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View Poll Results: Who should be drop for 5th ODI against ZIM??
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TIK
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Zunaid
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28 |
33.73% |
Ash
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20 |
24.10% |
Rok
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Iceman
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9.64% |
Mushy
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0% |
Riyad
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3.61% |
Nayeem
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4.82% |
Enamul
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1.20% |
Raz
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1.20% |
Nazmul
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All- play U19 team instead
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12 |
14.46% |
None
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November 3, 2009, 02:46 PM
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ODI Cricketer
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Drop Ashraful and Junaid.
Replace them with Alok and S. Nafees next year. (Nafees (educated) would be an excellent Vice Captain, Shakib should be the Captain)
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November 3, 2009, 02:47 PM
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Cricket Legend
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ofcourse Zunaid
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November 3, 2009, 02:55 PM
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There should be some accountability assigned to each players action. Ash was plum LBW. His bat was at least good 4inches right of the line of the ball. The ball was straight, did not jump or skid. He just plain misjudged it. We are fond of saying that our boys are weak against pace bowlers. Implication is that they are better against spinners. However, I seen them wet their pants facing likes of Vittori and Muralidharan. Yesterday was a typical day. Nobody stretched their front foot for fear of being stumped. As a result balls that are a touch short were getting them in two minds. In a spinning wicket either you commit yourself if it is a fuller or length ball or go back foot. But our lead-footed boys managed to mesmerize themselves with the moderate turn. Was Ash looking at the ball? Or was he using a slide-rule to calculate the directional change of the ball before lining up his bat? Perhaps, he was seeing doubles: one straight and one turning. Was afraid of the gauntlet around him? He should be benched and there is no question about it. Yesterday was a good day to hit out. There is only one fielder outside the ring. Anything hard would have cleared. Nayeem had the good idea but a wrong line. A few of those would have forced dissipation of the batting gauntlet. In the end, it was pathetic game between two pathetic sides
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November 3, 2009, 03:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oracle
Junaid- I don't buy Siddons argument.
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I have bought it earlyer and returned it during the 3rd ODI...
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November 3, 2009, 03:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Antora
everyone apart from Shakib!
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And I thought bowlers did well...!
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November 3, 2009, 04:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rafi_mc69
then who wl be our captain? Is it Gadha(ash) or Chagol(Mushy)?
I think Chagol wl be more useful.
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Yes! At least you could eat...!!!
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November 3, 2009, 04:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raynman
unless injuries or resting, finish of the series with the same squad. It will be nice to finish the year off with a victory. There is a rating at stake too if we hope to creep closer to WI.
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Someone is thinking...
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November 3, 2009, 04:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fazal
Just dropping players and plugging in new on-the-fly is not going to solve our problem. BCB (and fans for the sake of this discussion) need to realize, we cannot just react and try to fix on-the-fly with out a plan, because its not working…. our weakness is pretty know to us for a while now.
1. Holes in top of the batting order (#2 and #3).
By this time we shouldn't have any doubt that we have a big hole in #2 and #3 slots. They can try Junaid further, but its time to bring 3rd option in our opener equation. We need more stability at the openers, Junaid is not providing us right now, and may not do it in future. What is our plan B? Sorry to say, Ashraful is NO #3 solution for our team. By trying him at #3, the team will continue to bleed (one good innings followed by five bad one) and Ash will go in the wrong direction. We need more consistent performance from #3. If Rahim is not #3 solutions, at least by moving up Rahim and let him bat before/after Sakib will further consolidate the batting order. He need to bat higher in the batting order.
2. Lack of quality FBs.
Realistically speaking, for mid to long term, we need to forget about Mashrafee and Rasel's comeback to help us out. If they can come back and provide us quality service then that great, but we need to find out more options for mid-term and long-term. I think we are about to see the last few years of Mashrafee at best.
In home field, we can get away with one FB, but we need to identify 5 FBs that we can rotate and use and keep them fresh and hungry. Obviously Mashrafee (for short term) is the 1st one. Nazmul definitely can be the other one (playing Rasel’s role). I say lets sticke with him and let him build on his success. Who are the other three? Shahadat? Rubel? Dollar? Talha? Or somebody else?
Plus we need to find out some Fast bowler all-rounder to give the team some flexibility and options (if they choose to use in a particular game). Who are those? Dollar? Farhad? Aftab? Taposh? or Somebody else? We need to find our sooner than later.
3. Lack quality Fielding.
Fielding is ok, except dropping a bunch of catches in each game. That’s a big NO NO for teams like ours. We need to play better in this aspect of the game to have any realistic chance to beat better teams. Fielders consistently dropping too many catches should be disciplined by letting them sit one or more games. They need to address this issue more aggressively. If lack of better fielding coach is the issue, then BCb should bring in someone with a track record.
4. Lack of a good WC.
Let’s not fool ourselves,. Regardless how good and talented a player Rahim is, his WK is hurting us in a big way. It’s demoralizing for the bowlers. I hope he is not the long term solution (unless he fix his problems). So what we do as plan B? Bring backup WK to compete with Rahim. Let’s use backup WK here and there to expose him to the real competition. Rahim will get the signal; he will understand wicket keeping is his main role as a wicketkeeper. In the mean time let’s think about utilizing Rahim's strength more i.e. let him bat higher in the batting order. Who knows, a specialized Bastman may be the way to go for Rahim.
5. Lack of setting a player's primary role and use him accordingly.
I think some of the player's role are kind of vague and we select them for one reason but use them for another reason. What is Ash's primary role? A #3 batsman? A bowler who can bat? A batsman who can bowl? What is Naeem's role? A bowler first or a batsman first? If he is a bowler first, then why he is not bowling more? Why he is a 6th or 7th option? If he is a batsman first, then why he bats so late in the batting order for most of the time (except last ODI). The same is true for Ryiad. What is Nazmul's role? A part timer like he was used in 3rd ODI or a specialized bowler like he was used in 4th ODI? This kind of no clear cut well defined primary roles prevent to set accountability in a player. That’s where players thinks “bits and pieces” of performance here and there outside his main responsibility may be enough for him to keep his position.
So I say lets address these issues in a better planed manner giving high importance to these issues. Let’s not hide these issues just because we are getting away by beating ZIM team in our own home. If we don’t address these issues, trust me, we will be in a big shock against better teams. And then we will be in panic mode and will act in a nonsensical reactionary way that will further handicap our team’s growth
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November 3, 2009, 05:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Akib
Junaid.
I would move Ash to either 5/6 (he does better there) or open (see what hes capable of, thought the pair would be a bit too aggressive).
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November 3, 2009, 05:11 PM
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I am guessing Fazal mama is still a bachelor.
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November 3, 2009, 05:13 PM
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i noticed 6 ppl so for voted for iceman? lol
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November 3, 2009, 05:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wiseshah
can we play anyone outside of this squad. in that case, i would say, try
shahriar nafees
shohrawardi shuvo
alok kapali
aftab ahmed
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omgg kapali?
i say we are all missing aftab a lot.
we should ignore the politics and teke in aftab
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November 3, 2009, 05:44 PM
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drop junaid and naem.
take s nafees and aftab
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November 3, 2009, 06:48 PM
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Zunaid should be dropped. I say we swap him for rubel and make naeem open with tamim, see how that goes. And also place ash at 4 and rakib at 3.
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November 4, 2009, 05:02 AM
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Definitely Zunaid!
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November 4, 2009, 05:16 AM
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Instead of dropping Ash, why not try move him down the order. Siddons' insistence and faith in him at number three is just plain stupid. He's out of his mind. Either drop him down the order to 5 or 6 or don't play him at all. He makes a mockery of the number 3 position.
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November 4, 2009, 06:04 AM
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i dont understand why the selectors are putting up w/ the whims of the coach when it comes to junaid
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November 4, 2009, 06:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
I voted for Shakib. Go play Domestic cricket. They need you more than the national team. Go Abahani, go Domestic cricket.
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Mijan bhai kaichcha kortase...khelbo na bole dilam...
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November 4, 2009, 11:28 AM
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Shakib should be rested to avoid risking his groin injury ahead of Englad toor. Give KichirMichir a chance to lead. Get another wicketkeeper and let KichitMichir to concentrate on batting. Drop Ash. Will our ex-captain come back for one more ODI and show KichirMichir how it is done. That will solve two problem at once. Just a wild thought.
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November 4, 2009, 03:44 PM
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I just don't want that Junaid to open.
I want to see Kichirmichir opening with Tamim & see how it works.
And also Ash at n°5.
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November 4, 2009, 03:53 PM
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I suppose we could let Chatterbox open again. I'm sure he'll do just fine.
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November 4, 2009, 05:43 PM
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Any updated news who is getting dropped.
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November 4, 2009, 06:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AsifTheManRahman
I suppose we could let Chatterbox open again. I'm sure he'll do just fine.
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I just had this idea of Mushy being chatterboxy when being with a woman. HHS.
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November 4, 2009, 06:37 PM
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Mohammad ashraful should not play in the reminder of the series
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November 4, 2009, 06:38 PM
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Shakib should be rested. Zunaid should be dropped down the order. Mushy to open the batting with Tamim and should be given the captaincy. Rajib should get a match. Ash should play at 6th position. Zunaid at 1st down. Naeem at 4th. Raqib batting at 5th.
Tamim
Mushfiq*
Zunaid
Naeem
Raqib
Ash
Riyad
Razzak
Rajib
Enamul
Nazmul
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