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October 24, 2010, 05:07 PM
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what kind of pitches do we want: minefields!
http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/...m;view=innings
this is a list of all the lowest totals, batting first since Jan 1, 2000.
apart from India defending 160 something against WI in 2006 (at Kuala Lampur), no one has defended a smaller target than us (174 against NZ) in the 20-20 era - excluding ODIs against minnows. if you take out that Indian win since it wasn't played on a commonplace venue, then our win takes first place since the advent of T20 cricket - which has no doubt increased run rates and made chasing 400 a possibility. also India did it when there was no batting powerplay.
moral of the story, we need tough wickets at least for the world cup. but not for minnows like the coming ZIM series. we need flat tracks, so we can just out-bat them in a high-scoring shoot out.
flat tracks will always favor the superior side (batting, but also in bowling), and minefields will always favor the inferior side, especially if their strength is in the bowling dept (ZIM).
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October 24, 2010, 05:25 PM
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What do you mean by minefield?
IMO, low-slow wickets that we used in NZ series should be ideal for our purpose.
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October 24, 2010, 05:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eshen
What do you mean by minefield?
IMO, low-slow wickets that we used in NZ series should be ideal for our purpose.
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hmm,me think so too.
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October 24, 2010, 06:14 PM
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Do we get to use our curators for the World Cup? I remember when Nimbus and BCCI asked for a Road we gave it to the for the Tri Series and subsquetly we couldn't get them ready for the England series due to the time constraints so they were batter friendly
That Chittagong Zim 44ao match was a mine field, that was a more like 5th Day test Match in Sri Lanka. ... Sharp Turn even for our SLA's and Bounce.
Remember 3 of our 6 Matches in the WC are D/N so Due will be a Factor and that means u MUST BOWL 1st and chase under the lights, I don't want to see Shakib or Siddons get cute and bat 1st in D/N
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October 24, 2010, 06:30 PM
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No way we should create flat road tracks vs India. There is no way we will ever chase down 300+, not with JS around. And I know BCCI will ask for it. But we should tell them to stuff it. And if they try to mess with us, just call ICC for harassment. Enough with their control freakness
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October 24, 2010, 06:31 PM
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Does not matter it is a minefield or something else, it must be for the best interest of our team in the upcoming matches, which may need some research and analysis by the management team and the curators.
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October 24, 2010, 06:44 PM
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To add to my previous post - you have to keep in mind that our curators are bunch of modons. if you ask them to make something other than what they make most of the times (low-slow wickets), they may screw it up big time. So, it's best to leave them to do what they do best.
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October 24, 2010, 09:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eshen
What do you mean by minefield?
IMO, low-slow wickets that we used in NZ series should be ideal for our purpose.
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yeah, low and slow.
flat tracks would be best for IRE, NED matches...or rank turners, but ur right our modon curators would F it up.
and why isn't rafique a curator yet?
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October 24, 2010, 10:10 PM
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and why isn't rafique a curator yet?
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you can't just bring in a guy, just because he wish to do the job or has expirence of working in a dhan field. He has to earn it.
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October 24, 2010, 10:19 PM
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No SA did it vs AUS...Ind can never do it..they will wet their pants seeing 400 a target
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October 24, 2010, 10:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dilscoop
No way we should create flat road tracks vs India. There is no way we will ever chase down 300+, not with JS around. And I know BCCI will ask for it. But we should tell them to stuff it. And if they try to mess with us, just call ICC for harassment. Enough with their control freakness
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what icc???...now a days INDIA(BCCI)=ICC
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October 24, 2010, 10:26 PM
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No SA did it vs AUS...Ind can never do it..they will wet their pants seeing 400 a target
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hahaha.. May b u r r8 bhaiya..lol
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October 25, 2010, 12:26 AM
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Slow turning wicket where 240-250 runs target is defendable.
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October 25, 2010, 12:47 AM
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Here are the stats for different teams against spin on subcontinental tracks, for last two years (considering teams that played at least 5 ODIs in the period) -
Opposition | Players | Span | Mat | Inns | Overs | Mdns | Runs | Wkts | BBI | Ave | Econ | SR | 4 | 5 | v Zimbabwe | 13 | 2009-2009 | 10 | 38 | 250.2 | 28 | 898 | 57 | 5/29 | 15.75 | 3.58 | 26.3 | 0 | 1 | v New Zealand | 31 | 2009-2010 | 13 | 36 | 273.1 | 8 | 1166 | 49 | 4/33 | 23.79 | 4.26 | 33.4 | 2 | 0 | v Bangladesh | 45 | 2009-2010 | 25 | 71 | 504.2 | 22 | 2014 | 75 | 4/6 | 26.85 | 3.99 | 40.3 | 2 | 0 | v England | 14 | 2008-2010 | 8 | 30 | 211.4 | 7 | 1075 | 34 | 4/28 | 31.61 | 5.07 | 37.3 | 1 | 0 | v Pakistan | 38 | 2008-2010 | 22 | 48 | 350.4 | 14 | 1746 | 52 | 3/15 | 33.57 | 4.97 | 40.4 | 0 | 0 | v Australia | 15 | 2009-2010 | 12 | 41 | 301.5 | 10 | 1301 | 35 | 6/38 | 37.17 | 4.31 | 51.7 | 0 | 1 | v Sri Lanka | 41 | 2009-2010 | 38 | 115 | 737.0 | 22 | 3502 | 83 | 5/56 | 42.19 | 4.75 | 53.2 | 2 | 1 | v India | 42 | 2008-2010 | 42 | 94 | 612.5 | 11 | 3344 | 66 | 3/35 | 50.66 | 5.45 | 55.7 | 0 | 0 |
http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/...s;type=bowling
As you can see, after Zimbabwe and New Zealand, Bangladesh is the third worst team against spin. A pitch that provides big turners will make a huge boomerang effect on our batsmen that our bowlers may not be able to make up for (well, unless the opposition is Zim, NZ, or an even weaker team).
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October 25, 2010, 01:21 AM
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To add to my previous post, my strategy will be -
For the match against India, cut the grass only the evening before the match, and use only light rollers. Field three pacer (Mash, Shafi, Rubel), ie protect Shuvo from slaughtering, and hope for the best.
For matches to follow, cut the grass well before the match day, use heavy rollers, make the wickets low-slow, and field all three SLAs. However, make sure the wickets will stay firm through out the tourny, ie won't crumble, and won't make a big boomerang effect on our batting.
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October 25, 2010, 10:27 AM
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low slow wickets,that's where we play best.our SLAs can get into the act and our tst batsmen will be comfortable scoring what they aim for...
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October 25, 2010, 10:33 AM
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This isn't exactly rocket science, but unfortunately the people in charge (grounds committee, curators) don't seem to get it right most of the time. Slow, low, rough surfaces are the way to go.
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October 25, 2010, 10:41 AM
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To prepare pitches for the WC is the responsibility of ICC. Correct me if I am wrong.
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October 25, 2010, 11:23 AM
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I think ICC has to approve the pitches guys..So for WC we cant make the pitches as we want.
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October 25, 2010, 12:43 PM
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I think ICC has to approve the pitches guys..So for WC we cant make the pitches as we want.
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We can.
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October 25, 2010, 01:45 PM
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We can.
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oh thats great then...
Last edited by roman; October 25, 2010 at 03:19 PM..
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October 25, 2010, 04:40 PM
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If you wouldnt fix a match with drugs, and you wouldnt fix a match with thugs, and you wouldnt fix a match with cash, why do you accept fixing a match with a curator ?
Make normal Bangladeshi slow, low, bit of turn pitches. Our side plays on such pitches all the time - they dont.
Theres your home ground advantage, right there.
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October 26, 2010, 12:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by al Furqaan
yeah, low and slow.
flat tracks would be best for IRE, NED matches...or rank turners, but ur right our modon curators would F it up.
and why isn't rafique a curator yet?
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I agree with the post about creating pitches towards our strength but the BCB is too incompetant to have thought of this yet. Regarding curator you can't bring in Tom, Dick and Harry to create a pitch, it's a specialised job that requires someone who knows what they're doing. Someone from Sri lanka would be useful in creating dust bowls for tests, ODIS are much harder because nowadays wherever you play cricket they are flat tracks, bit of seam movement if the weather is conduces it in the UK, NZ, SA or slow and low like ours in the subcontinent.
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October 26, 2010, 12:58 PM
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Quote:
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No SA did it vs AUS...Ind can never do it..they will wet their pants seeing 400 a target
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Just wet?
BTW, I felt bad for the Aussies once in this millennium. When their world record total lasted only one inning...
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October 26, 2010, 08:36 PM
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I like typical Ian and his pitch.
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