ash still doesn't get it

[Ibrahim]

Originally Posted by cricket_dorshok
ash still doesn't get it

he is a dumb guy. he never did/does/will get it.
Problem is, we fans and media made him hero out of nothing.
a guy playing international cricket for seven years and 150 ODIs averaging 20 (similar to Brett Lee and C. Vaas) and still we think he is our best batsman, our Tendi, our Bradman. What a fool we are!!!

Ash got all his liking, batting positions, license to kill, etc. etc. nothing will be changed.

Totally agree. He is the most privileged person in the team. He does not how to set his own game plan, who can he will lead a team.

[Ibrahim]

Originally Posted by fwullah
This is simply called making a scapegoat out of an individual player. Next time we'll see Tamim Iqbal captaining the Bangladesh side at the age of 19 and repeating "Ashrafulesque" performance.

No. The board is thinking to bring some old players as a captain. It is not bad idea. Cricket Info reported.

[Ibrahim]

Originally Posted by Dhakablues
Heck, even Sakibul/Raqibul/Tamim is better than Ashraful average wise and contribution wise...

Well said.

[Kabir]

Originally Posted by Ibrahim
No. The board is thinking to bring some old players as a captain. It is not bad idea. Cricket Info reported.

Any link available?

If this is so, I'm going to support it fully. I think two of the best options will be Pilot and Rafiq, with Rafiq being my clear choice.

[Razi]

Originally Posted by djnaved
vaishob, apnara keno aro ash re nia experiment korte chan bujtachi nah....ekta match valo kore to porer doshta match kharap.......eita goto 2002 theke hoye asche...vibbono coacher underea khelse shea...tarporo eki problem...apnara akhono bolen ash 4th downe khela uchit,5th downea khela uchit, 6th downea khela uchit................goto 5 yearsea shea bivinno positionea bat korse,kon positionea unnoti korse? Afsos

Really this is the sad truth.

[akabir77]

Originally Posted by djnaved
vaishob, apnara keno aro ash re nia experiment korte chan bujtachi nah....ekta match valo kore to porer doshta match kharap.......eita goto 2002 theke hoye asche...vibbono coacher underea khelse shea...tarporo eki problem...apnara akhono bolen ash 4th downe khela uchit,5th downea khela uchit, 6th downea khela uchit................goto 5 yearsea shea bivinno positionea bat korse,kon positionea unnoti korse? Afsos

ai obshthateo shey shobchey bhalo korsey number 6 position ey. BTW his 100 against SL in the debu match was also from position 6/5. Aijonno shobai bolchey he should bat down the order. again JS shoud know by now that he is no ricky pointing.

So there is no other way for him but to bat at that position.

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by BANFAN
Why not allow him to do that. He might get better doing it unhindered. Or drop him if we don't need that. It's equally pathetic to try to make him JO.

Like Shahwag, Jayasurya does it in opening & Afridi in variable order. I think there is a value for that ability as well.

As if the management didn't give him a license to kill before? Why do we always forget the recent past?

Shewag, Sanath both know how to build an innings. Especially Sanath. At Chittagong, SL were 2/23 after 10 overs with Sanath batting. They ended up 300+ score once the seam movement was negociated. That is maturity and patience. Not blind hitting like what Ash does.

The other teams already knows how to get Ash out. Heck I know how to get Ash out. Just pitch the ball outside the off and populate the slip and point region. 10 ball max.

[Baundule]

Players who have only one gear does not become much successful , especially, playing in weaker teams like us, simply because opponents are strong enough to get you, if you are not careful enough. A good player must be able to get accustomed in the 'situation', dominating the bowlers does not always mean, close your eyes and hit. A good player must have the quality of judging the deliveries.

Now, for Ashraful, what he said is actually true. His matchwinning 100 was a very good innings; but his 52-ball 94 could be a first ball duck, his match-winning 82 against SA in the world cup was an innings full of risks. His test score of 158* came, when the result was already written on the wall and he went after everything and survived. Cricket is a game of good form and luck. If you are in good form, you can hit everything from the middle of the bat and if you are lucky, edges will fall in the no man's land. The problem is, form changes with time and luck may not be with you. So, even Sachin tendulkar becomes scratchy to score a very effective; but ugly-looking 90+.

If Ashraful can not adjust himself to the demand of the situation, he should not be in the team in the first place. But he will be in the team, he will be given the license to do kill or destroy the opposition and in the process scoring ducks, his faults will be over-shadowed by a lucky 50. This happens in Bangla Cricket, this happened also during the World Cup. We were so busy with celebrating the #7 position that we did not even care for the loss against Ireland, we did not care for the huge losses against everyone else bar SA and India, even Mukuddem of Bermuda almost got us.

Too much chopping ang changing does not work. At the same time, a cricketer should be in a national team, only when he is matured enough in cricketing ability(talent, brain, fitness).

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
As if the management didn't give him a license to kill before? Why do we always forget the recent past?

Shewag, Sanath both know how to build an innings. Especially Sanath. At Chittagong, SL were 2/23 after 10 overs with Sanath batting. They ended up 300+ score once the seam movement was negociated. That is maturity and patience. Not blind hitting like what Ash does.

The other teams already knows how to get Ash out. Heck I know how to get Ash out. Just pitch the ball outside the off and populate the slip and point region. 10 ball max.

TE, he had the license in DW era while he had some successes as well and he would probably improve his percentage of good score with time. But for last about a year, he isn't having that freedom, that has dried his runs completely. he is confused than ever before. Atleast if he has the freedom, he will know what he has to do.

No comparison with the skills and maturity of Sanath or Viru, but one would expect that, had he been allowed to continue with his own way, he would learn to be more effective in doing that. Once his style has been tampered with, that has only left him more confused, it's not doing anything good for him.

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by BANFAN
...Atleast if he has the freedom, he will know what he has to do.

No comparison with the skills and maturity of Sanath or Viru, but one would expect that, had he been allowed to continue with his own way, he would learn to be more effective in doing that. Once his style has been tampered with, that has only left him more confused, it's not doing anything good for him.

First after 100+ game if he still doesn't know what to do when batting then he need to find another job.

Secondly, this can be enterpreted as "Ash" is above the "team". Why the preferencial treatment? He was allowed to play as he wished and ended with one of the worst patches of his career. So repeating the mistake knowingly .... I don't get it. He needs to sit out the next series.

If he is allowed to have free ticket and be a cornerstone player of the team and produce nothing then why not the rest of the chaps also play as they wish and not be axed. Doesn't matter what their performance say.

No player is above the team.

[Sovik]

i don't think he ever will

[view360]

I believe that Ash will only be dropped under following circumstances :

- BD is winning and Ash is not performing
- Some other player eclipsing some of the Ash flukes
Remember, Habba was dropped just after the WC success.
If BD continues to lose , the nostalgia will keep Ash in the team if not anything else. We Bangladeshis are a very nostalgic nation. BD people see Ash as a match winner even though the victories where Ash was involved were nothing but results of the science of probability.

[MohammedC]

Looks like Ash is crying.

[bujhee kom]

looks like the other guy's crying!
is that our general ibne sina bin jamali?
looks like he's wearing a holywood style hair-piece!
ash ki mathae narikel(coconut) tel dey naki?
chul shob shomoy chubchupa lage! bhalo! matha thanda thakbe!

[cricket_king]

What do you mean he still doesn't get it? He's right. That's how he plays. He only scores well when he's had a good start. Don't understand why he's "finished". He's just said it they way it is.

[Dhakablues]

The other guy is probably Shafiqul ' Haara'..the manager or monger of the team.

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by bujhee kom
looks like the other guy's crying!
is that our general ibne sina bin jamali?
looks like he's wearing a holywood style hair-piece!

He isn't jamali. One of our ex captains / Wk keeper, S. Hq. Hira, current Manager. But the hair ? May be Wig?

Originally Posted by bujhee kom
ash ki mathae narikel(coconut) tel dey naki?
chul shob shomoy chubchupa lage! bhalo! matha thanda thakbe!

Kodur tel / Tiler tel
Matha Thanda rakhar jonno

[checkmate]

Originally Posted by BANFAN
TE, he had the license in DW era while he had some successes as well and he would probably improve his percentage of good score with time. But for last about a year, he isn't having that freedom, that has dried his runs completely. he is confused than ever before. Atleast if he has the freedom, he will know what he has to do.

No comparison with the skills and maturity of Sanath or Viru, but one would expect that, had he been allowed to continue with his own way, he would learn to be more effective in doing that. Once his style has been tampered with, that has only left him more confused, it's not doing anything good for him.

Well if u watch those matches where ash was a success, u will see he was dropped early in the innings.most of the time he got those score during his second chance.he was dopped at Cardiff and on his 94 against England.also against West Indies in the T20 World cup.the only inning he played well was against SA, where he first settled down then played aggressivly,i dont think anyone is trying to stop his natural play,but telling him how to be more effective by being controlled in the beginning of the innings.its his fault if he cant adjust to it...and i think we are here to blame, coz we have given him too much of love and freedom.its like a mother who loves his child so much and doesnt sees his mistake.which eventually turns out ill for the child.we need to be a bit critical about it.let our head rule not our emotions

[checkmate]

Completely agree with Fazal Bhai

[kalpurush]

Originally Posted by mohammedc


looks like ash is crying.

পকেটে গ্লিসারিনের শিশি আছে কিনা ...।?

[BD-BLAST]

My message to Ash:

Shut it Ashraful!!!!!! Your a lousy captain, have the decency to accept this fact. Yes your a talented player and maybe one of the best BD have now, but as a captain you do not possess the charisma nor the intellect to lead a team. With your brawls with silly spectators and pathetic scores you will never be able to earn the respect of your team. Take a break, it will do you and the team a hell of a load better.

I was surprised when he said to the reporters coming back from the Australian tour "I am really tired of answering the same old questions over and over again". Sure it is diffcult being always on the loosing side, but a captain of interbational team should not make comments like this.

The respectable thing for him to do is step down as Captain before the BCB strip it away for him.

[crikfreak]

this guy is pathetic.. he was, is, and always will be pathetic.. i dont see why you people are bothering with him.. he's never gonna learn..