Our most dependable batsman

[Tiger444]

It's a no brainer that Shakib is our most dependable batsman. He has a lot of match winning innings and then on top of that, his average is the best. When our team is in a tough situation, he can bail the team out. His average is a 57 in wins against the G8 which is just spectacular. Mushy just started playing well this year and I believe he has some ways to go before he gets up to the standard of Shakib.

[oronnya]

Originally Posted by Tiger444
It's a no brainer that Shakib is our most dependable batsman. He has a lot of match winning innings and then on top of that, his average is the best. When our team is in a tough situation, he can bail the team out. His average is a 57 in wins against the G8 which is just spectacular. Mushy just started playing well this year and I believe he has some ways to go before he gets up to the standard of Shakib.

Yes, but I was surprised to see that many of the BC members consider Mushy as the most dependable than Shakib. That's the reason I brought up the comparison which gives a more accurate picture. The funny part is most of the people don't like Shakib's batting but he is actually the most successful one in this lot.

[Tiger444]

Originally Posted by oronnya
Yes, but I was surprised to see that many of the BC members consider Mushy as the most dependable than Shakib. That's the reason I brought up the comparison which gives a more accurate picture. The funny part is most of the people don't like Shakib's batting but he is actually the most successful one in this lot.

I think it's because he's batting so well this year and the fact that he's solid in his technique. Plus he takes less risks with his shots whereas Shakib takes a lot more and sometimes he doesn't get away with it. I believe Mushy will be a great batsman for us as well but he's gotta continue the good work and continue improving.

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by oronnya
For me the best way to judge the most dependable batsman is to see in what situation he is coming to bat and how he is contributing. I consider Tamim as the most talented rather than the most dependable. Then the contest comes down to Mushy and Shakib.

Now let's compare the performances of Shakib and Mushy:

Test

Shakib

2008: BD vs NZ- comes in when BD 45/5 and scores 41 not out
2008: BD vs NZ- comes in when BD 71/4 Sand scores 71
2008 : BD vs NZ (2nd test)- comes in when BD 44/5 and scores 49 – Match Drawn
2008: BD vs SL- comes in when BD 180/5 and scores 96

2009: BD vs WI - comes in when BD 67/4 and scores 96 not out and BD wins

2010: BD vs NZ - comes in when BD 162/4 and scores 87
2010: BD vs Eng- comes in when BD 175/4 and scores 49 and in the 2nd innings when BD 130/4 Shakib comes in and scores 96

2011: BD vs Zim - comes in when BD 136/4 and scores 68
2011: BD vs WI - comes in when BD 46/4 and scores 73

Mushy

2007: BD vs SL- comes in when BD 79/5 and scores 80

2008: BD vs NZ- comes in when BD 44/4 and scores 79
2008: BD vs SA- comes in when BD 47/4 and scores 48
2008: BD vs SA - comes in when BD 160/6 and scores 65
2008: BD vs SL - comes in when BD 291/6 and scores 61
2008: BD vs SL - comes in when BD 42/4 and scores 49

2010: BD vs Ind : comes in when BD 89/5 and scores 44 and in 2nd innings he came when BD 132/5 and scores 101
2010: BD vs Eng : comes in when BD 159/6 and scores 79 and in 2nd innings he came when BD 110/5 and scores 95

2011: BD vs WI : comes in when BD 110/2 and scores 68 and Match drawn
2011: BD vs WI : comes in when BD 122/3 and scores 69


ODI

Shakib

2006: BD vs SL: comes in when BD 52/2 and scores 67 not out

2007: BD vs Ind : comes in when BD 79/3 and scores 53 and BD wins
2007: BD vs Eng: comes in when BD 79/3 and scores 57 not out
2007: BD vs Ind: comes in when BD 80/2 and scores 50

2008: BD vs SA : comes in when BD 18/3 and scores 52
2008: BD vs Pak : comes in when BD 125/3 and scores 75
2008: BD vs Pak : comes in when BD 10/3 and scores 108
2008: BD vs SA : comes in when BD 76/4 and scores 51

2009: BD vs Zim : comes in when BD 31/3 and scores 52
2009: BD vs SL : comes in when BD 12/3 and scores 92 not out and BD wins
2009: BD vs WI : comes in when BD 97/3 and scores 54 and BD wins
2009: BD vs WI: comes in when BD 113/3 and scores 65 and BD wins
2009: BD vs Zim : comes in when BD 108/2 and scores 104 and BD wins
2009: BD vs Zim : comes in when BD 56/3 and scores 105 not out and BD wins

2010: BD vs SL : comes in when BD 87/3 and scores 47
2010: BD vs Ind : comes in when BD 60/3 and scores 85
2010: BD vs NZ: comes in when BD 100/3 and scores 58 and BD wins
2010: BD vs NZ : comes in when BD 44/3 and scores 106 and BD wins
2010: BD vs Zim : comes in when BD 81/3 and scores 63
2010: BD vs Zim : comes in when BD 46/3 and scores 73 and BD wins

2011: BD vs Ind : comes in when BD 129/2 and scores 55
2011: BD vs Aus: comes in when BD 49/3 and scores 51
2011: BD vs Zim : comes in when BD 33/4 and scores 53
2011: BD vs Zim : comes in when BD 79/3 and scores 79 and BD wins
2011: BD vs WI : comes in when BD 122/3 and scores 67 not out

Just look how many times he has bailed us out and not to mention he was contributing with ball at the same time.

Now in Mushy's case, he was extremely inconsistent until this year and he was our Golden Boy for consistantly scoring golden duck. Anyways let's see how many times he has delivered under pressure:

Mushy

2007: BD vs Ind : comes in when BD 24/1 and scores 56 not out and BD wins

2008: BD vs SL : comes in when BD 48/3 and scores 44

2009: BD vs Zim pens with Tamim and scores 98 and BD wins
2009: BD vs Zim : comes in when BD 56/4 and scores 56

2010: BD vs NZ : comes in when BD 23/4 and scores 86
2010: BD vs Eng : comes in when BD 56/3 and scores 76
2010: BD vs Eng : comes in when BD 40/2 and scores 40
2010: BD vs Zim: omes in when BD 71/3 and scores 63

2011: BD vs Aus : comes in when BD 116/4 and scores 44 not out
2011: BD vs Aus : comes in when BD 65/4 and scores 86 not out
2011: BD vs Zim : comes in when BD 43/5 and scores 59
2011: BD vs Zim : omes in when BD 66/2 and scores 101
BD vs WI : comes in when 1/2 and scores 69

So Mushy's stats for ODI are nothing outstanding compared to Shakib’s. Also Shakib has played way too many match winning knocks than any other player in the team. So Shakib is the clear winner here.

But Mushy, Tamim and Riyad are excellent in the Test. Also I have noticed that Mushy did well as an opener and number 3 batsman. I would love to see Tamim and Mushy openning and Shakib playing at number 4. Nasir can take Shakib's spot, Riyad at 6 and we get a solid batting lineup except the number 3 spot. I don't see anyone from the current squad being successfu in that spot. May be it's time to give chance to the younger talents like Mohminul.

just wondering why you would pick mominul for the #3 spot ahead of anamul or asif? reason i'm asking is because mominul is a middle order batsman whereas anamul and asif are both top 3 batsmen (sometimes opening sometimes batting at #3).

[Gowza]

in regards to mushy, i can't remember his one-day average but i'm pretty sure at one time his test average was around 18 or maybe even lower and now he's bumped it up to 28. ok 28 isn't great but that's a big improvement and i'm sure he's going to improve it even more.

but yes i agree shakib is the most dependable.

[Navo]

Mushy's batting technique has always looked more 'solid' than Shakib's. Shakib's batting can be more ungainly as he has a propensity for 'kodal' shots, scoops, etc. However, when he's in form and driving and cutting, his batting oozes class.

On a side note, I look forward to the day when Shakib and Nasir have a big partnership together. They seem to be of a similar mould and run between the wickets well.

[shuridh]

shakib is the best dependable batsman in the team.i also think in the absance of mash he is also the most dependable bowler.

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[oronnya]

Originally Posted by Tiger444
I think it's because he's batting so well this year and the fact that he's solid in his technique. Plus he takes less risks with his shots whereas Shakib takes a lot more and sometimes he doesn't get away with it. I believe Mushy will be a great batsman for us as well but he's gotta continue the good work and continue improving.

Originally Posted by Navo
Mushy's batting technique has always looked more 'solid' than Shakib's. Shakib's batting can be more ungainly as he has a propensity for 'kodal' shots, scoops, etc. However, when he's in form and driving and cutting, his batting oozes class.

On a side note, I look forward to the day when Shakib and Nasir have a big partnership together. They seem to be of a similar mould and run between the wickets well.

Yup, Mushy has better techniques than Shakib and that's the reason I want to see him opening. His ability of playing a shot without taking any risk makes him the perfect partner for Tamim, who is allowed to play any kind of shot. But Mushy needs to be more consistent in the ODIs as he takes little more time to settle which puts some pressure on the batsman on the other end specially while chasing. Besides he have to work on his strike rotation skills. Till then Shakib leads the table (of course I would like to see Shakib avoiding those jharu,kodal and scoop shots cause it's absolutely entertaining to watch him batting when he is in form)

[shuridh]

lets look at shakib and mushfiq odi carer.
shakib scores 3340runs in 119 match with the avrage of 35.15.shakib odi s/r is 77.74 .shakib scores 5 hundreds 22 fifty.
mushfiq scores 1975 runs in 101 match with the avrage of 26.33.mushfiq odi s/r is 66.00.he scores 1 hundred 10fifty.
so its clear who is the best shakib scores 1365 runs more than mushfiq in odi.shakib avrage is 35.15 mushfiq is 26.33.the differance betwen the avrage is huge 8.82.shakib s/r 77.74while mushfiq s/r is 66.00.the differance betwen two s/r is huge 11.74.shakib has 5 hundreds two of them against pakistan and newzeland.while mushfiq has 1 hundred.shakib scroe 4 hundreds more than mushfiq.shakib scores 22 fifty .mushfiq scores 10fifty only.shakib scores 12 fifty more than mushfiq.still some people think mushfiq is the better batsman than shakib in odi.thats funny.the differance betwen two of them is clear like water.
shakib al hasan is the most successful and best odi batsman of bangladesh ever in the history of bangladesh cricket.mushfiq is still lagging behind of shakib in a very good mergin.

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[22Yards]

One Name
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Shakib Al Hasan

[oronnya]

Originally Posted by Gowza
just wondering why you would pick mominul for the #3 spot ahead of anamul or asif? reason i'm asking is because mominul is a middle order batsman whereas anamul and asif are both top 3 batsmen (sometimes opening sometimes batting at #3).

We can have any one of them. I just want some fresh blood in our national team. I mentioned about Mominul as he did pretty well in the WI A tour and he has that fighting attitude. But Anamul is a good choice too.

Originally Posted by Gowza
in regards to mushy, i can't remember his one-day average but i'm pretty sure at one time his test average was around 18 or maybe even lower and now he's bumped it up to 28. ok 28 isn't great but that's a big improvement and i'm sure he's going to improve it even more.

but yes i agree shakib is the most dependable.

Mushy's test avg is 28.38 and ODI avg is 26.33 (which is pretty low for his standard). He needs to take them up to the 30s before being considered as the solid and most dependable batsman. But you are right that he is improving and improving pretty fast which is a very good sign for our team .

[shuridh]

Originally Posted by oronnya
We can have any one of them. I just want some fresh blood in our national team. I mentioned about Mominul as he did pretty well in the WI A tour and he has that fighting attitude. But Anamul is a good choice too.



Mushy's test avg is 28.38 and ODI avg is 26.33 (which is pretty low for his standard). He needs to take them up to the 30s before being considered as the solid and most dependable batsman. But you are right that he is improving and improving pretty fast which is a very good sign for our team .

yes avrage of 30must to be called as a dependable batsman

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[F6_Turbo]

For those mentioning 28 as not dependable. Remember the OP says, OUR most dependable. Averaging 28 makes one an excellent player for Bangladesh, mid 30s means legendary, and an average just about 40 would be Bradman-esque

[shuridh]

Originally Posted by F6_Turbo
For those mentioning 28 as not dependable. Remember the OP says, OUR most dependable. Averaging 28 makes one an excellent player for Bangladesh, mid 30s means legendary, and an average just about 40 would be Bradman-esque

shakib avrage is 35.15.he is a legend than i guss

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[oronnya]

Originally Posted by F6_Turbo
For those mentioning 28 as not dependable. Remember the OP says, OUR most dependable. Averaging 28 makes one an excellent player for Bangladesh, mid 30s means legendary, and an average just about 40 would be Bradman-esque

So Tamim is our Bradman in test
Shakib is a Legend in both test and ODI
Mushy is an excellent player in test
and we have a World Class batting line up !!! If only they were more consistent !!!

BTW I didn't say 28 is not dependable my argument is about the "most dependable" position which I think clearly belongs to only one person atm.

[ZimSlog]

Originally Posted by F6_Turbo
For those mentioning 28 as not dependable. Remember the OP says, OUR most dependable. Averaging 28 makes one an excellent player for Bangladesh, mid 30s means legendary, and an average just about 40 would be Bradman-esque

AWTA. Shakib's ODI bat average is fantastic and the fact that he has it after playing 119 ODIs says a lot about how good a player he is. He can only get better and I seriously believe he can get it up to the 40s, but that will take a lot of hard work. The other thing to consider is Shakib also gets to do a LOT of bowling and that at times seriously affects his batting. I'm not a statistician, but I'm sure the bowling denies him at least 5 more points to his average. This guy is on his way to being a BD legend and one of the best all rounders in world cricket(he already is!!).

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[bujhee kom]

Originally Posted by ZimSlog
AWTA. Shakib's ODI bat average is fantastic and the fact that he has it after playing 119 ODIs says a lot about how good a player he is. He can only get better and I seriously believe he can get it up to the 40s, but that will take a lot of hard work. The other thing to consider is Shakib also gets to do a LOT of bowling and that at times seriously affects his batting. I'm not a statistician, but I'm sure the bowling denies him at least 5 more points to his average. This guy is on his way to being a BD legend and one of the best all rounders in world cricket(he already is!!).

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Those were some very nice things you said about Shakib there Zimslog bro, you are a true kind gentleman who knows how to honor a man right.

[Imteaz]

Shakib al Hasan.

[ma_o_mati]

Nasir Hossain

[oronnya]

Originally Posted by ma_o_mati
Nasir Hossain

He is a good prospect but let him prove himself more often. Don't forget he had the brain fart too after a good start (today and in WI innings). But I love his aggressive and positive attitude.

[sonarbangla]

shakib has always failed when team needed him the most. another sachin tendulker. I think tamim is someone we can count on more than anyone else. But after him, i think Nasir would be my second choice.

[oronnya]

Originally Posted by sonarbangla
shakib has always failed when team needed him the most. another sachin tendulker. I think tamim is someone we can count on more than anyone else. But after him, i think Nasir would be my second choice.

Really?? where do you get that stat from?? ILook at the statistics mentioned above please. You don't have to go back far just think about the WI 2nd test 1st innings, ya you may argue that was for a losing cause then what about Zim last ODI? He was the MOM there. When is the last time Tamim played a match winning knock? Nasir might have that potential but he has a long way to go before considering him along with Shakib.

[Navo]

Originally Posted by sonarbangla
shakib has always failed when team needed him the most. another sachin tendulker. I think tamim is someone we can count on more than anyone else. But after him, i think Nasir would be my second choice.

Really now? In the last series he was Man of the Series despite being on the losing side because of the sheer number of runs he scored and wickets he took. Besides the example provided above, you seemed to have forgotten his contribution in the series against NZ. In one of those matches he scored a century AND took 3 wickets! Would we have won that match without his contribution? Barring the 151 against Zimbabwe, when has Tamim made a similar winning contribution?

[lamisa]

tamim?dependable? when was the last time he proved to be dependable?

[lamisa]

it might be too early to tell but i think that nasir is turning out to be quite dependable Mashallah