Shakib Al Hasan vs Ravi Ashwin - Better test all rounder?

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Shakib al hasan

[Jadukor]

If India makes more 3 day pitches to win, who knows Ashwin might become more lethal than Shane Warne. The south africa series wkts were 10% skill and 90% crumbling pitch

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by Austin 3:!6
Only 1 vote for Ashwin and that too by an Irishman

Clearly shows Donal Cozzie has more cricket sense than most in this forum (after me). Also shows neutrals always rate Ashwin as a better all rounder.

Out of your stats Shakib 4 - Ashwin 2.

Who is the dumb one?

[Shaan]

Shakib Al Hasan the real allrounder, rest are the bit and piece. The pitch Ashwin ball on lately if Shakib were bowling there he could have hauled 10 wicket every test.

[jeesh]

Surprised Ashwin got a vote!

Hard to compare these two. Like already mentioned, Shakib is a pure all rounder who can make it to any team whether as a bowler or a batsman. He is a rare breed of player. Lately only other player who can somewhat match the description is Moeen Ali.

Ashwin on the other hand is a bowler who can bat. I dont think any team will pick him as a batsman. But as far as bowling goes, Ashwin is definitely one of the best in test cricket, if not the best. And whats impressive about him is the fact that he is not a natural talent like a Saqlain or Murali or Harbhajan. He is probably one of the smartest bowlers around who works very hard on his game and keeps reinventing himself.

[jeesh]

Originally Posted by Shaan
Shakib Al Hasan the real allrounder, rest are the bit and piece. The pitch Ashwin ball on lately if Shakib were bowling there he could have hauled 10 wicket every test.

Definitely. The wickets in the recent matches against South Africa would have been enough for Bangladesh to beat the Proteas. Nasir, Taijul, Jubair, Shakib all would have wreaked havoc.

[horizon]

Just so that you remember, Ashwin bowled in SL and in Bangladesh. Apparently, both of them bowled in Bangladesh. He must have done badly there, no one seem to remember

[Austin 3:!6]

Originally Posted by aklemalp
^^What would you expect Austin? You created a thread in a Bangladesh cricket forum beseeching people to vote for a Indian or a Bangladeshi. Most people would vote for the Bangladeshi with their eyes close.

Huh??

So are you accepting its a biased cricket forum and most people voting Shakib only and only because he is a Bangladeshi and not on cricketing logic?

If thats the case sad state for this forum really

Only a fool would believe voting result would be 15- 1 between Shakib and Ashwin without any bias involved.

Only 1 neutral voted and choose the correct player.

JOI BANGLA

[aklemalp]

Originally Posted by Austin 3:!6
Huh??

So are you accepting its a biased cricket forum and most people voting Shakib only and only because he is a Bangladeshi and not on cricketing logic?

If thats the case sad state for this forum really

Only a fool would believe voting result would be 15- 1 between Shakib and Ashwin without any bias involved.

Only 1 neutral voted and choose the correct player.

JOI BANGLA

What do you mean by the "correct player"?

Most people would vote because they know that he's (shakib ) is the top ranked Allrounder.

End of story.

[aklemalp]

I'll have to take this opportunity and congratulate Ravichandran Ashwin for being the top rank Test All-Rounder in the world.



Congrats bro, you truly deserved it!!!!

[Jadukor]

This year BCCI should schedule 20 tests in India so that Ashwin can also overtake Shane Warne in terms of wickets.

[horizon]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
This year BCCI should schedule 20 tests in India so that Ashwin can also overtake Shane Warne in terms of wickets.

You are close to the point, why don't Shakib get the turners those Ashwin get at home?

[Jadukor]

Originally Posted by horizon
You are close to the point, why don't Shakib get the turners those Ashwin get at home?

Because our board is neither a financial powerhouse nor a bully to intimidate icc into not doing anything about the horrible three day pitches. Mirpur would have been banned as a venue if we had attempted a similar pitch.
Lucky for Ashwin...he can continue to be dudhvaat overseas and still beat steyn as the top test bowler.

[Austin 3:!6]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
This year BCCI should schedule 20 tests in India so that Ashwin can also overtake Shane Warne in terms of wickets.

As if Bangladesh is winning overseas day in and day out

In whole 2015 India lost only 1 test match.

Don't worry, the day when BD finally take some courage and tour abroad, they will be back to 9th rank in ODIs. I am not even talking about test cricket because its far way off for you guys.

Dont mock about other teams doing well in home. If not for home, BD still would be competing with Ireland/Zimb for the 9 - 10 rankings.

Honest fact.

[Kohli_Sox]

Why is this even discussed?

Ashwin aka the VVS Laxman The Reincarnation is better batsman than as a bowler. This is because as the pitch is always doctored for him to take wickets, he picks plenty and at the same time he scores runs on the same doctored pitch. So Ashwin's batting > bowling.

Whereas Shakib has been tagged as inferior to even Axar Patel.

Ashwin wins this easily. End of.

[horizon]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
Because our board is neither a financial powerhouse nor a bully to intimidate icc into not doing anything about the horrible three day pitches. Mirpur would have been banned as a venue if we had attempted a similar pitch.
Lucky for Ashwin...he can continue to be dudhvaat overseas and still beat steyn as the top test bowler.

It's a news to me that ICC warned Bangladesh for making bad pitches. I thought its India who was warned.

[Austin 3:!6]

Originally Posted by aklemalp
I'll have to take this opportunity and congratulate Ravichandran Ashwin for being the top rank Test All-Rounder in the world.



Congrats bro, you truly deserved it!!!!

Surely this official ICC ranking is making mockery of the Poll in this thread.

[Austin 3:!6]

Originally Posted by horizon
It's a news to me that ICC warned Bangladesh for making bad pitches. I thought its India who was warned.

He is trolling. Bangladesh tampers all test pitches at home by preparing flat pancakes so that their team can salvage a draw. A bit sporting pitch and BD will lose the test match in 4th day. BCB knows that.

My point is there is nothing wrong in it. Home teams have all the rights to prepare pitches as per their whims. But few posters to come here and say only India doctor pitches is rubbish.

[Jadukor]

Wow seems i struck a nerve there austin. Its ok dude Ashwin's competition isnt Shakib... It should be Murali and Warne. Make some more three day pitch so that he can get another thirty wickets like he did vs SA. Jadeja can boost that wkts column too. Perhaps kohli can also get a 10fer. At this rate i would say Sir Ashwin will have a real shot at getting 900 wkts by the time he is done. What a legendary feat that would be!

[Jadukor]

Originally Posted by horizon
It's a news to me that ICC warned Bangladesh for making bad pitches. I thought its India who was warned.

Oh yeah a warning is such a huge deal. Must have sent shivers down the spine of BCCI leadership. Its almost like fine of match fee for Dhoni when he elbowed mustafizur. Those hurt him badly too.

[mufi_02]

Originally Posted by Austin 3:!6
As if Bangladesh is winning overseas day in and day out

In whole 2015 India lost only 1 test match.

Don't worry, the day when BD finally take some courage and tour abroad, they will be back to 9th rank in ODIs. I am not even talking about test cricket because its far way off for you guys.

Dont mock about other teams doing well in home. If not for home, BD still would be competing with Ireland/Zimb for the 9 - 10 rankings.

Honest fact.

lol it sounds so great when you say it like that. just right before 2015, India lost the tests in Aus. India played only 1 away test in the entire 2015 and that too was against BD. The other 7 test matches were all at home. Lost 1 against SL and then that abnormal series against SA where pitches were so poor that everyone (excluding Shastri) and even ICC themselves complained.

anyway we showed the world that we can compete very well in limited overs overseas. and we proved it no small way but on the biggest stage possible. we kicked England out fair and square and so your 'honest fact' of BD coming down to 9th ranking, if they play overseas, has so merit.

but you are right. Shakib is nothing compared to sir Ravichandran.

[Night_wolf]

Lol man where is Al furqaan when you need him

[Ajfar]

Why do you guys bother responding to him? Let him fulfill his new year's resolution: trolling around in BC.

[horizon]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
Oh yeah a warning is such a huge deal. Must have sent shivers down the spine of BCCI leadership. Its almost like fine of match fee for Dhoni when he elbowed mustafizur. Those hurt him badly too.

Not at all, that proves that Bangladesh also should do it. You seem to agree

[horizon]

Originally Posted by mufi_02
lol it sounds so great when you say it like that. just right before 2015, India lost the tests in Aus. India played only 1 away test in the entire 2015 and that too was against BD. The other 7 test matches were all at home. Lost 1 against SL and then that abnormal series against SA where pitches were so poor that everyone (excluding Shastri) and even ICC themselves complained.

anyway we showed the world that we can compete very well in limited overs overseas. and we proved it no small way but on the biggest stage possible. we kicked England out fair and square and so your 'honest fact' of BD coming down to 9th ranking, if they play overseas, has so merit.

but you are right. Shakib is nothing compared to sir Ravichandran.

Just getting the facts right.
1) India played 4 away Tests, not 1.
2) ICC complained about one of the 4 tests, among other three one more is bad. The last Delhi test was on a fair-square subcontinent pitch and SA themselves accepted that in the beginning. SA is rather a worse team than it was before and recent England series would probably prove it.
3) Shakib seldom plays away as well.
4) Both of them played in the same pitch in Dhaka

I have no interests in who's better though. I'm a fan of both.