Hannan out, Aftab and Enam in

[chinaman]

"Bangladesh have dropped opener Hannan Sarkar for the second Test.

Aftab Ahmed takes his place and spinner Enamul Haque Jr has also been added to the squad."

BBC >>

What about Kapali?

[nasifkhan]

why alok is in the team???

he should have been dropped too..

i know he is a very talented batsman but we dont need any batsman who never justifies his talent.

Ajke Kapalir out deke mone hoise je pitaya ei betar matha fatai deya dorkar.....kicchu shikenai...

[fwullah]

nasifkhan, give Alok Kapali a break, I will also DEMAND the selectors to give Kapali a break. Aaar koto?

Its not like just a matter of scoring a big knock and then he'll be back, you need them (Kapali/Hannan) to be playing in the domestic cricket first.

In case of Hannan, since we, the fans don't have any idea of how confident Hannan is, and since a few months have past after he was dropped, so we could not totally say it was not time for Hannan to come back to the squad.

May be I'm wrong, but don't the selectors have 'eyes' to see that when a player is going to perform or not to perform?

[oracle]

you need them (Kapali/Hannan) to be playing in the domestic cricket first.

Agree. The domestic comp will get a much needed boost with these guys there on a daily basis. We could always get Alok to captain the team. We need a domestic comp thread to discuss this, i.e who and when are things going to happen.

Oh no...no, don't tell me this is a plot by HF to get a consultancy job to creating a real Alok team.

[mahbubH]

The rule should be if a player is dropped he should not back in the team before showing good performance in the "proper" domestic league. One practice match 40+ score should not be enough to get another chance. If there is no domestic league near future then the player should wait till the league starts or BCB increases the length of the league. The much-talked HP squad could only bring Hannan-Kapali type players back in the fold and make our frustrattion longer.

At this moment I would like to have a player who can score don't care how his technique is. A technically sound batsman who cannot score is no need for BD at this moment when we are becoming a laughing bunch of test/ODI cricket.

[ZunaidH]

Let's all file a petition to keep Alok out of the team. It is at the best interest of the team as well as Alok. We can always mail it to BCB.

[mahbubH]

lol ..BCB!! BCB people are not qualified enough (in cricket sense) to get a petition from us!

[Ahmed_B]

Alok's case seems to be familiar to chacha's in some way....
no matter how he plays... he won't be dropped!!
this is just too much!

[Ahmed_B]

we are all talking about domestic league... but anyone has any clue to why BCB is failing to conduct domestic leagues??
if this continues like this... without the leage for a few more years...we will run out of all international-standard players in a very short time!!
and BCB is busy with the most effectless 20-20 format of the game.. which is almost totally useless in making players.. it only aims for the entertainment!

[Beamer]

Even though Alok is in the 13 man squad, I doubt he will play. Since Bashar is out, they will put Aftab in no.3 slot coming after Golla and Nafis. That is a big responsibility for someone making his debut. Rajin and Ashraful will follow in n0 4 and 5. At no6, I bet they will play Mushfiq and not Alok. Mushfiq for no other reason but for his willingness to stay in the wkt and in temrs of runs scored, he wouldn't score less than Alok ( that is a shameful expectation from a test no6 ). And he will share the opening bowling responsibility with taposh instead of Tareq. Given the pitch to be expected in Ctg that is not a bad tradeoff. We will clearly play three spinners. So, at no.7, as usual Pilot. No. 8,9,10..the three spinners ( rafiq, rana, enam ) and taposh the 11th man to complete the squad though he would probably bat before Enam. That is the team. Alok is in the squad as an extra bat in place of Bashar. Won't see him or tareq in the second test. Frankly, Mushfiq is a better bet than Tareq right now. He only bowled twelve overs and was all over the place. Mushfiq would do better than him.

[brikonwall]

Alok, Hannan should be ousted from the team for a really LONG time. Alok has to prove him by scoring couple of tons in the domestic league + some A class matches before even getting considered for selection. Hannan needs to be forgotten until thee is no cricketer left to open the inning for Bangladesh.

Nafis, I think can become a better weapon than Ashraful for Bangladesh if he is taught how to stay cool and calm.

Bulbul or Nannu (Minhajul) needs to be back. This will give us an experienced middle order.

In my view we should mix up the line up a little bit more with youth and experience. As we all know youth is there, but grooming the youth isn't. Only being with an veteran will help the youth groom better.

[brikonwall]

Tareq Aziz also needs to get dropped.

[rafiq]

Agree with beamer's team, was expecting an extra batsman instead of enamul but maybe it will work to have the extra spin firepower. nice to see one bowler come back from injury. Tapash/Mushfiq bowling makes more sense - we were talking about that in the chat room last night - but I don't know about Mushfiq as #6 batsman - only a half measure but all they can do right now i suppose.

They could open with Javed/Ashraful again, let Nafees handle the #3 slot which he can. That may provide the sound opening the team needs, because right now by the time Ash comes in it's too late. Also less pressure on Aftab if plays down the order. No one is talking about Javed Omar - he had been in good form this year before his hamstring injury, I think he needs to shoulder a ton of responsibility in the 2nd test.

bashar's continued absence is demoralizing. Not sure what this team can do to pick itself up. I would use the lineup below to try to stem the rot (am not advocating Ashraful as a long term opener, but without Bashar, Ash needs to move up the order to stabilize things - you cannot trust nafis and aftab to do that. Aftab is not a #3 - don't put him there or he will score a duck, guaranteed)

1. Javed
2. Ashraful
3. Nafis
4. Rajin
5. Aftab
6. Rana
7. Mashud
8. Mushfiq
9. Rafique
10. Tapash
11. Enamul

[rafiq]

by the way, all the comments about bringing back players not on an announced 13 man squad - maybe there could be a separate thread to really discuss how it is possible. Simply saying "so and so should be brought back" adds very little value to the discussion IMHO. And although Alok and Tareq are on the 13 man squad, people should realize they likely won't play - there's no need to drop them in that case.

[Zobair]

agreed mostly with beamer's and rafiq bhai's comments. This would be my team:

1. Javed Omar
2. Nafis Iqbal
3. Md. Ash
4. Rajin Saleh
5. Aftab Ahmed
6. Masud
7. Mushfique
8. Rana
9. Rafique
10. Tapash
11. Enamul Haque

Comments:
1. Open with specialist openers.
2. Aftab should debut at no higher than number 5.
3. Masud should be given the resposibility of stabilizing the innings which he already does, and will probably be able to d oit better if there are a couple of capable bats coming after him. It must be very frustrating for him to come and just somehow conjure up a revival with tail-enders. Plus he being the captain will have more time out in the middle and marshall his partners.

[al Furqaan]

there must be a pro-alok conspiracy this guy is always on the squad regardless of his performance...my patience has already worn out with him...with him in the game bangladesh will be playing with 9 wickets per innings

[al Furqaan]

i doubt aftab will play well...i just hope nafis cools down, ash played commendably, just had no support. im glad enam was in the squad...i have high hopes for him. wish shahadat was in and/or mushfiq

[mahbubH]

don't move ash to the opening position in test matches... he better stays where he is now!

[Beamer]

Pompous and Rafiq..Yes, We agree on the makeup of the team and both of you have valid reasons for the batting order. Even tough I mentioned aftab at no.3, I also mentioned that is huge task for some one making a debut. Also, I am reluctant to tinker with no.4 and no.5 since those two batsmen look like the most stable in the line up. But, due to Bashar's exclusion, maybe some tinkering is ordered. I am against Ashraful opening Rafiq. Can you imagine if we lose him early, what type of negative impact that will have on the team? I agree with the specialists opening. So, Omar and Nafis is a go..And cannot stress the fact enough of the importance of Golla to provide a foundation. He has been miserable and as a senior member he has let us down. After a close reexamination, I also think now that putting Aftab in no.3 would be very risky and instead like him at no.5. So, no.3 Ash, 4. Rajin and 5. Aftab. Pilot can promote himself to no.6, so he can calm down Aftabs nerves and pace the innings with him. We need to throw in a mixture of senior-junior in this line up. It is way too inexperienced. Then we have all the bowlers and Mushfiq that we agree on to follow...and hope for the best. I like Enam's inclusion. We clearly needed a third spinner last match and Enam will do that..

[Zephaniah]

Originally posted by pompous
agreed mostly with beamer's and rafiq bhai's comments. This would be my team:

1. Javed Omar
2. Nafis Iqbal
3. Md. Ash
4. Rajin Saleh
5. Aftab Ahmed
6. Masud
7. Mushfique
8. Rana
9. Rafique
10. Tapash
11. Enamul Haque

Comments:
1. Open with specialist openers.
2. Aftab should debut at no higher than number 5.
3. Masud should be given the resposibility of stabilizing the innings which he already does, and will probably be able to d oit better if there are a couple of capable bats coming after him. It must be very frustrating for him to come and just somehow conjure up a revival with tail-enders. Plus he being the captain will have more time out in the middle and marshall his partners.

D'accord - right player selection and batting order. Agree with Rafiq's and Beamer's points too.

Just 3 SLAs in the team (as spinners) left me wondering how influential an off-spinner could have been in this situation/pitch, had we have a quality one in the country!

[MarvinDaMartian]

After reading all the posts , I am having the impression that whoever we send as openers will come back shortly without sweating the Kiwi bowlers at all. So we loose two recognized batsmen without much score. If all the bastmen are same, why not try sending two of our bowlers as opening batsmen? By doing that these two bowlers would get enough rest before their turn to bowl comes. So my openers are

1. Manjurul

and

2. Rafique

By doing this, we are not sacrificing Ashraful or "talented" Nafis as openers.

[DotBall]

The way our batsman had perfromed in most test matches it makes me wonder if we need to revise the basics for our batsmen. We have batsmen with great syle and with tons of potential..... isn't that how we always praise our batsmen. But look at the trail enders, they are more reliable than our top orders in most of the tests and they have no style or high potential medal around their neck. Let's get down to simple things, who cares how good of a style one has or how much potential they have if you are failing consistently you got nothing to offer.
We call ourselves "tigers" but we haven't shown much of the fighting spirit. I don't know how to fix it but sure can't hold back my frustration. Alok, Hannan, Nafis, and whom ever just play with your head and defience.
Good luck in Chittagong

[rafiq]

Originally posted by MarvinDaMartian
After reading all the posts , I am having the impression that whoever we send as openers will come back shortly without sweating the Kiwi bowlers at all. So we loose two recognized batsmen without much score. If all the bastmen are same, why not try sending two of our bowlers as opening batsmen? By doing that these two bowlers would get enough rest before their turn to bowl comes. So my openers are

1. Manjurul

and

2. Rafique

By doing this, we are not sacrificing Ashraful or "talented" Nafis as openers.

Please realize my Martian friend, here on Earth it just doesn't work that way!!

[bourny3]

My team: In batting order. I will go with Martians theory.

1. JO
2. Nafis
3. Ash
4. Rajin
5. Aftab
6. Alok
7. Mashud
8. Rana
9. Rafique
10. Enamul
11. Tapash

I would open the bowling with Tapash and Aftab for 5 overs, then bring on the spinners. 3 SLAs will work because 2 SLAs in the 1st test got 9 wickets in 1 innings.

[Tehsin]

About bringing back Bulbul and nannu. This isn't 2000 or 2002.

Take a look at this, How is bulbul any better then Alok or Hannan. Some of you probably asked for his head when his bat failed match after match:

Name                Mat    I  NO  Runs   HS     Ave     SR 100 50   Ct St



Alok Kapali          15   30   1   533   85   18.37  49.44   -  2    5  -

Al Sahariar          15   30   0   683   71   22.76  51.39   -  4   10  -

Aminul Islam         13   26   1   530  145   21.20  34.86   1  2    5  -

Habibul Bashar       30   59   1  2079  113   35.84  58.87   3 17   16  -

Hannan Sarkar        17   33   0   662   76   20.06  46.65   -  5    7  -

Khaled Mahmud        12   23   1   266   45   12.09  58.46   -  -    2  -

Khaled Mashud        28   53   7   898  103*  19.52  32.80   1  2   50  5

Manjural Islam Rana   4    7   1   164   39   27.33  32.41   -  -    2  -

Mehrab Hossain        9   18   0   241   71   13.38  32.65   -  1    6  -

Mohammad Ashraful    20   39   1   891  114   23.44  38.57   1  5    3  -

Mohammad Rafique     13   25   4   399  111   19.00  57.91   1  -    4  -

Mushfiqur Rahman      8   15   2   191   46*  14.69  28.29   -  -    3  -

Nafis Iqbal           1    2   0    50   49   25.00  38.75   -  -    1  -

Rajin Saleh          10   19   0   513   60   27.00  34.77   -  2    9  -

Sanwar Hossain        9   18   0   345   49   19.16  46.43   -  -    1  -

Shahriar Hossain      3    5   0    99   48   19.80  41.59   -  -    -  1

According to cricinfo, Aminul DOB is 2/2/1968, that puts him at 36 years and 9 month. That is offcourse if his actual DOB hasn't been doctored unlike the others. A 37 years of age, a player who is playing in a league which is almost like the second division cricket in Sylhet or Chittagong can't be our answer, can he ?

Let's look at ALL of his innings. Let's see if there is any UNCANNY similarity with either Alok or Hannan:

Runs Pos Dismissal I R Match



 145   4 caught    1 L Only Test v Ind in BD  2000/01 at Dhaka [1512]

   6   4 lbw       3 

  84   4 caught wk 1 L 1st Test  v Zim in Zim 2000/01 at Bulawayo [1543]

  11   4 caught    3 

  12   4 caught    1 L 2nd Test  v Zim in Zim 2000/01 at Harare [1545]

   2   4 lbw       3 

  10   4 bowled    1 L 1st Match v Pak in Pak 2001/02 at Multan [1560]

  18   4 caught    3 

   6   4 caught wk 1 L 2nd Match v SL  in SL  2001/02 at Colombo (SSC) [1561]

  56   4 bowled    3 

  12   4 lbw       1 D 1st Test  v Zim in BD  2001/02 at Dhaka [1566]

   6*  4 not out   3 

  21   4 caught    2 L 2nd Test  v Zim in BD  2001/02 at Chittagong [1568]

   1   4 caught    3 

  14   4 caught wk 2 L 1st Test  v NZ  in NZ  2001/02 at Hamilton [1577]

   0   4 bowled    3 

  42   4 caught    1 L 2nd Test  v NZ  in NZ  2001/02 at Wellington [1579]

   4   4 caught    3 

  25   5 lbw       1 L 1st Test  v Pak in BD  2001/02 at Dhaka [1584]

  11   4 lbw       3 

  25   5 caught    1 L 2nd Test  v Pak in BD  2001/02 at Chittagong [1586]

   2   4 bowled    3 

   0   6 caught    1 L 1st Test  v SL  in SL  2002    at Colombo (PSS) [1609]

   0   6 caught    3 

   5   5 lbw       1 L 1st Test  v WI  in BD  2002/03 at Dhaka [1630]

  12   5 lbw       3 

Last five innings yeilded 19 runs, any wonder why this aging cricket was dropped from the team ? If I was a selector and one of the oldest player was failing like this and my team was relatively young - i'd rather invest in future. Sure, there will be early hiccups, these players would take some time to grow into their roles but in 3/4 years time, they would get a world of experience and will be valuable assets to the team.

Just a break down:
Innings played: 26
Scores under 10 (double digits): 11
Scores under 20: 19 OUT OF 26. We do have very selective memory, we hear the name Bulbul and the only thing we remember is that 145 in the debut test. In reality, more than 1/3 rd of his runs came from only 2 innings and 62% (327/530) of his runs came from four innings.


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Nannu is one of my alltime favorite BD players.Unfortunately, Cricinfo shows his current age at 39 years and 30 days. He hasn't played competitive crcket in two years and here's his ODi average, the as match was played in the 99 world cup:

                     Mat    I  NO  Runs HS1  HS2  HS3     Ave 100  50   0



overall               27   26   2   453  68*  53*  45   18.87   0   2   3

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I hope this put a stop to the repeated calls for the return of these players. No time to look back, all we have now is the future.

Edited on, October 25, 2004, 8:56 AM GMT, by tehsin.