Mushi 》Either Captaincy OR Wkeeping@Test

Rana Melb · #1 May 15, 2015, 07:18 PM

It has been confirmed (internal source) that after india Test Mushi is going to put away his wicket keeping gloves in test matches. This is too stressful for a player to do three things in Test n play a long innings. Mushi's failure in Pak Test was a clear evident of this. Finally BCB realized this and will find a solution sooner than later. Please see a hint below

http://m.ibnlive.com/cricketnext/new...ia-545809.html

Jadukor · #2 May 15, 2015, 07:22 PM

Why after India test? So that he can drop some more catches and say final goodbye? When you have identified a problem why wait another test?

Dilscoop · #3 May 15, 2015, 07:28 PM

Yeah, why after Ind? It's as if they're giving him one last chance. For what? Don't need that. This decision is long over due and now is the time.

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"... the skipper may have to choose between leading the outfit or keeping wickets fearing both might get too stressful for him."

Why not both! Knowing how stubborn Mush is he is likely to keep on keeping and give up captaincy. I think I would want him to give up keeping because he needs to bat up. And we don't have a better captain.

Gowza · #4 May 15, 2015, 07:30 PM

Yeah why are they waiting for that test? Sooner the change the better imo. Going to be interesting to see who they pick to take the gloves, it looks like it will be liton but it requires a lot of thought, it's not a role liton is used to so it will take him time to adjust mentally, physically and situationally.

Rana Melb · #5 May 15, 2015, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jadukor
Why after India test? So that he can drop some more catches and say final goodbye? When you have identified a problem why wait another test?

Probably not enough time to change the captaincy. TBH we ve not tested other available wkeepers in this longer format.

Gowza · #6 May 15, 2015, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dilscoop
Yeah, why after Ind? It's as if they're giving him one last chance. For what? Don't need that. This decision is long over due and now is the time.

Why not both! Knowing how stubborn Mush is he is likely to keep on keeping and give up captaincy. I think I would want him to give up keeping because he needs to bat up. And we don't have a better captain.

I'd prefer shakib, riyad, even mominul as captains over mushy. The main worry with changing the captain for me is how it will affect the game of the new captain. I'd probably prefer riyad over shakib or mushy but his position is less secure.

Jadukor · #7 May 15, 2015, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rana Melb
Probably not enough time to change the captaincy. TBH we ve not tested other available wkeepers in this longer format.

Captaincy is not bring changed since there is no alternative. Its about giving up wkt keeping. Is there a way of testing other wkt keepers without letting them play?

Rana Melb · #8 May 15, 2015, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jadukor
Captaincy is not bring changed since there is no alternative. Its about giving up wkt keeping. Is there a way of testing other wkt keepers without letting them play?

Are anamul or liton wicket keeping in our domestic longer version?

Gowza · #9 May 15, 2015, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rana Melb
Probably not enough time to change the captaincy. TBH we ve not tested other available wkeepers in this longer format.

Probably looking at 3 keeping options: anamul, liton, nurul. Anamul and liton have better batting records, nurul is widely regarded the best keeper in the country.

Anamul has had a few chances in tests and not looked up to it, but he does have more international experience now, and if he was keeping he could bat down at 7 so would have less batting pressure on him. He's primarily an opening batsman and generally doesn't keep in FC cricket.

Liton has so far had no chances but has been in terrific form. Like anamul he is primarily an opening batsman and generally doesn't keep in long format cricket.

Nurul hasn't had a great season so far with the bat (the others have been quite good this season), but isn't the idea of picking a specialist keeper more about picking the best glovemen? He's a middle order/lower order batsman already so no need for adjusting mentally, physically or situationally for this role. Untested at the international level.

Anamul is the only one with international experience, I wouldn't put too much into his previous test performances because if he gets the keeping gig he'll probably bat down the order which will be new for him so he should get a clean slate.

Gowza · #10 May 15, 2015, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rana Melb
Are anamul or liton wicket keeping in our domestic longer version?

I don't believe so, not regularly. Interestingly having just looked at some matches liton has actually kept and opened the batting the the same match (FC of course). Actually in January this year he kept, opened and scored 150. But it's not something he's used to doing regularly, dhiman keeps when he plays, he and liton are in the same team. Anamul has mithunin his team so he doesn't really keep either.

roman · #11 May 15, 2015, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jadukor
Why after India test? So that he can drop some more catches and say final goodbye? When you have identified a problem why wait another test?

We are only playing 1 test against india. That could be the reason

Night_wolf · #12 May 15, 2015, 09:23 PM

i wish he gave up both

NoName · #13 May 16, 2015, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Night_wolf
i wish he gave up both

One step a time! We're getting there

Kohli_Sox · #14 May 16, 2015, 03:24 AM

He should give up both and only bat

Rana Melb · #15 May 16, 2015, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Gowza
I don't believe so, not regularly. Interestingly having just looked at some matches liton has actually kept and opened the batting the the same match (FC of course). Actually in January this year he kept, opened and scored 150. But it's not something he's used to doing regularly, dhiman keeps when he plays, he and liton are in the same team. Anamul has mithunin his team so he doesn't really keep either.

So it would be interesting how they might perform at this level. Specially when they ve to perform with bat as well. I would personally believe mushi should step down from captaincy first. He was the cause for our many loss.

Gowza · #16 May 16, 2015, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Rana Melb
So it would be interesting how they might perform at this level. Specially when they ve to perform with bat as well. I would personally believe mushi should step down from captaincy first. He was the cause for our many loss.

Why not both at the same time? The reality is it's easier to take the gloves off him and bring in another keeper than it is to find a new captain.

As I've said at other times the choices for change of captaincy are most likely:

a) shakib who's had discipline issues and wasn't that impressive (seems to have same prob as mushy) last time he captained a match for bangladesh

b) riyad, but he hasn't done enough to ensure he has a long term spot in the team (would have to have captaincy on a series by series basis Imo)

c) mominul who is young, inexperienced and still establishing himself.

You might have a 4th option in nasir but he didn't even play in the last series.

meazz1 · #17 May 16, 2015, 10:00 AM

He must only focus on batting. He's capable of causing some serious damages to opponents!

M.H.Rubel · #18 May 16, 2015, 01:23 PM

Mushy knows he will not be the captain in future. I have a feeling that he may take a defensive decision by keeping the gloves rather than captaincy.

Rana Melb · #19 May 17, 2015, 01:13 AM

Mushi ll never step down from test captaincy unless he is forced. If he gives away his wkt keeping role I believe he ll play at number four position n riad ll play at six.

Gowza · #20 May 17, 2015, 02:20 AM

Management probably thinking keep mushy as captain until a youngster like mominul has enough experience to take over. I don't think they really want to go back to shakib, nobody liked tamim's tactics when he captained and I don't know what they're thinking with riyad but maybe they don't think he's done enough to ensure an extended period in the test team and obviously you pick a captain to be long term for stability reasons.

So I'd expect mushy to stay as captain and not keep but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Which position does mushy want more? Captaincy or the gloves? Maybe they'll give him the choice rather than deciding for him...

M.H.Rubel · #21 May 17, 2015, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rana Melb
Mushi ll never step down from test captaincy unless he is forced. If he gives away his wkt keeping role I believe he ll play at number four position n riad ll play at six.

According to the statement of the Board president it seems that Shakib is ready as alternate of Mushy in test cricket. So its a tough situation for him. He will have to give up either captaincy or wicket keeping.

Gowza · #22 May 17, 2015, 02:29 AM

Don't know whether shakib will be any better tbh, but if the captaincy does change I just hope they pick someone who looks out for the team first.

Gowza · #23 May 17, 2015, 02:44 AM

They should get mushy to decide before the India series even if he still captains and keeps against India. that way the contenders for the keeper spot can be informed and hopefully they'll start to train a bit harder and the new captain, well if they've got someone in mind and they are in the team already and they aren't part of the senior group who mushy goes to to help make decisions, then they can be included in that decision making group during the India series.

5tonne · #24 May 17, 2015, 09:28 AM

It's a good thing that Mushy will give up keeping for captaincy because sooner or later he will lose captaincy as well. So, we will have Mushy purely as a batman.

Rinathq · #25 May 17, 2015, 10:26 AM

He is the best batsman in the side but he needs to let go of his gloves and his thinking hat and donate it to two different players. Our selection and the overall approach to test cricket isnt great and if he isnt questioning the process, or trying to change the process or become rebellious enough to correct some basic errors, than he adds no value as a captain. Bowling changes, fielding changes and other onfield calls can be done right by so many people. What makes a great captain is setting a standard, identifying the gaps/needs as well as efficient, clever use of the resources/talent available. Mashrafe is someone that has shown that. How hard is it to learn from him? Look at Mash. This guy warrants a place in the squad just as a captain even if he struggles on fitness, struggles on form.