Two pacers or three?

[shuziburo]

Despite the conventional wisdom of having at least 3 pacers in any winning side, I think we need to drop Rubel and bring in Taijul. Pace bowling has been our Achilles heel and the spinners have to bail us out anyway. Why not include a good spinner in the team? Taijul can score some useful runs as well.

[Fazal]

Depends who is the 3rd pacer.... if Rubel is the 3rd, then a BIG NO.... currently he is a brainless liability. Predictable pitch is going to bring more misery against England and NZL.

If you need 3rd FB, then try few overs with Sarkar instead.

Yes Either Sunny or Taijul will give you more economical bowling and few more wickets.

[Rubu]

Taijul instead of Bijoy should be the automatic choice given the pitch and opposition. Yes, a batsman short, but when you need 8, you are already in a defeated mentality.

If Mash cannot play, Safiul should be in.

I'd also want to go with Sunny instead of Rubel, but I'd understand if selectors won't want to go with that gamble.

[Gandalf]

3 pacers. Mashrafe, Rubel and plz plz plz Shafiul. Because, Taskin is young and we do not want to hurt him. He is a very good bowler. On the other hand, shafiul proved himself many times. Remember last world cup? It was his bat that we were able to beat England. He is a very smart bowler and experienced. So I'd choose Shafiul, Mashrafe and Rubel of course.

[Anher]

Our best spinner Shakib is even struggling to take wkts, i would say pacers it is.

[Rubu]

Originally Posted by Anher
Our best spinner Shakib is even struggling to take wkts, i would say pacers it is.

A lot of that has to do with the pitch. With his bowling type (he doesn't get too much turn), he relies on line, length and variation. That means, he doesn't need to rely on pitch. With that, specially in ODI, you will not get too many wickets, specially when other bowlers aren't doing so well. Opposition will just target him, see him off, and get runs from others. That is why he is still maintaining decent RR, but not getting too many wickets.

Players like Taijul or Sunny rely on turns. As soon as they get any assistance from the pitch, like it is expected in the next match, they become wicket takers.

I say we need both types for the next match. Even more so because, pace is doing terrible as well.

[NoName]

Against NZ I think we should go in with 2 pacers, seeing as Eng suck against spin and the pitch will offer assistance. We have SS as a back-up pacer and Nasir can also bowl some slow-pace

[BANFAN]

চোখ বন্ধ করে ৩ পেসার। আমাদের দুইজন স্পিনিং অলরাউন্ডার আছে, তারা দুইজনই জেনুইন বোলার। আরএকজন স্পেশালিস্ট স্পিনার দলে নিলে আমাদের হবে ৬ জন জেনুইন বোলার এবং দুইজন নির্ভরযোগ্য পার্টটাইমটার, তাহলে পেসার বাদ দিবো কেন? ব্যাটসম্যান নেয়ার জন্য? ৭ জন ব্যট্সম্যান অলরেডি আছে, ৩ পেসার এবং ১ স্পিনার বাদে বাকি সবাইতো ব্যট্সম্যানই। বোলিং অপশন এ দুর্বল হয়ে লাভকি? ৮ নাম্বার ব্যট্সম্যানকে তো শেষ ২/৪ ওভার স্লগ ই করতে হবে যেয়ে, সেটাতো, ম্যাশ সফিউল ও করতে পারে।

[Rinan]

two pacer will be a better choice so we can take a extra spinner.

[kalpurush]

Spinners all the way....Mash, Taskin is good enough with Sarker in need.

It's England and the pitch is spin friendly (per previous stat)- team mgt, you know it, right!!

[shuziburo]

Originally Posted by Gandalf
3 pacers. Mashrafe, Rubel and plz plz plz Shafiul. Because, Taskin is young and we do not want to hurt him. He is a very good bowler. On the other hand, shafiul proved himself many times. Remember last world cup? It was his bat that we were able to beat England. He is a very smart bowler and experienced. So I'd choose Shafiul, Mashrafe and Rubel of course.

I understand Shafiul. But, Rubel???

[shuziburo]

Originally Posted by Rubu
A lot of that has to do with the pitch. With his bowling type (he doesn't get too much turn), he relies on line, length and variation. That means, he doesn't need to rely on pitch. With that, specially in ODI, you will not get too many wickets, specially when other bowlers aren't doing so well. Opposition will just target him, see him off, and get runs from others. That is why he is still maintaining decent RR, but not getting too many wickets.

Players like Taijul or Sunny rely on turns. As soon as they get any assistance from the pitch, like it is expected in the next match, they become wicket takers.

I say we need both types for the next match. Even more so because, pace is doing terrible as well.

Did you mean "pace is doing terrible as always" ?

We have produced only one decent pacer so far. Taskin could be another, if he keeps developing.

[shuziburo]

Originally Posted by BANFAN
চোখ বন্ধ করে ৩ পেসার। আমাদের দুইজন স্পিনিং অলরাউন্ডার আছে, তারা দুইজনই জেনুইন বোলার। আরএকজন স্পেশালিস্ট স্পিনার দলে নিলে আমাদের হবে ৬ জন জেনুইন বোলার এবং দুইজন নির্ভরযোগ্য পার্টটাইমটার, তাহলে পেসার বাদ দিবো কেন? ব্যাটসম্যান নেয়ার জন্য? ৭ জন ব্যট্সম্যান অলরেডি আছে, ৩ পেসার এবং ১ স্পিনার বাদে বাকি সবাইতো ব্যট্সম্যানই। বোলিং অপশন এ দুর্বল হয়ে লাভকি? ৮ নাম্বার ব্যট্সম্যানকে তো শেষ ২/৪ ওভার স্লগ ই করতে হবে যেয়ে, সেটাতো, ম্যাশ সফিউল ও করতে পারে।

সিলেক্টরদের ভাবনাও সেরকমই। This is why we keep on playing Rubel. His performance would not allow him to get into a club team in most countries.

Batting and fielding averages
Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St
Tests 22 38 17 195 45* 9.28 447 43.62 0 0 24 4 10 0
ODIs 56 30 17 83 17 6.38 147 56.46 0 0 8 1 10 0
T20Is 11 4 3 8 8* 8.00 13 61.53 0 0 1 0 1 0
First-class 39 62 23 345 45* 8.84 0 0 16 0
List A 91 50 26 141 18* 5.87 272 51.83 0 0 11 2 22 0
Twenty20 36 13 7 16 8* 2.66 32 50.00 0 0 1 0 8 0
Bowling averages
Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4w 5w 10
Tests 22 39 3600 2347 32 5/166 5/210 73.34 3.91 112.5 0 1 0
ODIs 56 56 2537 2382 71 6/26 6/26 33.54 5.63 35.7 4 1 0
T20Is 11 10 200 313 7 2/63 2/63 44.71 9.39 28.5 0 0 0
First-class 39 68 5768 3843 62 5/60 6/85 61.98 3.99 93.0 0 2 0
List A 91 90 4223 3719 130 6/18 6/18 28.60 5.28 32.4 6 3 0
Twenty20 36 35 685 924 39 5/32 5/32 23.69 8.09 17.5 1 1 0

[shuziburo]

Originally Posted by kalpurush
Spinners all the way....Mash, Taskin is good enough with Sarker in need.

It's England and the pitch is spin friendly (per previous stat)- team mgt, you know it, right!!

Do they?

[Eshen]

Don't go overboard with SLAs against England, they play SLAs pretty good.

As many already said, Taijul should come in place of 8th batsman. No need to sacrifice the 3rd pacer to accommodate Sunny too.

On an Australian pitch, pacers are still more lethal.

[Roey Haque]

I see you guys complain about Rubel every time, and then just when the next series is about to start, you are longing for him to be in the team again. Just be consistent.

Cricket is probably the only sport where so much is made about conditions. " Oh, we are playing in Australia, so 3 pacers is mandatory." I just don't agree with the logic. Pace isn't our strength, Yes, we can give two spots to pacers who deserve it. But we produce more spin talent.


It's like if you were a team in soccer with a lack of good strikers, and you still went with a 4-3-3 formation, doesn't make sense, does it?

[jeesh]

Imo the issue isnt entirely Australia. Yes there is less purchase for spinners. But the main issue at hand are the rules. Because of the 4 fielder aspect, its extremely easy to maneuver shots into gaps against slower bowlers. And because of the 2 new ball rule, the ball remains hard, sth spinners never like.

This is why there are only 3 spinners in the top 20. Half of Ashwins wickets came against UAE, otherwise it would have been 2 in the top 20.

We could go for a spinner in place of one of the three quicks. Then Sarkar might have to bowl a few, and we maintain depth with 8 batsman.

Or alternatively we could pick a spinner in place of Anamul, which means we dont need to bowl the likes of Riyad or Nasir or Shabbir.

Its a call the team management will have to make on the day, looking at surface, analysing England etc.

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by shuziburo
সিলেক্টরদের ভাবনাও সেরকমই। This is why we keep on playing Rubel. His performance would not allow him to get into a club team in most countries.

Batting and fielding averages
Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St
Tests 22 38 17 195 45* 9.28 447 43.62 0 0 24 4 10 0
ODIs 56 30 17 83 17 6.38 147 56.46 0 0 8 1 10 0
T20Is 11 4 3 8 8* 8.00 13 61.53 0 0 1 0 1 0
First-class 39 62 23 345 45* 8.84 0 0 16 0
List A 91 50 26 141 18* 5.87 272 51.83 0 0 11 2 22 0
Twenty20 36 13 7 16 8* 2.66 32 50.00 0 0 1 0 8 0
Bowling averages
Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4w 5w 10
Tests 22 39 3600 2347 32 5/166 5/210 73.34 3.91 112.5 0 1 0
ODIs 56 56 2537 2382 71 6/26 6/26 33.54 5.63 35.7 4 1 0
T20Is 11 10 200 313 7 2/63 2/63 44.71 9.39 28.5 0 0 0
First-class 39 68 5768 3843 62 5/60 6/85 61.98 3.99 93.0 0 2 0
List A 91 90 4223 3719 130 6/18 6/18 28.60 5.28 32.4 6 3 0
Twenty20 36 35 685 924 39 5/32 5/32 23.69 8.09 17.5 1 1 0

Drop Rubel, take Shafiul if you like ..

God forbid, if Mash gets injured in his first over or even Taskin, who does the job? That's a big issue and could be single reason to lose.

More over too much pressure on the two pacers, if spinners get hit after PP and you need to mix spin with pace...a third pacer is a must.

previously we went with two because we didn't have a decent pacer, now Taskn has come in, we have all batsmen in form, we have a good spin attack...why would we make ourselves vulnerable by creating a handicap ??

[zman]

We have to go with 3 pacers. England have done fairly well against spin in this WC. Out of the 34 wickets lost only 4 were taken by spinners. No spinner has taken more than 1 wicket against them and that includes Vettori and Herath.

They've done poorly against extreme pace (Southee) and accurate military medium pace - Marsh (5 wickets), Davey (4 wickets), Mathews, etc.

Soumya and Nasir's medium pace could come in handy if they can bowl line and length but there's no point taking an extra spinner when we already have the likes of Shak, Mahmudullah, Shabbir, Nasir in the team. I don't know about Taijul's batting abilities but I'd definitely include a third seamer and take an extra bat/all rounder in the team.

[Jadukor]

3 pacers + Shak & Taijul. Anamul replaced by Taijul and Soumia opens with Tamim.

[BengaliPagol]

Originally Posted by Roey Haque
It's like if you were a team in soccer with a lack of good strikers, and you still went with a 4-3-3 formation, doesn't make sense, does it?

yes it does. You only need 1 striker for the 4-3-3 formation.

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
3 pacers + Shak & Taijul. Anamul replaced by Taijul and Soumia opens with Tamim.

I would hope that happens

That will give us the best team to have a shot at England. Captain can't complain of not having enough resources.

[zman]

hey guys Taijul's record seems exceptional. How did he get dropped after playing only one ODI where he took 4 wickets for 11 runs!

What is his bowling like? who does he compare to? Is he better than Shak?

[Fazal]

If your top two pacer cannot get the job done, then what will your 3rd pacer from the dumpster will do?

[epitaph]

Originally Posted by jeesh
Imo the issue isnt entirely Australia. Yes there is less purchase for spinners. But the main issue at hand are the rules. Because of the 4 fielder aspect, its extremely easy to maneuver shots into gaps against slower bowlers. And because of the 2 new ball rule, the ball remains hard, sth spinners never like.

This is why there are only 3 spinners in the top 20. Half of Ashwins wickets came against UAE, otherwise it would have been 2 in the top 20.

Originally Posted by zman
We have to go with 3 pacers. England have done fairly well against spin in this WC. Out of the 34 wickets lost only 4 were taken by spinners. No spinner has taken more than 1 wicket against them and that includes Vettori and Herath.

They've done poorly against extreme pace (Southee) and accurate military medium pace - Marsh (5 wickets), Davey (4 wickets), Mathews, etc.

Nice observations in these posts. Based on the above, 3 pacers + 2 spinners seems like the best combo. Taijul in Anamul's place should be the only change from last game.

And I'd keep Rubel. He isn't good, but Shafiul is slightly worse.

Originally Posted by zman
hey guys Taijul's record seems exceptional. How did he get dropped after playing only one ODI where he took 4 wickets for 11 runs!

What is his bowling like? who does he compare to? Is he better than Shak?

Based on the Zimbabwe series, he's slightly better than Arafat. and like Arafat, he seems more of a run container than a wicket taker.