What should be the criteria for coming to the national side?

[WarWolf]

We have been watching poor performace of bangladesh team, mostly in test cricket, since our birth in test cricket. Most of the times, the reasons seemed to be lack of temperament, inability to build longer innings and poor shot selection.

Bangladesh have awarded 47 test caps in 49 test matches. This means, on average, we brought a newbie in every test. This cannot be acceptable, by means, in this standard.

I don't wanna see any player coming to the side without having experience of atleast 35 FC matches. This would give them atleast some exposure and experience to cope in the international arena. This criteria should be maintained strictly. Someone with less experience may also make it, if he can maintain an average above 50 for at least 20 FC matches.

Please share your views.

[Baundule]

Let us make it a point system.

1. Having a close relative in the management: 30 points
2. Each FC match played: 1 point
3. Each FC wicket: 1 point
4. Each 4 wicket haul: 5 pt(bonus)
5. Each FC 100: 20 pt
6. Each FC 70: 15 pt
7. Each FC 50: 10 pt
8. Each FC wicket-throw: -20 pt
9. Each FC Catch: 1 pt for WK, 3 pts for others
10. Each FC stumping: 5 pts
11. 5 FC bye-run conceeded: -1 pt
12. Each FC catch-missed: -5 for WK, -3 for others
13. ...

[WarWolf]

Originally Posted by Baundule
Let us make it a point system.

1. Having a close relative in the management: 30 points
2. Each FC match played: 1 point
3. Each FC wicket: 1 point
4. Each 4 wicket haul: 5 pt(bonus)
5. Each FC 100: 20 pt
6. Each FC 70: 15 pt
7. Each FC 50: 10 pt
8. Each FC wicket-throw: -20 pt
9. Each FC Catch: 1 pt for WK, 3 pts for others
10. Each FC stumping: 5 pts
11. 5 FC bye-run conceeded: -1 pt
12. Each FC catch-missed: -5 for WK, -3 for others
13. ...

Not a bad idea. But won't work in our country.

[scorpion32]

Originally Posted by WarWolf
We have been watching poor performace of bangladesh team, mostly in test cricket, since our birth in test cricket. Most of the times, the reasons seemed to be lack of temperament, inability to build longer innings and poor shot selection.

Bangladesh have awarded 47 test caps in 49 test matches. This means, on average, we brought a newbie in every test. This cannot be acceptable, by means, in this standard.

I don't wanna see any player coming to the side without having experience of atleast 35 FC matches. This would give them atleast some exposure and experience to cope in the international arena. This criteria should be maintained strictly. Someone with less experience may also make it, if he can maintain an average above 50 for at least 20 FC matches.

Please share your views.

Totally agree. I also want to make it at least 50 FC matches with at least 15 matches against foreign teams.

[Sadz]

I think there should be a specialist selector who works with individuals and finds only big talents(similar to the pace hunter programme). Although I do agree with all your views. The thing I stll dont understand is if Bangladesh are good at 50 overs matches shouldnt we at least play 50 overs in a test match 1st innings as well? Some one give me advice why.

[WarWolf]

Originally Posted by Sadz
I think there should be a specialist selector who works with individuals and finds only big talents(similar to the pace hunter programme). Although I do agree with all your views. The thing I stll dont understand is if Bangladesh are good at 50 overs matches shouldnt we at least play 50 overs in a test match 1st innings as well? Some one give me advice why.

Cricket is all about enviroment, pressure aborption and temperament. Test match is completely a different environment and conditions than ODI. Here the bowlers have enough freedom to experiement with his deliveries, captains have liberty to experiement with field placing without worrying to give away some quick runs. In ODI, 2/3 runs may become a big factor. But in test, it is not a big deal. A lot of times, we have seen our batsmen play some wonderful shots, get some big overs and then throw away their wickets.

In ODI, the wickets are mostly batsmen friendly as ODI is a game of runs. But in test, the wickets give favor to both batsmen and bowlers. The condition changes very frequently. You need to cope with it as a batsman.

Teams do a lot of research on the weakness of opponent batsmen. The bowlers will keep on attacking on that weakness until you give him your wicket. In ODI, you can't do that just for the fear of conceding some quick runs.

To overcome all these problems, you must be tough enough to absorb all these pressures. This needs experience and this is the place where we lack most.

[Dhakablues]

The current criteria is: Must be young and from U19 team and medial loved.
Where we need to get: India/Australia/England/South Africa/Sri Lanka/New Zealand model.... which is extensive experience at domestic circuit. No "Jhorey Bok" "1 year stars"..

[Ehsan]

U -19 Team > Academy Team > Domestic Games > A Team > National Team.

That's the route I would take to make our players more competitive for playing in the national side. Something like this will eventually happen. We are a new team and growing, most of players are not good enough for International matches and thats why you see selectors brining players in from U-19 and thats how it has been for a while and will stay there for quite sometime untill when we have a big pool of players with good skill, temperament, and talent (effective application of talent).

[SS]

Originally Posted by Ehsan
U -19 Team > Academy Team > Domestic Games > A Team > National Team.

That's the route I would take to make our players more competitive for playing in the national side. Something like this will eventually happen. We are a new team and growing, most of players are not good enough for International matches and thats why you see selectors brining players in from U-19 and thats how it has been for a while and will stay there for quite sometime untill when we have a big pool of players with good skill, temperament, and talent (effective application of talent).

On the money. Good post.
I will add a time frame attached to it
U-19 -------> Academy team -----> Domestic ----> A team ----------------> Ntnl
(play 2 yrs) (play 2 yrs) (5 yrs) (5 yrs) (5+)

[Tigers_eye]

What should be the selection criteria for the national side?
The current selection criteria is an excellent one. Chief selectors morji. Other selectors nodding their heads.

[LateCut]

Non-resident Bangladeshi only.

[Ehsan]

SS bhai,

Don't you think that time frame is a little too long? That is by the time they start playing for national side they will be around 31 years. This could only happen when we reach the state where Austrialia is right now.

For something a little sooner, I will start taking players in when they are around 25-28. This will modify the time frame as follows:

U 19 ( 2 Years) > Academy Team (2 Years) > Domestic Team ( 2 Years) > A Team (3 years) > National Team (Final Destination).

Notice that there is only 2 years of Domestic games but 3 years of A Team, it is to make players get used to foreign players and conditions. Also, note that players will be playing domestic games even when they are in the national team, and that will keep them in good touch.

[amra_korbo_joy]

The current selection committee should be demolished.

Players should not be judged barely on the basis of domestic cricket. Because it has no quality compare to international cricket.


So criteria should be by vote of a panel of 15 active members (who closely follow) the domestic cricket. This 15 member will consists of current domestic cricket umpire, retired national cricketers who follows the cricket closely, etc. They will judge players only on temperament, technique, physical fitness. Better they can have point system. domestic cricket performance 20% and temperament, technique, physical fitness 80%.

[WarWolf]

Originally Posted by Ehsan
SS bhai,
For something a little sooner, I will start taking players in when they are around 25-28. This will modify the time frame as follows:

U 19 ( 2 Years) > Academy Team (2 Years) > Domestic Team ( 2 Years) > A Team (3 years) > National Team (Final Destination).

A good proposal. Only a little bit modification from me. They should keep on playing domestic cricket and foreign leagues (if opportunity comes for a certain player) while playing for their main teams in the time frame.

[rah]

Originally Posted by Baundule
Let us make it a point system.

1. Having a close relative in the management: 30 points
2. Each FC match played: 1 point
3. Each FC wicket: 1 point
4. Each 4 wicket haul: 5 pt(bonus)
5. Each FC 100: 20 pt
6. Each FC 70: 15 pt
7. Each FC 50: 10 pt
8. Each FC wicket-throw: -20 pt
9. Each FC Catch: 1 pt for WK, 3 pts for others
10. Each FC stumping: 5 pts
11. 5 FC bye-run conceeded: -1 pt
12. Each FC catch-missed: -5 for WK, -3 for others
13. ...

very good idea but i would rather have the points needed be 70plus because anyone hoo scores a 150 plus will have made 30 points fromn jus one game

[Ehsan]

Originally Posted by WarWolf
A good proposal. Only a little bit modification from me. They should keep on playing domestic cricket and foreign leagues (if opportunity comes for a certain player) while playing for their main teams in the time frame.

Oh yes, definitely. I think you missed the last bit of my post. BTW I do not think any foreign opportunity will come for any player until they are in the national side, well atleast as now untill we get anywhere close to Teams like Austrialia and Sri Lanka.

Also, note that players will be playing domestic games even when they are in the national team, and that will keep them in good touch.

[Fazal]

Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
What should be the selection criteria for the national side?
The current selection criteria is an excellent one. Chief selectors morji. Other selectors nodding their heads.

In other word:

They (players) should be NCTMB Certified ( professional Massage Certification)

[WarWolf]

Originally Posted by Fazal
In other word:

They (players) should be NCTMB Certified ( professional Massage Certification)

Fazal bhai, would I be able to play for national team if I complete this certification course?

[reyme]

No criteria will be effective as long as these selctors are around. They are playing with players without really having any clue about time, place, location. Reminds me about Mahinder Amarnaths comment about Indian selectors once: "Bunch of Jokers!".