Match Thread: Second Test - West Indies vs Bangladesh @ Gros Islet, St. Lucia, WI; September 13-17, 2014

[Tiger444]

Originally Posted by BanCricFan
I'm not picking on you but you tend to have a lot of flawed arguments. Genetics? You saying Bangladeshis are not strong enough to bowl 135 kph regularly? One doesn't have to bowl at 150 kph regularly to be a successful pacer at the higest level. 135kph is actually fast enough. At what pace Mcgrath, Pollock, Vaas or a Gilisspie used to bowl? Were they successful? Did they have impeccable control over their line and length and were able to out think the batsmen? Could they swing a new bowl? And Rubel does not have the built! He is actually quite tiny by fast bowling standards. Goes to show that one doesn't have to be a hulk to bowl "fast".

Pakistan in their glory days did have greentops...at least, for Test matches. And, comparing BD to Pak or Aus isn't fair, either. They have been playing Test cricket for almost 100 years and have a cricket culture in place. We are not there yet. And, with our inherent learning dificulties it might take another decade or two to create such culture.

Mindset is the problem with our pacers. Their not the fastest but they are certainly quick enough to give batsmen trouble. Problem is they try to do too much when they aren't getting wickets. That's where the temperament comes in which our guys don't have. Also they try to beat the batsmen with sheer pace rather than accuracy, discipline, or moving the ball off the seam, swinging the ball.

Obviously these teams have played a lot longer which we can't do much about but it certainly doesn't help if our players are not learning and also BCB not giving proper support.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by BanCricFan
I'm not picking on you but you tend to have a lot of flawed arguments. Genetics? You saying Bangladeshis are not strong enough to bowl 135 kph regularly? One doesn't have to bowl at 150 kph regularly to be a successful pacer at the higest level. 135kph is actually fast enough. At what pace Mcgrath, Pollock, Vaas or a Gilisspie used to bowl? Were they successful? Did they have impeccable control over their line and length and were able to out think the batsmen? Could they swing a new bowl? And Rubel does not have the built! He is actually quite tiny by fast bowling standards. Goes to show that one doesn't have to be a hulk to bowl "fast".

Pakistan in their glory days did have greentops...at least, for Test matches. And, comparing BD to Pak or Aus isn't fair, either. They have been playing Test cricket for almost 100 years and have a cricket culture in place. We are not there yet. And, with our inherent learning dificulties it might take another decade or two to create such culture.

Absolutely the average choto khato Bangladeshi is not as strong as the average Punjabi or Pathan. Get em on the bench press and see the results. Then we have our diet...that's why our bowling is daal-bhat. You need a hi protein (animal protein). Otherwise you'll need to eat 1 kg daal with each meal and still not get your quota of essential amino acids.

Our culture is in SLA bowling and maybe in future batting. To develop fast bowlers both BCB and cricket culture need to change. Even solely based on genetics with our large population we will produce freaks of nature (Taskin, Mashrafee) who resemble Pakistani pace talent. But mindset needs to be corrected. Rubel regards fast bowling as a part time job. Shahadat treated it like a joke.

If mindset is fixed it is entirely possible to see us have 3 man attack not only quicker but more skilled than Pakistan's first choice attack.

[BanCricFan]

Tiger444,

The problem with our cricketers is that almost all of them don't actually understand proper cricket. Thats the honest truth. They play in meaningless domestic cricket circuits with dull and incompetent cricketers and staffs around where professionalism is yet to see the light of the day. One isn't born with the right mindset. It has to be developed, nurtured, inculcated and maintained. Right culture and environment has to be created. We are far from it! Corruption and mismanagement are the norm.

[al Furqaan]

So what will be a decent score at stumps? I say anything less than 250-2. Doesn't look like we'll get any more than 2 wickets all day.

[Moh899]

eder dara hobe naah! lets take a break from test cricket and return when we're ready!

[hoodlum]

Another double century for Brathwaite and maiden test century for Johnson coming up. Absolute joke of a bowling attack.

[Tiger444]

Originally Posted by BanCricFan
Tiger444,

The problem with our cricketers is that almost all of them don't actually understand proper cricket. Thats the honest truth. They play in meaningless domestic cricket circuits with dull and incompetent cricketers and staffs around where professionalism is yet to see the light of the day. One isn't born with the right mindset. It has to be developed, nurtured, inculcated and maintained. Right culture and environment has to be created. We are far from it! Corruption and mismanagement are the norm.

They dont. Look at the way we play compared to the G8. Our basics arent even down.

Agree with you that mindset wont just fall from the sky. We need people in the board that actually care and take the game forward but how will that happen with jokes like Papon at the helm?

[hoodlum]

Taijul's action is somewhat similar to Md. Rafique

[BanCricFan]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
Absolutely the average choto khato Bangladeshi is not as strong as the average Punjabi or Pathan. Get em on the bench press and see the results. Then we have our diet...that's why our bowling is daal-bhat. You need a hi protein (animal protein). Otherwise you'll need to eat 1 kg daal with each meal and still not get your quota of essential amino acids.

Our culture is in SLA bowling and maybe in future batting. To develop fast bowlers both BCB and cricket culture need to change. Even solely based on genetics with our large population we will produce freaks of nature (Taskin, Mashrafee) who resemble Pakistani pace talent. But mindset needs to be corrected. Rubel regards fast bowling as a part time job. Shahadat treated it like a joke.

If mindset is fixed it is entirely possible to see us have 3 man attack not only quicker but more skilled than Pakistan's first choice attack.

Lol. Again, you're overlooking the crux of my arguments. We are talking cricket here not wrestling. You are over-complicating things. Do you need a giant to be a top batsman or a bowler? No! Take the example of Tendulakr or a Marshall -if you don't believe me. Please, get the Pathan or Punjabi complex out of your head. Rather, study those dimunitive Gurkhas as you seem to be so obsessed about the size.

[22Yards]

Originally Posted by Moh899
eder dara hobe naah! lets take a break from test cricket and return when we're ready!

I second that. Really can we take a voluntary break from test ? This is beyond embarrassing.Our bowlers cant get a wicket on a green top. Any jody modu breaks record against us. The games are dull and meaningless. The players show no improvements only frustration. Lets just focus on ODIs and T20s. We dont have the resources to even be competitive in tests.

[mij]

If this was BD batsman bating now, you would see s*** on their pants.

[BanCricFan]

Originally Posted by Tiger444

We need people in the board that actually care and take the game forward but how will that happen with jokes like Papon at the helm?

And this is very symptometic of our overall culture. A vicious circle -very difficult to break out from. We need a miracle or a Divine Intervention.

[BanCricFan]

In the morning that pathetic gingerhead was bowling in the mid 120s and now trying to bowl in the 130s. The horse has already bolted. Batsmen already set. Mushy should be sacked for being such a putu putu captain.

[Tiger444]

Originally Posted by BanCricFan
And this is very symptometic of our overall culture. A vicious circle -very difficult to break out from. We need a miracle or a Divine Intervention.

Yup. In short, short term and long term don't look too good for us. Sad but that's the reality

[cricbook]

Same story game...lots of worthless bs we gotta see everyday.... Bowling first which was valid today... But our bunch of clueless morons didnt captaize the early advantage of the pitch.... Bd cricket fallen ... Unless mostofa kamal come back... He was the right person for bd clueless board & players, he was the right board president .....

[NoName]

Their debutant will score more than 80% of our batsmen lol

[cricbook]

Sakib now i know why u r dad of bd cricket ... Missed u boss in wi.... If u were there, atleast couple wkt would be down under 150... Sorry boss

[shivfan]

The 100 comes up for the opening partnership...half-centuries for Leon and Kraigg.

[dark mage]

Originally Posted by BanCricFan
Lol. Again, you're overlooking the crux of my arguments. We are talking cricket here not wrestling. You are over-complicating things. Do you need a giant to be a top batsman or a bowler? No! Take the example of Tendulakr or a Marshall -if you don't believe me. Please, get the Pathan or Punjabi complex out of your head. Rather, study those dimunitive Gurkhas as you seem to be so obsessed about the size.

Bro whether you like it or not, what Al-Furkaan said is logic and the truth. Our diet and genetics simply don'tgive us any natural physical ability. I have seen it at the gym myself, an average Afghani, a Pak/Inidan Punjabi can lift more. About Gurkahs, put them in a ring and see who wins. Gurkhas are known for their bravery, their knives and their courage,but strengthwise they aren't a match. Gurkhas won't make good fast bowlers. Same goes for India, because of their diet its very hard for them to find an express pacer.

[hoodlum]

Toothless bowling attack.

[cricbook]

With bd cricket, i guess bc falling too... Not too many members r not interested in this site anymore.. Day by day just losing & hope & seeing dumb game by bd.... I guess day will come , no body will be in this banglacricket site... No body will be there to share their opinion.... No body.

[RazabQ]

I can't recall seeing our bowling this bad. Pacers spinners all are putrid. Not being able to put together 6 decent balls! One short ball or leg side bal every over. Look at how few maidens.

[DMan]

Both these Batsmen should stay there and make centuries. There's no reason not to.

[dark mage]

Originally Posted by cricbook
Same story game...lots of worthless bs we gotta see everyday.... Bowling first which was valid today... But our bunch of clueless morons didnt captaize the early advantage of the pitch.... Bd cricket fallen ... Unless mostofa kamal come back... He was the right person for bd clueless board & players, he was the right board president .....

Not Mostafa kamal, we need Saber Chowdhury, as he would fix our cricket from the roots and not just the national team. But this thief Papon didnt let Saber win through dirty politics

[cricbook]

Bangladsh need 2 pair of international test & odi side..... Where tamim, nasir, anamul, riad, or others will play only odi & t20. Musy, sakib, & any calm new opening couples, etc... Will play the test...thats the only way bd will bat 2 days in a row.