Your Lords Playing XI

[CTazim]

The English Team that India beat was not of the same league as the current English Team. Secondly, India won at the Ovals not at Lords. Third they played in August not in May/June as Bangladesh will be playing. So, the analysis may be flawed. Anyway, there will always be post-mortem where a certain decision that may have made logical sense prior to the match will soon become the subject of adverse scrutiny. Therefore, my choice of first eleven is given below.



1. Nafis Iqbal
2. Javed Omar
3. *Habibul Bashar
4. Aftab
5. Mohammed Ashraful
6. Mushfiqur Rahim
7. +Khaled Mas'hud
8. Mashrafee -bin - Murtoza
9. Shahadat Hossain Rajib
10. Mohammed Rafique
11. Tapash Baishya

[dash]

cant ague with the team that was 1st posted.

we r all getting too carried away with mushfiq. one fifty against a county team shouldnt guaranty ones selection. only way mushfiq could have played is if he could make a squashbuckling century in the 3rd practice match. unfortunately for him it seems like he wont get a strike.

[cricketboy]

I will take Rajin instead of Aftab since Aftab has not at all done well in longer version cricket. My team will be:
Javed
Nafis
Bashar
Ashraful
Rajin
Mushfique
Pilot
Rafique
Mashrafe
Topash
Rajib

12th man-Aftab or Munir

Edited on, May 21, 2005, 8:19 PM GMT, by cricketboy.

[amra_korbo_joy]

I agree with Imtiaz 100%

[Tokai]

after hearing so much opinion about so many players that i don't know what to think.

amar matha aula hoiya gasay.

arom post portay thakley koyek diner modhay :bald: thekay :cool2: hoye jabo.

[BangladeshFan]

Originally posted by Imtiaz
Much has been written about the test team selection. In my humble opinion, most of the lists have followed a supposedly well established custom that in England you have to play with 3 pace bowlers and a spinner.

Who says so ?
, !

you are exactly right, the third seamer is going to be hammered. i mean the way mashrafi and shahadat bowled against sussex, and they are the top two, i wonder what the 3rd seamer will do. the only real wickets against sussex were of enamul's.

my bowling 4 are mashrafi, shahadat, enamul and rafique with aftab and rajin partime. even if there is a slight turn, the SLAs will start to bowl over the wicket and that will put right handed England batsmen in trouble to score.<< this is our only chance, dont even think your mashrafi will trouble these batsmen, only one pacer who can prosper in this tour is shahadat.

[amra_korbo_joy]

If they select mashrafi, shahadat, enamul and rafique as our bowlers and the game last for more than 3 days, you will see how Enamul is bcomming nightmare for them. The 1st 3days our pacers can handle them.

Edited on, May 21, 2005, 10:54 PM GMT, by amra_korbo_joy.

Edited on, May 21, 2005, 10:55 PM GMT, by amra_korbo_joy.

[FaltuRidwanBhai]

can u please show when a team played with 2 pacers and 2 spinners in england. and why we should be exception. are we that good now that we should make our own strategy.

[James90]

Quite simply this will be the team

Javed
Nafis
Aftab
Bashar
Rajin
Ashraful
Mashud
Rafique
Mashrafe
Tapash
Shahadat

[amra_korbo_joy]

FaltuRidwanBhai :
http://www.cricketarchive.co.uk/Arch...28/f28628.html

[Sham]

Yeah it will!

The one thing that gets me most is why people think Shahadat is so good all of a sudden. He doesn't swing the ball at all. All he has got is pace (by Bangladesh standards) but a guy who can't even get a regular place in the Sussex side, Johannes Van der Wath, bowls quicker than him. 84-85 miles an hour is quick no doubt, but unlike what some of you are making it out to be, its not going to scare batsmen. To do that, you have to get up to about 90-92 mph and although some people have said that he can bowl that quick, I have really serious doubts.

I think Shahadat should play and I'll be happy if he does well. But I think there is a misconception among some that Shahadat is some Brett Lee! If I have to put my money on the one Bangladesh bowler who will cause the greatest problems for England, its going to be Mashrafe! He is a damn clever bowler and if he decides to bend his back, which surely he will do in the Tests, he will be a handful!

[TheWatcher]

Originally posted by BangladeshFan

you are exactly right, the third seamer is going to be hammered. i mean the way mashrafi and shahadat bowled against sussex, and they are the top two, i wonder what the 3rd seamer will do. the only real wickets against sussex were of enamul's.

my bowling 4 are mashrafi, shahadat, enamul and rafique with aftab and rajin partime. even if there is a slight turn, the SLAs will start to bowl over the wicket and that will put right handed England batsmen in trouble to score.<< this is our only chance, dont even think your mashrafi will trouble these batsmen, only one pacer who can prosper in this tour is shahadat.

We have plenty of analysis on this issue. Up to now I was convinced that we should go in the match with three pacers and Rafique with Aftab providing some bowling support. But now I am convinced that the third pacer will be useless and costly. Taposh is badly out of form, and selectors have made fatal mistakes by bringing Talha and Munir. The only option left for us is Enamul. He may not be able to take a single wicket, but he is able enough to give pacers a break while preventing opposition from scoring quickly. I have to admit it is a very sad option, but the most practical one

[James90]

And if I were to put money on which Bangladeshi bowler will take the most brutal beating it would be Shahadat. Having said that he's still a better option than Talha or Anwar.

I really wish Nazmul was brought on this tour.

[Flipper]

If you guys want to brash up on the spinner issue, go over the front page article one last time.

The case against the second spinner


I would be really surprised if the the first XI for the Lord's test will be any different from the list Habibul_Fan provided. As simple as this!

[Rubu]

the concept of 2 spinner does not bother me as much as the fact that when people choose 2 spinner they left out taposh for shahadat. i said this in a few times before and do not know how to emphasise it more, lords test is not a place to try out debutants and experience do count for something. changing taposh for shahadat does not make any sense. the real fight should be between shahadat and junior. junior stays ahead in this fight by a mile beside the fact that we are playing in england in early summer. enamul does not even have arm ball like rafique. how can he be effective in that pitch even if the game goes to 5th day. if somehow spin becomes effective we have a couple of parttimers to stand up. but we really need another seamer. even though i don't like shahadat being rushed into it this way, but don't see a choice. he is the best available pacer we have right now beside taposh and masri. so we've to play them.

i already spent a few months arguing this and will do more. but i'll not be convinced until pitches shows some extra favor for the spinners.

[TheWatcher]

"Dav Whatmore, the Bangladesh coach, said yesterday he had yet to finalise his XI but confirmed that the squad’s deputy keeper, Mushfiqur Rahim, aged 16 and 5ft 4in, may make his debut as a specialist batsman following his gutsy resistance at Sussex."


Source

[TheWatcher]

Whatmore ready to hand 16-year old test debut

Asked whether he had decided on his final XI for Lord's, Whatmore said: ''To be very honest, no.'' Asked if their 16-year-old prodigy Mushfiqur Rahim had a chance of playing as a specialist batsman, although he came as reserve wicketkeeper, Whatmore replied: ''Why not?''

''He battled it out very nicely in the first innings [Rahim lasted for 140 minutes] and in the second innings he made 60-odd with wickets tumbling at the other end,'' said Whatmore.



Edited on, May 22, 2005, 2:50 AM GMT, by TheWatcher.

[al Furqaan]

Originally posted by FaltuRidwanBhai
jaihok,
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nashville kobe gechelin? hah ey shohor besh bhalo. besh bangali ache eekhane, kintu amee ak matro cricket fan.

[Navarene]

The utmost burning question is that if we should pick three seamers or should stick to two seamers and two specialized spinners. I think after taking a close look at Lord's wicket if our think tank finds there is even a slightest possibilty to have some turn after day 2 or 3, we should go for 2 spinners (namely Rafique & Enamul). In that case, Tapash has to sit down to give room for Rajib (since Masree is the automatic choice).

Whereas, the dilemma still lies on whether to choose Rahim in place of Rajin. My support would still go for Rajin in terms of his solid technique and big match temperament. Rajin's fielding is a plus that can be a moral boost for our team.

About opening slots and the rest of the middle order, I think we dont have much difference in choice. The only weak link could be of Aftab's batting as a middle order, but then his decent medium pace with a bit of swing has proved worthy to seal him for the first eleven.

I still think that our strength lies on SLA duo. I believe english right handers will have hard time duelling with Enamul's classic left are spin or Rafique's arm balls.

So my team for Lord's Test will be as follows (according to batting oreder):

Javed
Nafees Iqbal
*Bashar
Aftab
Ashraful
Rajin
+Pilot
Masrafee
Rafique
Enamul
Rajib

[Imtiaz]

Originally posted by Navarene

Javed
Nafees Iqbal
*Bashar
Aftab
Ashraful
Rajin
+Pilot
Masrafee
Rafique
Enamul
Rajib

We have the same team except Rahim or Rajin. The next 4 hours will settle that, I hope. Gary Sobers was a17 year old. So was Tendulkar, I think. Many others but with dubious birth certificates [ or none ] so I will pass on them. I saw Rahim at Hove. If he is not 16, then he cannot be more than 18. He really looks like a school boy !

[shovon13]

i've said this before, and i'll say it again. JO needs to be replaced. he has held his place in the bd team for so long only because we lacked quality openers. his 150+ against uni bowlers isn't enough to convince me otherwise. i know i'm about to be showered with 20 posts saying "you're an idiot. JO's temparament is irreplaceable. we need to last for a long time etc etc".

well, i've looked through his stats. and it seems he only has 4 innings of 40 runs or higher against an opposition not named zimbabwe. these are listed below -

40 against SRI (colombo)
71 against SA (chittagong)
119 against PAK (peshawar)
58 against NZ (chittagong)

as we can see, all four of these innings were scored on south asian venues (twice in chittagong). his highest score outside south asia against oppositions other than zimbabwe is 32 against windies (gros islet). another notable one is 26 against australia (cairns). another thing to note is that, he gave his wicket to a slow bowler only 10 times in his test career. in comparison, a pacer got his scalp 43 times. and i dont think harmison, hoggard, jones, and flintoff are slow bowlers.

JO's career average is 21.79. but if we take out his runs against zimbabwe, it becomes 16.98. to be blunt, JO just isn't good enough to face english pacers at Lord's. by all means, shahriar nafees (who has experience of playing in england before) will be a better choice. now i leave it to the selectors to decide.

my playing xi:
nafis, nafees, bashar, ashraful, rajin, aftab, pilot, mashrafe, rafiq, tapash, rajib.

Edited on, May 22, 2005, 12:43 PM GMT, by shovon13.

[Ejaj]

Hmm.. well. after watching our bowlers hammered by county batsman.. i am also feeling that.. BD should go to with two spinners. I know, this is absolutely. a foolish idea to play 2 spinners in Lords.. but.. I simply cant find the third bowler. Taposh is really badly out of form. So.. even though its a gamble playing 2 spinners.. but.. considering our depth in bowling.. I think. it wont be much of a bad idea. Moreover..if somehow.. we can take the game into 4th day .. then.. I belive... Jr and rafiq would be able to do someitng that.. our seamers cant. So.. i m changing my plan and exclude Taposh in place for Jr. Thus my 11 will be

JO
Nafees
Aftab / Rahim
Bashar
Ashraful
Rajin / Rahim
Pilot
Rafiq
Mashree
Jr
Rajib

[Imtiaz]

The "solid" Rajin is OUT ! Why are they so bad ! What is their excuse now ? They are not getting dal and bhat for lunch !

[Imtiaz]

Originally posted by Ejaj
I know, this is absolutely. a foolish idea to play 2 spinners in Lords.. but.. I simply cant find the third bowler. Taposh is really badly out of form. So.. even though its a gamble playing 2 spinners.. but.. considering our depth in bowling..

To answer your point specifically, you know Emburey and Edmonds bowled in harness for Middlesex at Lords for over 15 years... and, for England too. This country produced Jim Laker , Tony Lock [ both of Surrey ], Fred Titmus [ Middlesex -again, Lords ].

I know this is a pre-dominant, almost fashionable view in these posts. The pre-ordained theory of 3 seamers on English soil but this is not the case really.

England do not play two spinners because they do not have the quality any more... plus they have good quickies now.

[Imtiaz]

Now Ash has started hitting ! Two fours in a row. Can't they just button up for a while.