Need to drop Bhimrul and Razzak to save BD cricket

[fishyguy]

Razzak is the bowler who basically cost BD the test matches against England. Is a poor bowler, has no variatio,n control is not international quality. Whats the point of playing him. Naeem and Mullah combined gives BD spinning options and its sheer stupidity to keep persisting with Razzak when you have much better options. Bhimrul for T20 is pathetic as well. If you are gonna drop Zunaid why would you keep a player with an even worse record. Bhimrul will NEVER make it because he is just not good enough. No matter how much you try you can never make it without the talent. They should drop him open with Tamim and Ashraful and play Aftab in # 3. Drop Razzak and play that new guy who debuted against England in the 2nd test or Nazimuddin.

[Farhad]

Originally Posted by fishyguy
Razzak is the bowler who basically cost BD the test matches against England. Is a poor bowler, has no variatio,n control is not international quality. Whats the point of playing him. Naeem and Mullah combined gives BD spinning options and its sheer stupidity to keep persisting with Razzak when you have much better options. Bhimrul for T20 is pathetic as well. If you are gonna drop Zunaid why would you keep a player with an even worse record. Bhimrul will NEVER make it because he is just not good enough. No matter how much you try you can never make it without the talent. They should drop him open with Tamim and Ashraful and play Aftab in # 3. Drop Razzak and play that new guy who debuted against England in the 2nd test or Nazimuddin.

No need to bother checking the stats, huh?

[Tiger444]

Originally Posted by fishyguy
Razzak is the bowler who basically cost BD the test matches against England. Is a poor bowler, has no variatio,n control is not international quality. Whats the point of playing him. Naeem and Mullah combined gives BD spinning options and its sheer stupidity to keep persisting with Razzak when you have much better options. Bhimrul for T20 is pathetic as well. If you are gonna drop Zunaid why would you keep a player with an even worse record. Bhimrul will NEVER make it because he is just not good enough. No matter how much you try you can never make it without the talent. They should drop him open with Tamim and Ashraful and play Aftab in # 3. Drop Razzak and play that new guy who debuted against England in the 2nd test or Nazimuddin.

I do agree that Imrul is limited with his talent but as of now the guy is the best option for ODIs..hes a very hard working player and would take him over a player like aftab anyday..zunaed would be my ideal option 4 all forms of the game but the problem is hes way 2 inconsistent in ODIs..he shouldve been in the T20 squad though..I felt that he wouldve been key 2 the game against pakistan..hes already had success against them and it wouldve been smart 2 have him in there..

Razzak has totally lose it so far..however he should just stick 2 ODIs and T20's..tests is not 4 him..if he does bad in the next match then his spot will come under scrutiny..

[al-Sagar]

bhimrul was the top scorer in NCL t20, lol

the most valuable player, lol again

[aniksh1]

Zunaid needs to replace Imrul...he is a better batsman

Razzak needs to hit the nets....

[wiseshah]

Choose player from under19, they have better capability and mental strength.

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[wiseshah]

I think players are not the problem, it's the pre fixed batting line up thatcost us the game,

in a situation like that, they should send after shakib

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[Bond]

Originally Posted by offstump
bhimrul was the top scorer in NCL t20, lol

the most valuable player, lol again

ncl t20 sucks, ashraful was lowest scorer or something with the bat, who was the highest scorer yesterday and who scored a golden unda? Imrul needs to be flushed down the drain, he's not of International standard in t20 and test, ghordhop. I'll have him in my odi squad for now, but when his avg drops to 14 which soon will do so, i'll kick him out.

[Farhad]

Originally Posted by Bond
ncl t20 sucks, ashraful was lowest scorer or something with the bat, who was the highest scorer yesterday and who scored a golden unda? Imrul needs to be flushed down the drain, he's not of International standard in t20 and test, ghordhop. I'll have him in my odi squad for now, but when his avg drops to 14 which soon will do so, i'll kick him out.

Your right. Also, Jason Gillespie once scored a double century while Bradman scored a golden duck a bunch of times. I never understood all the fuss about Bradman being great, when he's so obviously worse than a full time bowler

[Bond]

Originally Posted by Farhad
Your right. Also, Jason Gillespie once scored a double century while Bradman scored a golden duck a bunch of times. I never understood all the fuss about Bradman being great, when he's so obviously worse than a full time bowler

Gilespie scored against our pathetic toothless bowlers, just shows how uselsss bangladeshi bowlers are that even a player of Imrul's caliber smashes them around. Comparing Bradman's 0 to Gilespie's 200 is a bit strange and awkward, if Bradman batted against our faltu bowlers he would have scored 500 not out

If you are trying to say Imrul is better than Ashraful, then I am

[Farhad]

Originally Posted by Bond
If you are trying to say Imrul is better than Ashraful, then I am

Better? No. More effective 75% of the time? Yes

[cricman]

Originally Posted by Farhad
Better? No. More effective 75% of the time? Yes

Imrul Kayes is not an Quality International Caliber batsmen, He's a slow ODI batsmen who happens to be extremely lucky he's partner is World Class Batsmen. He has a Terrible Test Record as well.

Juniad is a better T20 option than Imrul, #'s can be deceiving ... your eyes are not

[wiseshah]

I think t20 opening we should depend on
tamim plus

junaed or nazimuddin or anamul haq

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[Farhad]

Originally Posted by cricman
Imrul Kayes is not an Quality International Caliber batsmen, He's a slow ODI batsmen who happens to be extremely lucky he's partner is World Class Batsmen. He has a Terrible Test Record as well.

Juniad is a better T20 option than Imrul, #'s can be deceiving ... your eyes are not

Nobody is arguing that he should be in the Test team. He should be kept as far away from that side as possible. But the idea that all domestic records should be thrown out the window when evaluating players is preposterous...

Each and every player who has gotten into the side so far has done so by performing well domestically, and I dont see that changing soon. Kayes has gone through all the ranks to get to the international side, all the while averaging over 30 in limited overs cricket. I find it funny that you mention he's slow in ODI's, but you dont realize that his strike rate is actually higher than Junaids! Kayes just won us a T20 game single handedly (and with a very decent strike rate might I add) just this week! Oh how quickly we forget....

JS hasnt scored over 30 in any form of limited overs cricket since August of last year. On top of that, he had horrible outings in both tournaments coming into this WC. Do we just throw all that out and let him play because your "eyes" tell you that he deserves it? Even Sachin doesnt get that kind of preferential treatment! Its all a moot point anyway, as he's been injured since the beginning of the tournament and wont be ready to play until after the Aus game...

[cricman]

Its all a moot point anyway, as he's been injured since the beginning of the tournament and wont be ready to play until after the Aus game...

If we was selected he wouldnt have been injured in the SA A match

Junaid averages 26 in T20I @ 160 SR ... Which is very good.

He has a T20 Pedigree, he was player of the tournament in the Inaugural DPL T20, Where he dominated as he averaged 50 for the tournament.

[Tiger444]

Imrul should be the opening partner now doubt 2 tamim in ODIs..the guy has proved himself with a pretty solid average..in T20s and tests I would rather have Zunaed though..Zunaed has better T20 stats compared 2 his ODI stats..and in tests hes much better then imrul..

[Farhad]

Originally Posted by cricman
If we was selected he wouldnt have been injured in the SA A match

Junaid averages 26 in T20I @ 160 SR ... Which is very good.

He has a T20 Pedigree, he was player of the tournament in the Inaugural DPL T20, Where he dominated as he averaged 50 for the tournament.

No question. He's played pretty well in the past. As a matter of fact, because of that past history, I'd probably choose him over Kayes if he averaged around 20 in the NCL (even though Kayes averaged 30). But you just can't justify his selection after he averaged just 13, which was less than the likes of Tapash, Rasel and Razzak...

[simon]

1 thing very common abt Bhimrul & Razzq is that they both are much bttr in ODIs than any other format.
These 2 shld be reserved for Odis only.

[ahms]

Rafiq would have done better job in ball and bat than Razzaq. BD should have called him for this tournament only.

[Ajfar]

I agree our domestic cricket is crap. its total crap. and Imrul is the King of Crap. But obviously Other players mentioned are so much better than him that theyshould be the king of king of Crap. why don't they rule the domestic league? since Aftab, Alok are so so so so so so so so much better player why don't they rule our domestic league. Imrul may be horrible, actually he is horrible, but he got picked because he performed, that's not his fault. or is it? yes Big Z does have a better record than him in International T20 but if he does have a better record in T20 and if he is a much better T20 player, then why did he fail so miserably in the recent NCL T20 and PCL. You perform and you get picked, you do horrible and you get dropped. You don't get selected just because you have a better previous record, hey if we stick to that logic Bashar would still be ruling the number 3 position in Test.

[BanArafath]

I still think Razzak is a very good bowler and sometimes he is better than Shakib in shorter version of games but not in test cricket. Dropping Razzak would not be a good idea.

I would like to see Aftab is playing in place of Imrul or Nayeem because both of them are not a big hitter of the ball like Aftab.

[Fortuner]

Why cant team management understand which player suits where.

Razzak should never play test and T20. Just stick with ODI's.

Imrul is not an attacking opener. Why play t20? Should play ODI untill he develops into an attacking batsman for t20.

Shuvo, for sure has some contacts in BCB, other wise how in the earth is he eligible to play in such an international level tournament that too against PAK, defending champs.

Alok should have played in his place and for sure Alok atleast would make contact with the ball unlike Shuvo, couldn't make contact with the ball.

Razzak could be replaced very much by Rasel.

Aftab should play as well.

[beshideshi]

Come'n guys, I thought we as fans were over the "bash someone after one bad innings" stage. Imrul has played really well in ODIs, he has played well in the NCl, and he only faced 2 deliveries in that game. No need to make a hasty call saying he should be out of the team. I think he will fire next game.

[al-Sagar]

Originally Posted by bangladesh_sy
I agree our domestic cricket is crap. its total crap. and Imrul is the King of Crap. But obviously Other players mentioned are so much better than him that theyshould be the king of king of Crap. why don't they rule the domestic league? since Aftab, Alok are so so so so so so so so much better player why don't they rule our domestic league. Imrul may be horrible, actually he is horrible, but he got picked because he performed, that's not his fault. or is it? yes Big Z does have a better record than him in International T20 but if he does have a better record in T20 and if he is a much better T20 player, then why did he fail so miserably in the recent NCL T20 and PCL. You perform and you get picked, you do horrible and you get dropped. You don't get selected just because you have a better previous record, hey if we stick to that logic Bashar would still be ruling the number 3 position in Test.

our domestic league is crap, i agree. but not all players are crap. there are lots of players who performs a lot but when comes to international cricket they are crap. but that does not mean all domestic performers will be crap.

but the problem is those who will never get to settle in international cricket gets lots of chances. those who have higher percentage of settling into international cricket get less chance.

just an example. suhrawardi shuvo. he is a big performer for Bd in domestic, under-19, academy or a team. now struggling in international stage. but has he been given enough support from the team or captain to support.

he was first selected for the 2nd odi. he was included as specialist bowler. but he was introduced as the 7th bowler in the 28-29 over and was given only 3 overs. how does it fell for a full time bowler when he is given the ball after two par timers. does it helps his confidence ???

in the third odi he was given 10 overs and did well.

yesterday in the t20 match was again introduced as 6th/7th bowler and was given only 1 over, whereas partimers was getting more preference than a full timer.

looks like having in the team is a harm for the team and captain wants to hide him. looks like shakib does not have the confidence to give him the ball and gives naeem and raj the ball who gets spanked for runs.

i dont say shuvo is vettori but until a captain back him to bowl and gives him more exposure how can a bowler be confident ???

the same happened to shakib when he came to BD team. he was given less chance to bowl as captains did not have confidence in him. but when he was given more and more chances he showed what he can do.

so when u have somebody new in the team, dont hide him. give him more exposure and that will show how good or bad he is.

[tkandi4]

Against Pakistan, why didn't Sakib use Mahmudulla as a bowler?