Cricinfo on 1st ODI

[Spitfire_x86]

Bulletin

Verdict

Agree with them. What's so good about this 11 run defeat instead of 100 run defeat?

This was a very ordinary BD performance against a crippled Indian team. The team management are successfully made the players to play for personal goal, not for victory. They are destroying the potential of talented players like Nafees Iqbal.

Edited on, December 23, 2004, 3:36 PM GMT, by Spitfire_x86.

[Shish Ahmed]

Mr. Anand Vasu is basically a biased Indian reporter.

India scored 40 odd runs in the last 3 overs.
Bd just slogged he said.

The Indian line up probably has double the ODI's played between them than BD even with 2 Indian debutants.

So what's he on about saying it was a weak Indian team.???

Cricinfo is this a Indian run website or what??

[acbizz]

they are blind mf.... nothing else

[Spitfire_x86]

I've seen lot of matches like this. This is negetive cricket and this kind of cricket has never brought any good for us.

India's 40 in last 3 overs by "some bowlers who can bat a bit" meant that if India had the ability to kill our bowling throughout the innings. Suppose by some miracle of Allah, our bastmen managed 270 runs by batting first in the 2nd ODI. Do you beleive our bowlers can make us win from that situation? Opposition will try hard to destroy our bowling from the very beginning, and the result will be a very one sided contest.

[Spitfire_x86]

I don't care if Anand Vasu is biased or not, I care about the truth.

If we really play well, then it will be praised to some degree even by the most biased opposition journalist. Asharful's 158, BD 1st innings of Chittagong Test, Rafiques consistent good performance were much praised by the same writers of Cricinfo.

[Shish Ahmed]

Yes Indian scored 40 in the last 3 overs, what did they do in the previous 47overs. ?

I suppose positive cricket only comes from winning matches.

What was so negative about BD performance anyway???

[Shish Ahmed]

They praised it because they had no choice. Even then BBC website gave more praise than this Cricinfo lot.

[Spitfire_x86]

Originally posted by SHISH AHMED
What was so negative about BD performance anyway???

All of them played only for personal goals, trying to win the match was their second priority

[Spitfire_x86]

And FYI, Cricinfo is a part of Wisden group

[paco]

Not to take away from the fact that we batted relatively well (compared to recent performances), and bowled relatively well .. a loss is a loss. We also have to keep in mind that India played one of their frontline bowlers (Pathan).

Of course, we also rested Masri, and the hapless Indians could still muster only 245

[Shish Ahmed]

Everyone has to look at their Individual performance because BD have few match winners. We are trying to get there!!

India has Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, Kaif who have won matches just by their performance.

Plus these must have more ODI'S between them compared to BD.

[Shish Ahmed]

Originally posted by Spitfire_x86
And FYI, Cricinfo is a part of Wisden group

I don't care they are still INDIAN writers!!

[Pundit]

SF, what's your point here ?

Our objective here is first to become more competitive by bridging the loss difference gap.

Your expectations were too high. Just 2 yrs ago we go mercilessly pounded by a full 2nd tier SL team. Now India throws in 3 new folks and look how close we came. That too w/o Masri.

[Spitfire_x86]

How can one become a match winner if they don't try to play for winning the match?

Personal good/great performance always come "by the way". Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, Kaif became match winners, because they wanted to win the match for their team and had the ability to do so. All of their great knocks came "by the way", not by solely playing for a good personal achievement.

[Shish Ahmed]

You have to look at personal performance first to establish yourself as a match winner. Then you can judge to see which players are going to be match winners!!

As i said we are getting there maybe a bit slowly but we are developing some match winners.. i.e. Ash, Rafiq, Bashar, Mashrafe.

[Spitfire_x86]

Originally posted by Pundit
SF, what's your point here ?

Our objective here is first to become more competitive by bridging the loss difference gap.

Your expectations were too high. Just 2 yrs ago we go mercilessly pounded by a full 2nd tier SL team. Now India throws in 3 new folks and look how close we came. That too w/o Masri.

My point is, the scoreline is deceiving. 11 run defeat means a very competetive match and any side could've won the match.

Speaking of Mashree, if he played India could've scored 10-20 less runs. But in the end we would end up losing the match.

The truth is, we had few good moments in this match, but never looked like remotely close to winnning the match. We played for the same old target (50 over batting and lowering the defeat margin), not for winning.

Most of the supporters think this match was a different one...we played so much better. But the reality is harsh, and we don't have too much too cheer from this match. We just can be happy thinking that it looks good on scoreboard.

[Pundit]

SF, stop writing verbatim off Cricinfo. The point everybody is making here is that a loss by 11 runs is far better than 111 runs. Everybody also knows that BD is not capable of beating India.

[pagol-chagol]

Originally posted by Spitfire_x86
I don't care if Anand Vasu is biased or not, I care about the truth. If we really play well, then it will be praised to some degree even by the most biased opposition journalist.

You seem to require praise from every Tom, Dick and Harry. Are you sure you were not a puppy in your previous life?

[fwullah]

SF, Yes, 11 run defeat does sound deceiving but '28 runs off the last over' is the exact description of the match.

Actually when Bashar and Aftab were going all guns blazing, it looked like that we were on our way to win. But then Aftab tried to play shots once too many, of course, it wasn't Aftab's fault since he is too young and too inexperienced to be blamed, we still had a chance when Bashar was batting. So you can't say that we were not trying to win.

Ofcourse, by the time Pilot and Sujon came in together, all the chance of winning the match was long-gone, and it helped them to play without any pressure from which they started to play to lowering the defeat margin.

And yes, it was a different match, otherwise, we would have fall in the category of '30 runs for the loss of 5 wickets', if not worst, so in that sense, we played much much better.

[pagol-chagol]

I don't believe the pressure theory that the commentators tried to legitamized. The fact of the matter is that the Indian bowlers really sucked. If we were a little more aggressive in batting lineup changes we would have won this. Not sending in pinch hitters instead of Rajin, Mushfik made the diff.

Hey, we also played without Masri, Alok, Rana, Talha, Sharif, Golla, Durjoy, Akram and Bulbul. They missed what - Sewag & Zahir.

[Cricket46]

To me an 11 run defeat is much better than a 100 run defeat, though both are defeats. Besides, when was the last time we lost to someone by less than 11 runs? I thought overall this was a very good performance. My reading is that we lost to India mainly because of their superior fielding skills. And yes, India is much stronger than us.

[pagol-chagol]

[i]My reading is that we lost to India mainly because of their superior fielding skills.

People who didn't see the game would not understand how big was that.

[Ahmed_B]

SF... you completely sound like the ESPN commentators (who were all Indians except for Athar) right at the end of the match.
“11 runs defeat... wow that may sound so very close.. but hei.. BD only made the match look like that in the last 6-7 overs or so... otherwise they played all negative cricket throughout the middle of the innings... India was always on top...” bla bla bla.. n so on!!

But u wana hear the truth on the other side?? Well India lost 3 wickets within 50 runs... took 26 overs to reach 100 and 45 overs to reach 200... now why don’t you and ‘Crackinfo’ call that ‘Negative Cricket”??
Now I guess that was only ‘Underprepared pitch that kept the balls low!” right???!!
:duh:
It’s only the last 5 overs when Ind scored those 45 more runs n saved their faces in some way!!

U wana hear the real truth?? Well India were never like making 240+.. they just got lucky that they made that much! Maybe India is just lucky that Nafees/Rafiq/Aftab made some mistakes early in BD innings... otherwise IND would hav to sweat their brains off trying to find excuses for a REAL DEFEAT!!

The hard determination to get the match through was very much visible in BD captain BASHAR today.. he showed some real gutts and always looked like focussed towards the end!!

[al Furqaan]

yes this was a 2nd rate india team...but arent they the 2nd best in the world??? also, when india scored 40 in the last 3 overs its called good cricket...bangladesh doing the same is just slogging...india at 44-3 is part of the game plan, BD at 40 odd-3 is a "usual collapse."

bottom line is anand vasu, and the other indian pricks are just self-righteous, hypocritical SOBs as are anyone that defends their writing. even banglacricket members arent as biased as these turd brained propagandists.

[Tintin]

even banglacricket members arent as biased as these turd brained propagandists.

Is that a compliment or an insult ?