Post-win Negatives

[Ajfar]

Originally Posted by Dilscoop
He also needs to stop showing all the confident in Tamim. He can do that with other players, and they will become good players too. There is no point just hugging 1 player out of 15, it's a team sports.

It makes sense for JS to be talking about Tamim now, because Tamim is in the form of his life. Have you never seen JS talk about Shakib? Have you not heard JS say Mushy is our Golden boy? Have you never heard JS talk good about Rakib? I'm sure if the Journalists asked him to comment on all 11 players on our team, he would have gave negative and positive criticism.

[Antora]

Positives ( I haven't watched the 2nd innings highlights yet...but, from what I have read on cricinfo and saw on the news so far...)

- Jahrul's keeping - so maybe we can have him as keeper and Mushy as a specialist Batsmen?
- The fact that we won without BOOM BOOM Tamim scoring something big.
-Jahrul's batting- he seems prety impressive.
- Mash's bowling seemed back on track (Y)


Negatives
- Shakib, Ash , Riayd and Imrul ( yes imrul... he didn't have to waste that MANY BALLS!! FARRR OUT.. )'s batting.
- We still don't know how to use the Batting PP :S


Maybe I'lll add to the list once I've seen the highlights which start in about an hours time

[Dilscoop]

Originally Posted by bangladesh_sy
OK i'll give you one reason. You Best Friend Imrul scored the highest run. Now do me a favor go Ask your best friend Imrul who helped him out the most with his batting? I'm sure he'll tell you its your other best friend JS. There you wanted one reason I gave 1 you want another one. Sure I'll give you another one. Zahurul was the 2nd highest scorer and shared an 83 run partnership with Imrul. Now do me another favor and go ask Jahurul who has been supportive of him since he joined the squad? Also while you are at it ask Jahurul you were filling in for Mushy as the Keeper today. Did the coach JS give you any word of wisdom? I'm sure you will be like no he didn't give Jahurul any word of wisdom because you know it all. Heck while I am at it i'm give you a couple more reason. Don't you think as the coach of the JS went some kind of a bowling plan with Mashrafe and other bowlers? Don't you think as the coach JS discussed with his bowlers some of the weakness the English Batsman's may have? Don't you think as the coach JS might have discussed with Mashrafe who he should use for the batting power play and who he should using the middle overs? your answers for everything single one of these questions I bet will be no no no. lets face it you know it all. you are a bigger jotishi than Paul Octupus.

Imrul again scored a worthless half century. He ate up **** load of delivieries. And when he had to get going and improve his SR, and get us to a good total, he got out retarded-ly. All his scores have been worthless like this. He scored, but never converted, and got out at the wrong time. And I only blame JS for this. Because he is making Imrul into a very defensive player. And he is making Imrul believe he can't clear the ropes.

Yes he scored valuable runs today, but again, the timing of his out makes his innings worthless over and over again.

And no I do not think JS gave any advise or discussed anything with the bowler. He couldn't do it in the past, and I highly doubt he did it today. All he can do is complain about them. And he gave up as soon as Shakib got out. He brought out his "oh we lost already" half way through the innings. And he himself is shocked that the bowlers did the job. Which kills me. He has been treating the bowlers as they are a different team or something.

[Ajfar]

Originally Posted by Dilscoop
Imrul again scored a worthless half century.

Originally Posted by Dilscoop
Yes he scored valuable runs today, but again, the timing of his out makes his innings worthless over and over again.

so let me get this right first you say "he again scored a worthless half century". but then you admit he scored valuable runs. I'm not expert jotishi like you but I know one thing worthless and valuable are not the same thing. Dude just shut up about Imrul already. Take out Imrul 76 from the total and see what happens? Ya what do you know it becomes a worthless total score. So stop complaining for once. you are trying so so hard to bash Imrul that you are not even making sense.

Originally Posted by Dilscoop
And no I do not think JS gave any advise or discussed anything with the bowler. He couldn't do it in the past, and I highly doubt he did it today. All he can do is complain about them. And he gave up as soon as Shakib got out. He brought out his "oh we lost already" half way through the innings. And he himself is shocked that the bowlers did the job. Which kills me. He has been treating the bowlers as they are a different team or something.

ya you know it all. you must have magically time traveled your way into the dressing room and saw everything. Dude you didn't even watch the game, you have no idea what he did or did not do during the game. watching little clips and reading CI commentary doesn't give you any idea about what went on during the game. Stop making up craps.

[shakibrulz]

^^ Good catch dude..

Yeah, Imrul should rework his tactics and rotate the strike at least when he can't get the boundaries. And took too many chances as well. I say either Jahurul or Siddique should play the anchor innings, both knows how to play a balanced innings. Specially Siddique, the guy plays some lovely strokes. Jahurul runs extremely well between the wickets.

[Dilscoop]

Originally Posted by bangladesh_sy
so let me get this right first you say "he again scored a worthless half century". but then you admit he scored valuable runs. I'm not expert jotishi like you but I know one thing worthless and valuable are not the same thing. Dude just shut up about Imrul already. Take out Imrul 76 from the total and see what happens? Ya what do you know it becomes a worthless total score. So stop complaining for once. you are trying so so hard to bash Imrul that you are not even making sense.

Ok let me rephrase my words for regular people like you. Imrul's score was WORTHLESS, because of the timing of his out. He did add 76 runs to the total. And it only means something, because bowlers were still able to defend it today. But may be on the next game 236 wouldn't be enough. And it Imrul's innings will be worthless. It will be his fault that we couldn't get to a higher total, because he ate up all the balls (just like how the English fans are blaming Trott today). But because we won the game (BECAUSE OF THE BOWLERS) it's doesn't seem so wothless.

Originally Posted by bangladesh_sy
ya you know it all. you must have magically time traveled your way into the dressing room and saw everything. Dude you didn't even watch the game, you have no idea what he did or did not do during the game. watching little clips and reading CI commentary doesn't give you any idea about what went on during the game. Stop making up craps.

So you know he talked to them. Dont you? You live with JS and he tells you everything that goes on in the camp? Then why couldn't he talk in the past? What was he smoking on all these days? Why couldn't he go talk to the bowlers before and win us a game? You can't tell me he just did that for today? If it is that way, then what the hell was he doing all these years?

I didn't watch the game, but I did watch the full match highlights, and full match on the those repeating live links later on. You know why I know he didn't talk to the bowlers? Because he even himself said he doesn't deal with the bowlers, he is just a batting coach. So all of a sudden he just felt like 'discussing' with the bowlers? And let me ask you again, how'd you know that he did? Just get off his nuts.

peace ...

[aniksh1]

Hey, another win without Ashraful's help....isn't that big...

anyways we hv been thru this b4...the biggest negative is still the mind numbing agony we were going thru b4 this win....which will continue from next match on...but hopefully for less longer this time...

[Ajfar]

Originally Posted by shakibrulz
^^ Good catch dude..

Yeah, Imrul should rework his tactics and rotate the strike at least when he can't get the boundaries. And took too many chances as well. I say either Jahurul or Siddique should play the anchor innings, both knows how to play a balanced innings. Specially Siddique, the guy plays some lovely strokes. Jahurul runs extremely well between the wickets.

Imrul was actually rotating the strike pretty good in the middle overs. Specially after Jahurul and Shakib got out he was getting off the strike pretty easily. Ashraful had just come in at the time. Imrul is doing just fine. Matter of fact our top order is doing just fine. In the 1st 2 matches we were in a good position to put up 275+ but we failed. After the 30th over we were around 140ish for 2. Which is a perfect platform. Had Tamim fired at the beginning of the innings we would have been 170ish for 2. In both of the matches our middle order let us down. Its really bad that they all went off form at the same time.

[Ajfar]

Originally Posted by Dilscoop
Ok let me rephrase my words for regular people like you. Imrul's score was WORTHLESS, because of the timing of his out. He did add 76 runs to the total. And it only means something, because bowlers were still able to defend it today. But may be on the next game 236 wouldn't be enough. And it Imrul's innings will be worthless. It will be his fault that we couldn't get to a higher total, because he ate up all the balls (just like how the English fans are blaming Trott today). But because we won the game (BECAUSE OF THE BOWLERS) it's doesn't seem so wothless.

Dude the more you try to make Imrul the bad guy the more your are making yourself look stupider? Its Imrul's fault that we didn't put a bigger total? How stupid are you? Did you see the scorecard? Did you see how much the middle order put together? The freaking middle order couldn't even survive long enough and here you are complaining about he ate too many balls. So what would have happened had Imrul scored a duck today? how in the world would the bowlers defend that total?

When did he say he is just a batting coach? show me the link. I didn't say he never talks to the bowler, I didn't say he never discusses things with his players. you are the one saying that. IMO he always discusses things with his players, most of the times it doesn't work out. But today it did.

Why the are you telling me to off his nuts for? Just because you don't like what I say I have to stop talking about it. This is a freaking forum I have every right to say whatever I want just like you. If you are so scared of other people question your opinion than don't post to begin with.

[Imteaz]

Don't be satisfied to early.

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by bangladesh_sy
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When did he say he is just a batting coach? show me the link. I didn't say he never talks to the bowler, I didn't say he never discusses things with his players. you are the one saying that. IMO he always discusses things with his players, most of the times it doesn't work out. But today it did.

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IMO everytime he does opposite to his principles, theories and policies .... we do much better than expected. May just be a coincidence.

Also IMO, if we get rid of him altogether (along with his coaching protiva), we will do miracles.

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by aniksh1
Hey, another win without Ashraful's help....isn't that big...

anyways we hv been thru this b4...the biggest negative is still the mind numbing agony we were going thru b4 this win....which will continue from next match on...but hopefully for less longer this time...

And also without Tamim's help. So we can win as a team without being dependant on any single player. And how important even the one off victories are.

Some people should take lessons and revise their policies. We will emerge as a much better team than we are perceived by many.

[ahnaf]

Originally Posted by bangladesh_sy
Dude the more you try to make Imrul the bad guy the more your are making yourself look stupider? Its Imrul's fault that we didn't put a bigger total? How stupid are you? Did you see the scorecard? Did you see how much the middle order put together? The freaking middle order couldn't even survive long enough and here you are complaining about he ate too many balls. So what would have happened had Imrul scored a duck today? how in the world would the bowlers defend that total?

When did he say he is just a batting coach? show me the link. I didn't say he never talks to the bowler, I didn't say he never discusses things with his players. you are the one saying that. IMO he always discusses things with his players, most of the times it doesn't work out. But today it did.

Why the are you telling me to off his nuts for? Just because you don't like what I say I have to stop talking about it. This is a freaking forum I have every right to say whatever I want just like you. If you are so scared of other people question your opinion than don't post to begin with.

completely agree with you.. Last 20 over we only scored 87 runs.. Is this imrul's fault?? How many ball he was faced of this 20 over??? Sy bro.. I bet my life jodi amra wc o jiti 2011 e (just for example) era thokon o bolbe js r kono credit nai akane.. Player ra js r kotha shune nai tai ata hoyse..

[ahnaf]

Originally Posted by Dilscoop
It's funny how some think we are comparing this era with Whatmore era, even though we are not. We are just point out how this era is so bad itself, and what's wrong with this era. It has nothing to do with Whatmore era.

Thing is, this JS sucker boys are arguing just for the hell of it. They do realize why JS is so messed up. All they say is "Yes JS done many good things to the team" and never really states what those GOOD things are. They are just banging on the drum randomly.



1st of all, learn some ENGLISH. You don't make any sense. After you do, go read my post, then reply with a relevant answer.

i strongly belive you never played cricket.. If played u never was a good player.. If you were good player you never played cricket in any parar club... U never played any para's cricket tournament.. If you were then you should know that only a captain never can do anything without coach's advise (in parar cricket elder bro or experienced player/past player)... Apnar jana ucit je baire theke icchamoto kichu bola ar kichu kore dhekano ak na.... I know all of this coz i'm learned this by playing for my parar club..

[lamisa]

get off that poor guy's(JS)back for once people!he as his desirable unit now,let's see how he deals with it and you can have a go at him if he fails miserably again.do not forget,he's the onewho taught us how to cross 200 regularly and how to take the test matches to the final day.give that poor guy soe credit,he was totally ecstatic when we finally won yesterday,hugging chacha and all that!

[lamisa]

Originally Posted by Dilscoop
Exactly my point. Well said.

He also needs to stop showing all the confident in Tamim. He can do that with other players, and they will become good players too. There is no point just hugging 1 player out of 15, it's a team sports.

before criticizing someone for their english,pls get ur own grammar right first.the word confident is an adjective or a pronoun at times.u should have used the noun confidence here.how can u show "confident" in someone?

[ahnaf]

Originally Posted by Dilscoop
It's funny how some think we are comparing this era with Whatmore era, even though we are not. We are just point out how this era is so bad itself, and what's wrong with this era. It has nothing to do with Whatmore era.

Thing is, this JS sucker boys are arguing just for the hell of it. They do realize why JS is so messed up. All they say is "Yes JS done many good things to the team" and never really states what those GOOD things are. They are just banging on the drum randomly.



1st of all, learn some ENGLISH. You don't make any sense. After you do, go read my post, then reply with a relevant answer.

ami boli shudu mukostho kichu english buli na chere mathata aktu khatan english pondit bhaijan... What i said? What i asked? U dont understood.. Apni bolechen je mashrafee positive cilo ta bd jiteche js r kono credit nei.. Accha.. Ponting,dhoni ki mashrafee r cheye kharap captain?? Ora ki negative?? Jodi stats thik hoy tahole ora to hajar gun positive nd if ur invented theory is correct then what the necessity of a coach??? Mashrafee jodi low profilic dolk niye(tader doler tulonay) nijei match jetate pare.. Tarao to nischoi parbe nd pere esheche.. Karon nischoi bolte hobe na... Thats why i asked you what the necessity of having a coach in team??

[Dilscoop]

^ WHy are you quoting my post twice? Stop being so clueless man. What any of these discussion has to do with me playing cricket?? what the hell? You don't even know what we are discussing about. You are randomly quoting the same posts 2 / 3 times and txt speaking and making no sense, and and top of that they are so irrelevant. I can't even read your posts dude. Make some sense. And stop arguing just because you want to. Go find a 1st grader

[Dilscoop]

=bangladesh_sy, ever heard of people say "Finish the innings?" Because it is Imrul's fault to not to finish the innings after eating up that many balls. When you bat for that long its your freaking job to finish the innings and post a good total. SPECIALLY after you bat for that long AND eat up so many deliveries. I am not blaming Imrul, because it's not even about Imrul. We were talking about JS. And I asked give me a reason why any of the credit to JS for the win? And you brought up Imrul as a credit to JS. But then again you are blaming the middle order failure. So I get the feeling you total forgot about what we were talking about.

And I don't carry around links or write it down on my diary. He said it, more then once, that he does not deal with the bowlers, he is just a batting coach. And he hates to admit that he is the head coach. Ask BC editor Miraz. Even he mentioned it. He must have the links to.

I will say get off his nuts, because you guys are blindlessly giving credit to JS, even thought the batsmen couldnt get past 250, both innings, when 270+ was easily achievable.

You guys can argue all you want, he will be done and gone in 7 months. You can miss him then and cry about him then. But he aint coming back again, not any time soon. Nor will he get to coach any other team, so you wont see him around for a while. Cherish the moment while it last, meanwhile just demoralize Bdesh cricket.

[ahnaf]

Originally Posted by Dilscoop
^ WHy are you quoting my post twice? Stop being so clueless man. What any of these discussion has to do with me playing cricket?? what the hell? You don't even know what we are discussing about. You are randomly quoting the same posts 2 / 3 times and txt speaking and making no sense, and and top of that they are so irrelevant. I can't even read your posts dude. Make some sense. And stop arguing just because you want to. Go find a 1st grader

clueless?? What?? Show me some clueless point that i've said??? U cant read my post!! Interesting!! Yeah there may b gramatical mistake bt im sure every bc member will unerstood what i tried 2 say..

[Eshen]

Have to say I found it very disturbing how Faisal was dropped after one ODI and how Ashraful was rushed back at his expense. Also, it's high time Shakib is demoted in the batting order.

A big positive is - players seem to come together and plan things well in the match. So, yeah, may be Siddons should continue with his hands off approach and let them figure out things on their own.

[Fazal]

Originally Posted by Eshen
Have to say I found it very disturbing how Faisal was dropped after one ODI and how Ashraful was rushed back at his expense.

Yes that is one of the major negatives in that game which will have long term consequence and another example of bad precedence set by Board and Siddon.

[Dilscoop]

Originally Posted by ahnaf
clueless?? What?? Show me some clueless point that i've said??? U cant read my post!! Interesting!! Yeah there may b gramatical mistake bt im sure every bc member will unerstood what i tried 2 say..

I already pointed out. Go read it.

And no I dont think any body can or even bother to read your posts, whn u spk lyk dat al da time.

[Dilscoop]

Originally Posted by lamisa
before criticizing someone for their english,pls get ur own grammar right first.the word confident is an adjective or a pronoun at times.u should have used the noun confidence here.how can u show "confident" in someone?

heh. ohh zip it :p

confidence, confident ..lou, kodu

[WarWolf]

Some people are too nagging in this forum. I hope mods are following. I normally don't complain. But some people are really crossing civic limits. We have seen bans in the past with lesser minor issues.