The Mahmudullah Riyad thread!

[Nafi]

60.2 to Sangakkara, caught at short midwicket! Wake up people, a wicket has gone down! It was a short delivery on off stump, he could have hit it anywhere but he decides to go for a pull and doesn't get the elevation, hits it straight to the fielder at short midwicket, who takes a good sharp catch 230/2
66.4 to Dilshan, caught at deep backward square leg! And another one goes down, this time Dilshan. Mahmudullah bowls a half-tracker down the leg side, the batsman wanted to pull it fine, but he plays it in the air and it goes towards deep backward square leg. The fielder charges in and takes a good catch diving forward. Abul Hasan there, kind of makes up for the missed chance on the first day with that catch. 249/3
80.5 to Vithanage, no, the dream is over. No century for the debutant..The batsman goes on the back foot to a flatter one around off stump, and tries to play a forceful punch to the offside, but inside edges it to his off stump. Mahmudullah is all smiles as he has got his third, none of which has come off a wicket-taking delivery. 320/4

[shakibrulz]

Had the 2nd lowest economy rate in first innings and lowest in the second. He can keep things tight, always handy to have on such pitches. And to his credit, the tight bowling is probably what brought his loosners wickets, that and some luck, obviously.

Still, get your **** together, Mullah and score big - you're in the team as a batsman.

[Gowza]

yeah riyad needs to get his batting together. had a look at his stats and he averages 42 batting at #8, awesome, great, but batting any higher he's averaging just 19.

[Rifat]

He did play a crucial role in our ODI series win against West Indies(I thought Mahmudullah deserved Man of Series, but can't complain too much since Mushfiqur's 79 in the 2nd ODI kind of edged him out). It wouldn't be fair to drop him, however the fierce competition in our national team right now plus when Shakib comes back it will be interesting to say the least to see how he responds.

but that shot he got out to in the first innings will definitely play against him if he is considered to be dropped in near future. He is a much better player and he can do it....

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by Rifat
He did play a crucial role in our ODI series win against West Indies(I thought Mahmudullah deserved Man of Series, but can't complain too much since Mushfiqur's 79 in the 2nd ODI kind of edged him out). It wouldn't be fair to drop him, however the fierce competition in our national team right now plus when Shakib comes back it will be interesting to say the least to see how he responds.

but that shot he got out to in the first innings will definitely play against him if he is considered to be dropped in near future. He is a much better player and he can do it....

His position is probably more secure in ODIs, but in tests he's only batted well at 8 and is he a good enough bowler to warrant selection as a bowler or genuine all rounder? Probably not....

[zahidnyc]

Originally Posted by Gowza
His position is probably more secure in ODIs, but in tests he's only batted well at 8 and is he a good enough bowler to warrant selection as a bowler or genuine all rounder? Probably not....

batting at number 8 in test how many times he had to throw his wicket away ? but his average still more than 30 in both odi and test , just one match everyone started against him , if ashraful deserve 120 chance in test and still averaging 23 than mahmudullah should get atleast 100 chance

[BengaliPagol]

Mahmudullah is a test match player.

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by zahidnyc
batting at number 8 in test how many times he had to throw his wicket away ? but his average still more than 30 in both odi and test , just one match everyone started against him , if ashraful deserve 120 chance in test and still averaging 23 than mahmudullah should get atleast 100 chance

riyad is a decent player but his problem is he struggles to play up the order and everyone up the order are playing well. thus he is relegated to #8, which he is doing a fine job at, but if the selectors want to go with an extra bowler or a better gloveman (if there is one) then riyad's spot in the team becomes a question mark. if you had to drop one batter from the current team (including shakib) who would it be? mominul got a 50 on debut, ash just got 190, mushy 200, nasir 100, shakib is quality and riyad clearly has trouble batting higher as his stats show, therefore if a batsman is to be dropped it should be riyad. if he performed up the order when he played there then you would drop mominul but he doesn't.

[zahidnyc]

Originally Posted by Gowza
riyad is a decent player but his problem is he struggles to play up the order and everyone up the order are playing well. thus he is relegated to #8, which he is doing a fine job at, but if the selectors want to go with an extra bowler or a better gloveman (if there is one) then riyad's spot in the team becomes a question mark. if you had to drop one batter from the current team (including shakib) who would it be? mominul got a 50 on debut, ash just got 190, mushy 200, nasir 100, shakib is quality and riyad clearly has trouble batting higher as his stats show, therefore if a batsman is to be dropped it should be riyad. if he performed up the order when he played there then you would drop mominul but he doesn't.

#1 he is not a decent player , if he was a decent player than we wouldnt win the match against england in wc , also against srilanka in asia cup , and the 5 match odi series against wi , and plz dont judge mominul with riyad , bcz mominul didnt played 85 odi match or near 20 test match or neither he had test century against newzeland or neither 3 consecutive 50 against 3 times world champions australia .

[Tiger444]

Originally Posted by Gowza
riyad is a decent player but his problem is he struggles to play up the order and everyone up the order are playing well. thus he is relegated to #8, which he is doing a fine job at, but if the selectors want to go with an extra bowler or a better gloveman (if there is one) then riyad's spot in the team becomes a question mark. if you had to drop one batter from the current team (including shakib) who would it be? mominul got a 50 on debut, ash just got 190, mushy 200, nasir 100, shakib is quality and riyad clearly has trouble batting higher as his stats show, therefore if a batsman is to be dropped it should be riyad. if he performed up the order when he played there then you would drop mominul but he doesn't.

I'd actually drop Mominul instead of Riyad. He might have not scored well when he was up the order but it doesn't change the fact that he has come in, in tough situations and perform. Plus he's far more experienced and provides versatility with his batting and owning skills. He has a 40 odd average in bowling which is not Shakib good but that's still pretty good. Not everyone can be Shakib.

Mominul's still really young and even though he's looked good at times, he's also been nervy. Again that's a sign of a young batsman. Bring him in slowly and I think he'll become better but in the mean time, Riyad gets my vote when Shakib gets back.

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by zahidnyc
#1 he is not a decent player , if he was a decent player than we wouldnt win the match against england in wc , also against srilanka in asia cup , and the 5 match odi series against wi , and plz dont judge mominul with riyad , bcz mominul didnt played 85 odi match or near 20 test match or neither he had test century against newzeland or neither 3 consecutive 50 against 3 times world champions australia .

I'm talking tests not ODIs, and averaging just above 30 with the bat might be good for BD but it isn't that great on a global comparison.

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by Tiger444
I'd actually drop Mominul instead of Riyad. He might have not scored well when he was up the order but it doesn't change the fact that he has come in, in tough situations and perform. Plus he's far more experienced and provides versatility with his batting and owning skills. He has a 40 odd average in bowling which is not Shakib good but that's still pretty good. Not everyone can be Shakib.

Mominul's still really young and even though he's looked good at times, he's also been nervy. Again that's a sign of a young batsman. Bring him in slowly and I think he'll become better but in the mean time, Riyad gets my vote when Shakib gets back.

If I want a test #8 then riyad is my man, but batting up the order I'd back mominul. Bowling isn't that relevant unless he's going to have a sizeable bowling role but yes his bowling can be useful.

[Jadukor]

I think Ryad is a good test match player. He has the temperament and technique to do well in this format. He looks to be a better player when there is no pressure on run scoring quickly. Even in the limited overs cricket most times he scores fifties when the match is lost or stays not out. While that is useless in ODI cricket, occupying the crease is very useful in Test cricket and that's where he belongs.

I never thought he was a good ODI player in the position he plays. How many Man of the Match awards has he won in any format? I would say very few. We need a player with more guts like Nasir to come in situations where the powerplay is on.. 10 overs to go and 80-90 to get. I can't imagine Ryad pulling off a win from that kind of situation. He will be very handy when we need 50 off 80 balls where he could be calm and knock off the runs in singles but with our bowling attack that's a very unlikely scenario against the big teams.

[Eshen]

Originally Posted by shakibrulz
Had the 2nd lowest economy rate in first innings and lowest in the second. He can keep things tight, always handy to have on such pitches. And to his credit, the tight bowling is probably what brought his loosners wickets, that and some luck, obviously.

Still, get your **** together, Mullah and score big - you're in the team as a batsman.

Yeah, we are still in need of him with both bowling and batting sides still so inexperienced, and when Shakib is not around. But he will be axed from the Test team soon enough if he keep failing to show his worth as a specialist batsman.

[Gowza]

just to be clear i'm not saying he's a bad batsman or has been doing a bad job. the job he was given in the WI series he did great. but logically not many test teams bat down to number 8, and stats show riyad hasn't performed batting higher than number 8, he's mainly in the team as a batsman. so if the selectors did want to play an extra bowler, or want a specialist keeper or when shakib comes back i don't think it's unfair to suggest that his position in the team may come under discussion. i mean the only spot he could take in the middle order is mominul's, so even if you put aside that mominul scored this 50 on debut and riyad has a poor record batting above #8 his only chance is taking mominul's spot which surely the selectors would still discuss as he did get the 50 on debut (plus naeem got a ton at #4, he's not there due to injury).

if the selectors want to bat to #8 then sure riyad's spot is secure, but if they don't want to bat to #8, then it will be between riyad and momiul. mominul has a 50 batting at #4 in his first ever test innings whereas riyad despite doing well at #8 hasn't done very well above that. they could drop mominul push shakib/nasir/shakib up the order and have riyad at #7 but mominul got his 50 at #4, shakib has to bowl a lot so they might not want him at 4, mushy has to keep so they might not want him at 4 and nasir has been doing very well if not better than riyad batting down the order at #7 so they probably don't want to push him up. not to mention naeem is out with injury and he scored a ton batting at #4 so it's quite possible they'd prefer to go with naeem or mominul over riyad.

again, this depends on whether they want to bat down to #8 or not, atm with shakib injured his spot should be secure.

[zahidnyc]

Originally Posted by Gowza
I'm talking tests not ODIs, and averaging just above 30 with the bat might be good for BD but it isn't that great on a global comparison.

i understand its a global comparison , but the fact is we not talking about global we r talking about bangladesh , show me how many players in bangladesh averaging more than 30 in 85 odi matches probbaly 2 or 3 , and u talking about test where riyad has been batted always late at the order where he found himself with lower order batsman and end of the day he had to throw his wicket away bcz he was running out of partner , but still averge more than 30 which only few bangladesh player achieved in test , i guranteed if he didnt bat at # 8 and didnt had to throw his wicket away than his average wouldbeen by now 40 + trust me , he have fitness he have the guts , he is strong to hit sixes lyk what no other bangladesh player can do , but i can tell his only problem is less confidence on himself , but when gets out of that trust me noone can stop him insha Allah

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by zahidnyc
i understand its a global comparison , but the fact is we not talking about global we r talking about bangladesh , show me how many players in bangladesh averaging more than 30 in 85 odi matches probbaly 2 or 3 , and u talking about test where riyad has been batted always late at the order where he found himself with lower order batsman and end of the day he had to throw his wicket away bcz he was running out of partner , but still averge more than 30 which only few bangladesh player achieved in test , i guranteed if he didnt bat at # 8 and didnt had to throw his wicket away than his average wouldbeen by now 40 + trust me , he have fitness he have the guts , he is strong to hit sixes lyk what no other bangladesh player can do , but i can tell his only problem is less confidence on himself , but when gets out that trust me noone can stop him insha Allah

well he's batted between 4-7 in 10 innings, batted at #8 for 16 innings. you're saying he has to throw his wicket away batting at #8 yet he has performed much better there. when he's batted higher than #8 and he's been given time to score runs and not throw away his wicket he's hasn't done well at all (averaging). he clearly bats much better in the #8 position than he does higher up the order. 10 innings is a decent amount of innings to see how a player goes in that role. he scored his century batting at #8.

[Jadukor]

Originally Posted by zahidnyc
and u talking about test where riyad has been batted always late at the order where he found himself with lower order batsman and end of the day he had to throw his wicket away bcz he was running out of partner , but still averge more than 30 which only few bangladesh player achieved in test ,

Heard this many times. Lets make one thing clear... nobody is doing injustice to Ryad by demoting him at 8. He likes batting at 8. He likes it because there is always an excuse for failure. If he gets out one can say he was running out of partners and had to go for it...yet if he makes a big score then he can be praised as the new Laxman. In test cricket it is upto the top six to setup the innings. That's where specialist batsman are placed and they take the responsibility to put up competitive totals day in day out. Do you honestly believe if Ryad really wanted he wouldn't have earned himself a spot in the top six while for so many years our no. 3 and 4 have struggled? He is not there because he doesn't want to be there. He didn't even step up and play in the top order in BPL where he was the captain.

[zahidnyc]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
Heard this many times. Lets make one thing clear... nobody is doing injustice to Ryad by demoting him at 8. He likes batting at 8. He likes it because there is always an excuse for failure. If he gets out one can say he was running out of partners and had to go for it...yet if he makes a big score then he can be praised as the new Laxman. In test cricket it is upto the top six to setup the innings. That's where specialist batsman are placed and they take the responsibility to put up competitive totals day in day out. Do you honestly believe if Ryad really wanted he wouldn't have earned himself a spot in the top six while for so many years our no. 3 and 4 have struggled? He is not there because he doesn't want to be there. He didn't even step up and play in the top order in BPL where he was the captain.

yaa all said the said same things before tamim made his test debut , i still remember that , but he got through , i was just wondering how people just jumped up to drop him just bcz of 1 mistake and still noone appreciate where he took 3 wickets out of total 4 srilankan wickets , and another one comparing him with who just played 1 innings where riyad is been around with team for almost 6 years now , sometimes i feel lyk some people just hate riyad bcz they know soon he gonna become captain insha Allah which they dont want

[Gowza]

Originally Posted by zahidnyc
yaa all said the said same things before tamim made his test debut , i still remember that , but he got through , i was just wondering how people just jumped up to drop him just bcz of 1 mistake and still noone appreciate where he took 3 wickets out of total 4 srilankan wickets , and another one comparing him with who just played 1 innings where riyad is been around with team for almost 6 years now , sometimes i feel lyk some people just hate riyad bcz they know soon he gonna become captain insha Allah which they dont want

just so it's clear i said this a number of times before riyad's last test innings, his last innings just added to the evidence already there that suggests he's not a good middle order batsman, in tests at least. but i have been saying this for awhile, batting down to #8 isn't an ideal team structure, especially when the bowling is very weak. now the batting is starting to strengthen, if the top 6/7 batsmen get strong enough the selectors won't feel a need for a batsman to bat at #8 and might go with another bowler instead. i realise shakib is basically a frontline batsman and bowler but even with that the bowling is still weak so an extra bowler would be useful.

if the team bats like it did in the last innings consistently then there won't be much need for riyad to be at #8, an extra bowler could easily be played, and if that happens then to stay in the team he needs to find a spot higher up. he's not an opener, he's not a #3, shakib, mushy and nasir aren't going anywhere so that leaves the #4 spot. the #4 spot just happens to be where mominul performed on his first chance and where naeem the injured got a ton in the last test series. now given riyad's record batting 4-7 in tests i think there would at least be a discussion on whether to take naeem or mominul ahead or riyad as the #4.

as far as ODIs, his bowling is more useful there, he does need to find a place higher up the order in that format to because we all know he tends to take a bit of time to get in and in ODIs there usually isn't time for the #7/8 to use up balls to get themselves in.

[simon]

as long as he scores runs I don't mind if he is batting at 7 or 8.
We need a team full of consistent batsmen & to help their consistency the coach & captain need to sort out the batting position for each batsman.

[beshideshi]

I think we are making pre mature conclusions. Mahmudullah's class was visible in several of the innings he has played. He had one bad innings, ONE. Let him try and score some runs in the second innings, which I am sure he will.

Mahmudullah adds some edge to the team with his bowling and his cricket mind as well. I know it is hard to see, but he has a better cricket brain than many in our team and it will be visible in the near future. Hopefully he scores some runs in the second innings, when he scores runs, there is no other batsman I'd rather watch.

[AsifTheManRahman]

He shouldn't be dropped. He just needs a good whipping. Is Jurgensen that man?

[Night_wolf]

Originally Posted by beshideshi
I think we are making pre mature conclusions. Mahmudullah's class was visible in several of the innings he has played. He had one bad innings, ONE. Let him try and score some runs in the second innings, which I am sure he will.

Mahmudullah adds some edge to the team with his bowling and his cricket mind as well. I know it is hard to see, but he has a better cricket brain than many in our team and it will be visible in the near future. Hopefully he scores some runs in the second innings, when he scores runs, there is no other batsman I'd rather watch.

every time somebody says Mullah has a cricketing brain i remember asia cup 2012..how can mullah have a cricketing brain?..giving strike to the tail ender with 2 balls to go just for a over throw

[Tiger444]

Originally Posted by Night_wolf
every time somebody says Mullah has a cricketing brain i remember asia cup 2012..how can mullah have a cricketing brain?..giving strike to the tail ender with 2 balls to go just for a over throw

So just 1 play determines a player's cricket brain? That's a pretty weak argument there. You can disagree with the notion that Riyad doesn't have a good cricket brain but lay down more evidence than just 1 incident