Replacement for Mohammed Rafique

[al-Sagar]

Originally Posted by bangladesh_sy
Ya he will stay there. And I don't think he is too bad on pitches that are suited for him. And to be honest we really don't have someone in our line up who can replace him. I would like for us to go into the world cup with 2 full time spinner and one all rounder. We most likely won't be playing 3 pacers back home.

shakib and raj should be two spinners.

naeem and mahmudullah should not be the 2 allrounders .... i feel somebody from nasir, mahmusul hasan can step for a allrounder batting at 8.

naeem, mahmudullah should find a place batting in top 7 and mainly 6th/7th bowler if needed. they should be play as MAINLY batsman.

[Rinathq]

to some ppl,
i am not saying we need players exactly like Rafique. We need a good spinner like him. Everyone is arguing about Sakib's ability. He is still one of our best player. His spin attack is as good as a strike bowler if not better. But he is only one bowler. He can bowl 10 overs in an ODI game. We need a strike bowler who can back him up so we dunt have to have AshraFOOL bowl or Mahmudullah bowl. It will also help get rid of Mahmudullah who is in the team as an allrounder. Funny how he got the title.
Razzaq used to be effective, now his fielding is bad and he is absolutely a waste on condition where it isn't a spin paradise

[Ajfar]

Originally Posted by offstump
shakib and raj should be two spinners.

naeem and mahmudullah should not be the 2 allrounders .... i feel somebody from nasir, mahmusul hasan can step for a allrounder batting at 8.

naeem, mahmudullah should find a place batting in top 7 and mainly 6th/7th bowler if needed. they should be play as MAINLY batsman.

we have to stop forcing our part timers into all rounder category. Its hurting their performance. I think they get a little confused as to what their role is on the team. We need genuine all rounder. Not jora tali marka.

[Awla]

We need variation in Spin bowling attack...for last 4-5 years I am only SLA bowlers(Nayeem & Riad are not spin bowlers)....Are there no Right arm Leg Spin or Off spin bowlers in our country?

[lamisa]

Originally Posted by asddsa
shakib is not a lazy boy...he has just become self-complacent after his achievements. There is a sign of arrogance (at least in my eyes) in his every actions whether its either batting or bowling which wasnt there 1-2 yrs ago. We are just afraid that this arrogance doesnt kill him !

i also feel the same way.i met a bcb board of director member once and he also told me the same thing that "shakiber collar uchu hoye gese".this is a very bad sign,again it shows the sort of mentality in our team

[shakibrulz]

Shakib obviously is better than Rafique, with the bat and with the ball. I bet if he just pays a little attention and shows some temperament, he could be one of the greatest allrounders of the game.

[Dilscoop]

Originally Posted by bangladesh_sy
we have to stop forcing our part timers into all rounder category. Its hurting their performance. I think they get a little confused as to what their role is on the team. We need genuine all rounder. Not jora tali marka.

Marcus North. Not exactly an all rounder. He is a part time off spin bowler. Picked up 6 wickets today. Shane Watson, used to be a bowling all rounder, or a bowler and a lower order bat. Now he opens the batting, and he is doing great. With the bat and the ball, and one of the leading ALR. AB De Villiers, batted everywhere in the order, and performed. He came in as a keeper, batted lower down the order, then opened, now a middle order batsman. I never heard any one complain about his form, how putting him up and down the order ruined his form/career. Hell even Ashrafool makes a good example for this. Cameron White, was a leg-spinner and a slogger. Now he doesn't even get to bowl. Now he is given a job just as batsman, and he is performing with the bat. Tim Bresnen, pure bowler. And England goes with one less batsman to pick up one extra bowler, and depends on Bresnen to perform with the bat. Even though that's not his job. And he hasn't failed. Not with the bat or the ball. Eng just won the series with one of the most short batting line up. I can go on and on. Players should be able to step up and do the job for the team and win games. They should be able to do what they are asked to do. But I don't mean make Tamim or Imrul into a bowler, or all rounder.

So WE - the fans have to stop making excuses for our players and their failures. 'Oh because he is so low down the order he is not performing.' 'They are killing his career by having him at 7-8'. You DON'T know what is good or bad for them. You don't know what's effecting them or what they are good at.

[al-Sagar]

Originally Posted by rahat90
agree 110% with ^^
shuvo should be a test specialist ahead of razaq. maybe use razaq as odi bowler
anyway, any chance that mohamed rafique can stil come into the bd team? i think he can stil cut it at this level for another 1-2 years

i think rafiw may play t20, but he finds it hard to field for 50 overs in ODI. also his ruuning between the wicket is very poor now.

but what rafique can do now is coach our SLA's. shuvo, saqlain, shaker, saju datta, nabil samad, sanjamul ... there are lots of ppl to coach

[Rifat]

Originally Posted by Dilscoop
Marcus North. Not exactly an all rounder. He is a part time off spin bowler. Picked up 6 wickets today. Shane Watson, used to be a bowling all rounder, or a bowler and a lower order bat. Now he opens the batting, and he is doing great. With the bat and the ball, and one of the leading ALR. AB De Villiers, batted everywhere in the order, and performed. He came in as a keeper, batted lower down the order, then opened, now a middle order batsman. I never heard any one complain about his form, how putting him up and down the order ruined his form/career. Hell even Ashrafool makes a good example for this. Cameron White, was a leg-spinner and a slogger. Now he doesn't even get to bowl. Now he is given a job just as batsman, and he is performing with the bat. Tim Bresnen, pure bowler. And England goes with one less batsman to pick up one extra bowler, and depends on Bresnen to perform with the bat. Even though that's not his job. And he hasn't failed. Not with the bat or the ball. Eng just won the series with one of the most short batting line up. I can go on and on. Players should be able to step up and do the job for the team and win games. They should be able to do what they are asked to do. But I don't mean make Tamim or Imrul into a bowler, or all rounder.

So WE - the fans have to stop making excuses for our players and their failures. 'Oh because he is so low down the order he is not performing.' 'They are killing his career by having him at 7-8'. You DON'T know what is good or bad for them. You don't know what's effecting them or what they are good at.

Dilscoop bhai, sorry for the following disrespectful comment:

I have been following your posts lately and this is by far the most mature, accurate, insightful, clear post from you in your promising BC career i have EVER READ!

[shakibrulz]

Originally Posted by Dilscoop
Marcus North. Not exactly an all rounder. He is a part time off spin bowler. Picked up 6 wickets today. Shane Watson, used to be a bowling all rounder, or a bowler and a lower order bat. Now he opens the batting, and he is doing great. With the bat and the ball, and one of the leading ALR. AB De Villiers, batted everywhere in the order, and performed. He came in as a keeper, batted lower down the order, then opened, now a middle order batsman. I never heard any one complain about his form, how putting him up and down the order ruined his form/career. Hell even Ashrafool makes a good example for this. Cameron White, was a leg-spinner and a slogger. Now he doesn't even get to bowl. Now he is given a job just as batsman, and he is performing with the bat. Tim Bresnen, pure bowler. And England goes with one less batsman to pick up one extra bowler, and depends on Bresnen to perform with the bat. Even though that's not his job. And he hasn't failed. Not with the bat or the ball. Eng just won the series with one of the most short batting line up. I can go on and on. Players should be able to step up and do the job for the team and win games. They should be able to do what they are asked to do. But I don't mean make Tamim or Imrul into a bowler, or all rounder.

So WE - the fans have to stop making excuses for our players and their failures. 'Oh because he is so low down the order he is not performing.' 'They are killing his career by having him at 7-8'. You DON'T know what is good or bad for them. You don't know what's effecting them or what they are good at.

Yep, though the thing is that every team looks for allrounders, and end up grooming half baked playas. Like Ravindra jadeja, Michael Yardy etc. All the above mentioned except Twatson and AB suck bawls as allorunders. Proof? Just look at their figures - neither good at batting, nor at bowlng. They ain't producing any Garry sobers no more, so better stick with genuine batsmen and bowlers, unless he's really worth his place, like say, Shakib.

[Ajfar]

Originally Posted by Dilscoop
Marcus North. Not exactly an all rounder. He is a part time off spin bowler. Picked up 6 wickets today. Shane Watson, used to be a bowling all rounder, or a bowler and a lower order bat. Now he opens the batting, and he is doing great. With the bat and the ball, and one of the leading ALR. AB De Villiers, batted everywhere in the order, and performed. He came in as a keeper, batted lower down the order, then opened, now a middle order batsman. I never heard any one complain about his form, how putting him up and down the order ruined his form/career. Hell even Ashrafool makes a good example for this. Cameron White, was a leg-spinner and a slogger. Now he doesn't even get to bowl. Now he is given a job just as batsman, and he is performing with the bat. Tim Bresnen, pure bowler. And England goes with one less batsman to pick up one extra bowler, and depends on Bresnen to perform with the bat. Even though that's not his job. And he hasn't failed. Not with the bat or the ball. Eng just won the series with one of the most short batting line up. I can go on and on. Players should be able to step up and do the job for the team and win games. They should be able to do what they are asked to do. But I don't mean make Tamim or Imrul into a bowler, or all rounder.

So WE - the fans have to stop making excuses for our players and their failures. 'Oh because he is so low down the order he is not performing.' 'They are killing his career by having him at 7-8'. You DON'T know what is good or bad for them. You don't know what's effecting them or what they are good at.

Dilscoop you are missing my point. Yes Marcus North did what his captain asked him to do. And if he continues to impress with the ball than off course his captain will go to him when ever he needs him. The names you mentioned above are continuing on with the change because they are good at it. Shane Watson will continue to open with the bat because he is doing a good job at it, Cameron White's main job is to bat now and he will continue to do so because is he is doing good at it. And same goes for all the other players you mentioned. These teams did an experiment with these players and it paid off and thats why they are continuing on with it. And I can guarantee you had this experiment not worked out their teams wouldn't have continued on with it.

I didn't like the fact our management was batting naem so low down the order or even using him as a first change bowler. But had it worked out for us it would have been great. My point is someone like Naeem is not capable of bowling as a first change bowler in ODI or any other format in every single match. He is not capable of bowling 10 overs in every single ODI matches and getting wickets on a regular basis and also keeping the runs in check. IMO at best he is a part time bowler. Luck might be on his side in one day and he might even pick up a 5 fer like Aftab Ahmed did once. But doesn't mean it will happen every time. Its not wrong to do an experiment but when clearly its visible that its not working out like the way we wanted it to, we shouldn't continue on with that experiment.

[M.H.Rubel]

This is true totally we have failed to produce any replacement of Rafique.Some people were thinking about Surawardy but did not look that much good.So my feeling is we may have to look at Mosharof Rubel

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[FagunerAgun]

Originally Posted by bangladesh_sy
Im sure Rafique wasnt half as good as he was at the end when he was 23 or 24. Shakib has alot of time and a long lng way to go. We are not going to get a ready made Rafique. It all depends on how we develop our spinners and how much opportunity they get and also how bad do they want it.

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Well stated.

[nycpro96]

We still need a good offspinner. And I think Shakib, as an allrounder is a class way higher than anybody else in the world.

[al-Sagar]

Originally Posted by M.H.Rubel
This is true totally we have failed to produce any replacement of Rafique.Some people were thinking about Surawardy but did not look that much good.So my feeling is we may have to look at Mosharof Rubel

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some time its unfortunate for these new players to come into a team when the team is struggling.

Mosharraf Rubel debuted in the odi agaisnt SA, we got allout for 130ish score. Graeme SMIITH was going boom boom to finish the game and when rubel was introduced smith went more boom boom. similar happened to shuvo. he played some games when england or pakistan was scoring highly .... before his intro raj and shakib went for runs. and when the new guy came they took him to attack.

mosharraf was big loss in the ICL. otherwise he could have been a good player in the swuad now.