Again Khaled Mahmud !!!

[babubangla]

Right after his surprising 141*, he produced another balst in the 1-day match with 78. Khaled Mahmud having a good time with his bat.

[billah]

Our Taposh hit a 36 ball 53 for Sylhet also. Good going Baysia man.

[redstar]

Khaled Mahmud, still has a role within the one-day setup. Only if he can show some sort of consistency this season with the bat then can he be considered for the test sqaud (not side!). He's bowling lacks 'bite' to be effective in test cricket. Therefore, he'll be in the side as a batsman who can bowl, rather than as a genuine all-rounder. I'd rather have an extra out-&-out batsman. What do you bring him in as, batsman, all-rounder...? And in place of whom? He should bat higher up in the 1-day side though!

[mwrkhan]

Mahmud is a liability and should not be played.

[redstar]

What's the basis of your judgement mwrkhan? He's an experienced international with a tiger like attitude (typical for short people!!!)

[mwrkhan]

Tiger like attitude. Lol !!!!

[Sham]

Mahmud is a decent cricketer and he will score runs on Dhaka wickets when he is in form, which he obviously is. I won't be against Mahmud in the ODI squad/team in England. He might do a job for us there, especially if he can bowl a nagging line and keep the batsmen quiet. That coupled with a cameo here and there and he will be more than useful. However, I don't think I would pick him in the Test squad, let alone team even if he scored a 100 in every match from now till the end of the season!

[Rubu]

i agree with Sham as well. since england pitches support medium pacers and chacha has a reputation of doing good there, we should take him for odi squad. but in other places where the pitches is spin friendly, i'd suggest to take another SLA instead of him, since we have so many quality SLA.

but for test, his bowling is just not a match for it. and about his batting, he needs to prove in odi's that his bat can talk in internation level as well before he can be taken into the team as pure batsman as suggested by redstar. there is a big problem even with that. we have quite a few quality pure batsman right now to make room for chacha. to include him as pure batsman, we need to drop one of these: rajin, aftab, nafis, ashraful, suman, omar. no i'd not suggest that.

[Fazal]

Originally posted by Sham
I don't think I would pick him in the Test squad, let alone team even if he scored a 100 in every match from now till the end of the season!

Something personal?

[chyicarus]

i think we had a discussion about this issue and i completely agree with Sham here- Mahmud is an asset in ODI but a liability in Tests.
If we do consider him in Tests, then it would be like taking two steps back. Not to disrespect him but i think this is the "moron kamor" phase of his career and he's best used in ODI with such bite!

[couger]

Originally posted by AgentSmith
i agree with Sham as well. since england pitches support medium pacers and chacha has a reputation of doing good there, we should take him for odi squad. but in other places where the pitches is spin friendly, i'd suggest to take another SLA instead of him, since we have so many quality SLA.

Very few English pitches are actually spin friendly. Last thing you want in your attack is lack of variation. 2 SLAs should be good enough. Throw some Fast mediums and Medium pacers in the fold.

[Sham]

NO! Its nothing personal! Its called cricketing sense, and anyone who has it won't pick Mahmud in a test team! Just because he can milk bowlers around on dead tracks in BD (I don't buy all this BCB talk of green pitches) doesn't mean he can be a test batsman in England. Nor a bowler to come to that. We need a proper test team, and in my view, that team should have six specialist batsmen and four specialist bowlers, whoever they are. Bangladesh does not have a Test quality all-rounder at the moment, and when we do (maybe someone from the A team will emerge), I'll be over the moon! Mahmud is a good ODI cricketer and has a big heart, but there is no place for him in the Test team, not as a batsman, even if he scored a million runs this season! The domestic league in BD is still pretty poor and success in it is unfortunately not all that indicative of a player's ability.

What the hell is wrong with people on this forum these day? You can't express an opinion of a player without someone accusing you of having a personal grudge! If anyone has a personal grudge, its you who does! How many times have you written something about Kapali in the last week? Its crazy. I thought the guy was promising, but it seems like he has completely lost the plot and if he never does well enough to play for BD again so be it. I am not going to lose sleep over it. But the way you go on about the guy, its almost like you sit their praying that he fails so you can come and crack another joke about him being assured of his place in the team! Get a life!

[sadi]

i dun think sujon should play test anymore....but if he is in such a form that he scored 100 runs in this season...then why not give him a chance... sometimes an inform batsman can overcome different conditions and continue his form.... dun get me wrong here...i dun want him in the team... but if he scores thousand runs this season, he should get a chance....

[amarbangla@msn.com]

chaccha rockin now.... way to go! thats what he needs to come back with honors..

[Fazal]

Originally posted by Sham
NO! Its nothing personal!

Good to know!

Originally posted by Sham
If anyone has a personal grudge, its you who does! How many times have you written something about Kapali in the last week? Its crazy.

I can assure you that it’s not personal either. When Alok will start "milk bowlers around on dead tracks in BD" like ChaCha, the next day I will be off his back.

You need proof. Rajin Saleh. See now I am longer after Rajin (as long as he is producing).

You may call me 'cricket illiterate' that’s ok, but something personal against Alok? Nah.... you must be kidding… :P

[Fazal]

... bty... the day when selectors stop selcting off-form Alok, I will be off his back also.

[Sham]

Well, its good to know that you dont have any personal grudge against Alok either so maybe you can stop accusing me from now on everytime I write against a player. But how is it constructive to get after a player everytime he plays badly and start supporting him everytime he plays well? Players are going to have patches of form and and times when they cant get bat to ball! Happens everywhere. Personally, I try to judge a player on how good I think he is, having watched him play and try to stick with the ones that I think are good. That doesn't mean I can't be wrong. Sometimes, players I think are pretty ordinary end up doing well, and at other times players who I think are really good turn out to be really disappointing. National selectors of the best teams in the world get it wrong at times, so surely we will as well with regard to a player's future. But I don't see the point of beating up on a player when they go through bad patches and then supporting them when they are doing well. Everyone will have both during their careers!

[Sham]

sometimes, a player will score a good 15 in difficult conditions and get out to a an unplayable delivery. At other times, a player may play a cheeky innings of 50 during which he got 3-4 lives. The problem with judging players based purely on numbers is that you don't know what really happened out there, so let the national league carry on for a while. After the half-way point, we'll get a better indication of who is doing well and who isn't.

[babubangla]

Originally posted by mwrkhan
Mahmud is a liability and should not be played.

Just look at the scorecards of recently completed series against New Zealand and India. I'm sure you will find your "Cooments" as the biggest liability for us all, Not Khaled Mahmud.

[bdboy]

Chacha tu deki goshona deya run kora shuro korlo....

[DotBall]

Mahmud is very valuable for ODI. He has a very good fighting spirit and experience.

[Fazal]

Originally posted by Sham
Well, its good to know that you dont have any personal grudge against Alok either so maybe you can stop accusing me from now on everytime

When did I accused you? I asked you a question if its personal or not and you replied its not. And I accepted that. I don't know why you are accusing me of accusing you?

Originally posted by Sham
But how is it constructive to get after a player everytime he plays badly and start supporting him everytime he plays well? Players are going to have patches of form and and times when they cant get bat to ball! Happens everywhere.

May be constructive may be not. And unlike you I am not claiming all my comments constructive also. To me who cares what I say in a messageboard, ist not going tpo effect a Player's performance or selection process:P

True players goes through patches of off form. And I beleive that you don't fix it by selectiong him in the National team. You have premire league, Team-A etc, etc to fix those. National; team is not day-care center for under acheiving but so called taleneted players.

Originally posted by Sham

But I don't see the point of beating up on a player when they go through bad patches and then supporting them when they are doing well. Everyone will have both during their careers!

I respectfully disagree. As long as a player is selected in the national team inspite of his off-form and lack of performance, I will be after him. Beacuse it affects our National Team. For example, Hannan is off-form but he is also not in the national team. So who cares? But Alok? Not only he is off form, he is constantly selcted in the National team. And thats the difference.

Edited on, February 16, 2005, 3:54 PM GMT, by Fazal.

[Fazal]

Originally posted by Sham
sometimes, a player will score a good 15 in difficult conditions and get out to a an unplayable delivery. At other times, a player may play a cheeky innings of 50 during which he got 3-4 lives. The problem with judging players based purely on numbers is that you don't know what really happened out there, so let the national league carry on for a while. After the half-way point, we'll get a better indication of who is doing well and who isn't.

True. Unfortunately most of us doesn't have the luxury to watch these games in person. Therefore I would rather trust on mere scorecard and reports from newspaper rather than comments from some of the memebers in this board, who somehow claims to be know it all.

May be they know it all. But for me, if it doesn't back-up with score-card and/or reports from newspaper reporters who is wathing first hand, I personally give little value to it.

It may be just me,.... but I am who I am.

[babubangla]

Couple of days ago, I spent some time at "Work" to complie the one-day statistics of BD players while playing for the National Team. I gathered data for all the matches BD National Team played in England and sorted out and summarized the performance of Current national team players.

Just look at the summary below and tell me who else still thinks Khaled Mahmud is a "Liability"?


Batting Stats of BD players in English Condition:

Runs- Innings- Not Out- Ave.
Javed Omar 136-6 -0 -22.67
Mohammad Ashraful 148- 7- 0- 21.14
Nafis Iqbal 258 -7 -0 -36.86
Aftab Ahmed 132 -7 -0 -18.86
Rajin Saleh 164 -7 -3 -41.00
Khaled Masud 221 -14 -4 -22.10
Md. Rafique 86 -9 -2 -12.29
Tapas Baisya 47 -5 -1 -11.75
Nazmul Hossain 06 -4 -2 -3.00
Manjurul Islam Ran 07 -4 -0 -1.75
Khaled Mahmud 241 -10- 2 -30.13
Mushfiqur Rahman 21 -2 -0 -10.50
Faisal Hossain 54 -1 -0 -54.00
Hassibul Hossain 26 -4 -1 -8.67
Manjurul Islam 21 -4 -3 -21.00


Bowling Stats of BD players in English Condition:

Over- Mdn- Run- Wkts- Econ.- Ave.
Tapash Baisya 43- 1 -248 -6 -5.77 -41.33
Nazmul Hossain 46 -4 -189- 3 -4.11- 63.00
Khaled Mahmud 92 -9 -450 -11 -4.89 -40.91
Md. Rafique 75- 4 -311 -10 -4.15 -31.10
Manjurul Rana 36 -1 -137- 5 -3.81- 27.40
Rajin Saleh 11.4- 1 -65 -4 -5.57- 16.25
Md Ashraful 1 -0 -3 -0 -3.00- N/A
Mushfiq Rahman 15.1- 0- 74- 0- 4.88- N/A
Tareq Aziz 20 -2 -84- 2 -4.20- 42.00
Hassibul Hossain 41- 5 -159- 4 -3.88- 39.75
Manjurul Islam 36- 5 -128- 3 -3.56- 42.67

Me too is doubful about K. Kahmud's effectiveness in Test cricket. But for ODI, Mahmud's days are not over yet. He just don't hang in there, when he plays, he becomes one of the pillar of success. So, please when you use words like "Liability" for him, please think twice. Just look at the scorecards and remember the moments of joys he often brings to us all !! I will never mark him as "Liability", rather I would say he is one of the most "Patriotic" player of BD team.

[fwullah]

then can he be considered for the test sqaud (not side!). - Before going through the others' posts, let me give my opinion.

Sujon will be considered in the test side only & if he brings us victories for the national team batting alone against sides like England and Australia.