we oh God!!!

[Rubu]

Batsman rana is much better than tushar and bowler rana is much better than taposh or nazmul. what is there not to understand?

[Karim]

THATS WHAT I SAID ANOTHER POST STOP CHANGING PLAYER LIKE MACHER BAZAR. WE ARE IN CRICKET GAME. WE ARE NOT HERE SHOPPING FISH. BANGLADESH CRICKET BOARD STILL HAVE PROBLEM.
LOOK EVERY single cricket team they dont change player so often we do. mannnnnnnnnnnn DAMM HOW S THOSE PLAYER GONNA GET METALLY STRONG AND CONFIDENT. THEY ARE ALWAYS ON PRESSURE IF DONT PLAY GOOD I WONT HERE TOMMROW MATE ITS DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT.

[Sham]

Originally posted by AgentSmith
Batsman rana is much better than tushar

NO!

Till the last match, he was better than Ashraful. Now after Ashraful's innings, he is better than Tushar. If Tushar scores a hundred today, he is going to be better than Golla and you guys will want Rana to open.

Rana is not better than any of our top six. However, he will do better than Nazmul or Taposh, and should play in place of one of them, end of story.

Edited on, June 21, 2005, 5:42 PM GMT, by Sham.

[Rubu]

give me reason.

[Karim]

WHHERES SPINNERS ONLY ONE GUY KHALED WHERE S SHUJON BASHAR CAPTAINCY IS NOT GOOD . TAPOSH BOWLING NOT GOOD AT ALL. MASHRAFEE IS FUTURE SHOULD MAKE HIM PLAY MORE GAME AND TRAIN HIM BETTER. HE HAS GREAT POTENTIAL.

[mahbubH]

It is not very common to see a bowler bowls too many no balls in two consecutive matches. Seems Taposh is not responding to the treatments, if there was any. (I have not watched the first 30 overs of England innings).

[Ejaj]

[quote]Originally posted by AgentSmith
Batsman rana is much better than tushar and bowler rana is much better than taposh or nazmul. what is there not to understand? [/quote


Cant agree at all to you about this. Impossible. I always liked Rana as a good utility bowler who gets wicket because he keeps the line tight and make the batsman work hard for their run. But. as a batsman.. I simply dont agree at all that. he is better than Tushar.

[Sham]

Okay, I'll give you a reason. Tushar has wonderful timing and has shots both sides of the wicket. He got out to a brilliant catch against Australia in trying to up the scoring rate. He has looked pretty good out there, and there is absolutely no reason at this point to take him out of the middle over and bring in a bowler in his place.

Sometimes you guys talk as if Rana scores a 50 in every match. His ODI batting average isn't much better than the 24s that Tushar has scored, so how does that make him a better batsman than Tushar?

Edited on, June 21, 2005, 5:46 PM GMT, by Sham.

[Rubu]

Originally posted by Sham
Till the last match, he was better than Ashraful. Now after Ashraful's innings, he is better than Tushar. If Tushar scores a hundred today, he is going to be better than Golla and you guys will want Rana to open.

Rana is not better than any of our top six. However, he will do better than Nazmul or Taposh, and should play in place of one of them, end of story.

i never said rana is better than ash. and have been always saying rana is better than tushar. first off, what have tushar done to be in the team? give me some REASONS (not some anecdotes) he should be in the team. then we'll talk about why rana is better than him as a batsman.

[Sham]

Okay, I'm signing out of a Rana v Tushar debate now. I think Tushar is a better batsman by some distance. Tushar doesn't have to score 100s against Rajshahi for me to think that. You see players and you can tell who has potential to become good and who doesn't. The Rana lovers are becoming blinded by their love. Rana is effective, I'll give you that, but he isn't a batsman and should not be batting at number 3 in our ODI team!!

[Rubu]

whatever tushar scored last match, most of his shots went up in the air. no way a sign of good batsman, he was lucky not got get out early. sure rana's average is around 24, but tushars in mid teens, i think.

If Tushar scores a hundred today...

Edited on, June 21, 2005, 6:09 PM GMT, by AgentSmith.

[Rubu]

9.3 Tremlett to Tushar Imran, OUT: short on the off and a thin edge to
Jones behind the stumps and a possible hat-trick chance on debut
for Tremlett


I hate to be right like this, but as you can see my understanding of cricket is not that dumb.

[Sham]

Hasn't Ashraful taught you guys anything?

You don't judge a player after one or two matches. Any batsman can get out first ball, Ashraful did at the Oval and almost did it today as well. Aftab got out first ball today to Collingwood.

A batsman getting out first ball doesn't mean he is not good. So, I dont see how this proves you right? Again as I have been saying, we should not be judging our players on the basis of stats or one or two innings here. These are young guys coming in and out of the team. They need time to settle. I'd give Tushar a go at the number 3 spot. Two matches ago, a poll (if conducted) would have dropped Ashraful from the team. One hundred and ninty four runs later, I think some people have changed their minds!! Knee-jerk reactions don't help anybody!

[shovon13]

when we say someone is better than someone else at batting, we assume the judgment is being based on potential, technique, ability to play shots....etc etc. tushar is a better batsman than rana. why? well i dont know how to convince someone otherwise who's hell bent on believing something. and i really didn't see anything funny with the possibility that tushar could've scored a century today. perhaps my sense of humor is dying with time.

people would've laughed just like that if i told'em that ash was gonna score a 100 against aus. well....guess who's laughing now?

[Rubu]

How do u compare ash with tushar? ash before his badpatch, has showed what he is capable of before. what did tushar showed? ash got out on first ball, true but what kind of ball was that? and what kind of ball did tushar got out with? sure stat does not tell it all, but dismissing stat as nonsense is foolish. it tell at least 80% about a batsman. a batsman in badpatch is understandable but how about someone who never had done anything? all tushar did was couple 50's against a lowly zim A team (actually B team). that does not justify a recall in national team. this is not knee jark reaction, this is going into the facts leaving aside the useless "looks".

[Rubu]

Tushar -

ODI Average: 16.19
Test Ave: 8.66
1st Class: 24.52

Rana -

ODI Average: 23.66
Test Ave:25.69
1st Class: 35.22

Can't believe someone thinks tushar to be a top line batsman with a single digit test average after 6 innings.

also don't understand how someone is looking while doing something is more important than what he is doing.

people would've laughed just like that if i told'em that ash was gonna score a 100 against aus. well....guess who's laughing now?

NO. because ash had 2 test centuries and 5 fifties before. not to mention he showed what he is capable of few time before. what are the basis of supporting tushar?

Edited on, June 21, 2005, 8:42 PM GMT, by AgentSmith.

[Fazal]

Originally posted by AgentSmith
whatever tushar scored last match, most of his shots went up in the air. no way a sign of good batsman, he was lucky not got get out early. sure rana's average is around 24, but tushars in mid teens, i think.

Edited on, June 21, 2005, 6:09 PM GMT, by AgentSmith.