Can someone please put a stop to this Raqibul Hasan (the old one) nonsense

[psi]

This guy is interviewed by the Channel-i news crew everyday and the conclusion of the discussion is always to drop Raqibul Hasan (junior). He pledges the team to put Ashraful in place of Raqibul Hasan. I am stunned by his lack of cricketing knowledge. Could we send emails to Channel-i to stop such a joke-in-the-name-of-former-cricketer from appearing on their news. We can't let this moron defame the name of Raqibul Hasan (junior). I will be sending my email soon. Please send yours. Thanks.

[Zunaid]

Who was this former cricketer?

Posted via BC Mobile Edition (iPhone)

[psi]

Originally Posted by Zunaid
Who was this former cricketer?

Posted via BC Mobile Edition (iPhone)

Here is his profile: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/conte...yer/56070.html

[shuziburo]

Does Mr. Raqibul Hasan (senior) give any solid reasons? Rock's current form is good. His ODI average is good. His recent SR is acceptable.

[psi]

Originally Posted by shuziburo
Does Mr. Raqibul Hasan (senior) give any solid reasons? Rock's current form is good. His ODI average is good. His recent SR is acceptable.

Nope, no solid reason. He did provide a hollow one though. He thinks that we should put Ash at no. 4 so that we would get to see his batting.

[HereWeGo]

Repost from a different thread...

Ok, he decided to stuck it out against Ireland, NOT THAT HE KNOWS ANY OTHER WAY TO BAT. He shall forever have a slow strike rate. He didnt even try to hit out against India on the power plays.... was still relying on singles...Mushy had to take the risk and thus perished.

Guys we no longer play for loosing respectively, its time that we start to play for wins and for that Raqib is not the answer. Yes with players like Ash, Alok, Shabbir , Shuvogoto , Milon, Ziaur Rahman etc.. We have the possibility of a much worse defeat but we can still dream of a win when we chase 370. There is no way that is a possibility with Raqib in the crease...

37 against Ireland in 60 odd balls and U are telling me that Bangladesh doesnt have players that could have done the same thing!!!! Thats just incredible...

But he is definately a great fielder and apple of JSiddons Eye.... otherwise he sucks...
not a national team material...

Raqib the senior is right..

[psi]

Originally Posted by HereWeGo
Repost from a different thread...

Ok, he decided to stuck it out against Ireland, NOT THAT HE KNOWS ANY OTHER WAY TO BAT. He shall forever have a slow strike rate. He didnt even try to hit out against India on the power plays.... was still relying on singles...Mushy had to take the risk and thus perished.

Guys we no longer play for loosing respectively, its time that we start to play for wins and for that Raqib is not the answer. Yes with players like Ash, Alok, Shabbir , Shuvogoto , Milon, Ziaur Rahman etc.. We have the possibility of a much worse defeat but we can still dream of a win when we chase 370. There is no way that is a possibility with Raqib in the crease...

37 against Ireland in 60 odd balls and U are telling me that Bangladesh doesnt have players that could have done the same thing!!!! Thats just incredible...

But he is definately a great fielder and apple of JSiddons Eye.... otherwise he sucks...
not a national team material...

Raqib the senior is right..

Well the situation demanded a slow batting approach. If we did not have that 37(60) we would not have the 205 which got us the win.

[shuziburo]

Originally Posted by HereWeGo
Repost from a different thread...

[snipped]

37 against Ireland in 60 odd balls and U are telling me that Bangladesh doesnt have players that could have done the same thing!!!! Thats just incredible...

[snipped]

If the other players could have done it, why didn't they? You may not like Rock's inning against IRE, but his inning was the difference between victory and defeat.

Having said that, Rock should bat higher in the order. His average is almost 7 more than Junaid at a slightly lower SR.

[HereWeGo]

Originally Posted by shuziburo
If the other players could have done it, why didn't they? You may not like Rock's inning against IRE, but his inning was the difference between victory and defeat.

Having said that, Rock should bat higher in the order. His average is almost 7 more than Junaid at a slightly lower SR.

why didnt they? cuz they did not need to before bangladesh was 4 down. And We did not win because of Raqibs innings, We won because of our bowling. There is no reason to believe that if SN played in his place than he wont have done better....

anyways my point was simple, the way Raqib played against Ireland is the only way he knows how to play. It was not because the situation demanded.

[psi]

Originally Posted by HereWeGo
why didnt they? cuz they did not need to before bangladesh was 4 down. And We did not win because of Raqibs innings, We won because of our bowling. There is no reason to believe that if SN played in his place than he wont have done better....

anyways my point was simple, the way Raqib played against Ireland is the only way he knows how to play. It was not because the situation demanded.

So the innings that Raqibul played did not help us win you say. The very fact that he was able to play like that makes him such a gem. Although you think that anyone could have done it then why did not Ashraful? Why did Shakib get out even when he knew that if he got out we would be in big and i mean BIG trouble? Batting sensibly is an art-form because not everyone can do it consistently.

Do you think that Ashraful could have played that inns that Raqibul played?

I have but one thing to tell you: Please understand the role of players who stabilize the inns. Please understand that, right now Raqibul is one those very few sensible players we have, who can do that for Bangladesh.

[Cricmas]

Originally Posted by psi
So the innings that Raqibul played did not help us win you say. The very fact that he was able to play like that makes him such a gem. Although you think that anyone could have done it then why did not Ashraful? Why did Shakib get out even when he knew that if he got out we would be in big and i mean BIG trouble? Batting sensibly is an art-form because not everyone can do it consistently.

Do you think that Ashraful could have played that inns that Raqibul played?

I have but one thing to tell you: Please understand the role of players who stabilize the inns. Please understand that, right now Raqibul is one those very few sensible players we have, who can do that for Bangladesh.

i agree with you. And this is why his position is not #6. He should bat up in the order

Posted via BC Mobile Edition (Opera Mobile)

[Ajfar]

Originally Posted by HereWeGo
why didnt they? cuz they did not need to before bangladesh was 4 down. And We did not win because of Raqibs innings, We won because of our bowling. There is no reason to believe that if SN played in his place than he wont have done better....

anyways my point was simple, the way Raqib played against Ireland is the only way he knows how to play. It was not because the situation demanded.

please enligthen me on why Ashraful couldnt score 60 ball 30. With all the talents he has in his head how could he not do a 60 ball 30. Actually no 60 ball 30 is too easy for him, lets say a 30 ball 30 that is what the situation demanded right?

Posted via BC Mobile Edition (iPhone)

[KaaL-PurusH]

Originally Posted by HereWeGo
why didnt they? cuz they did not need to before bangladesh was 4 down. And We did not win because of Raqibs innings, We won because of our bowling. There is no reason to believe that if SN played in his place than he wont have done better....

anyways my point was simple, the way Raqib played against Ireland is the only way he knows how to play. It was not because the situation demanded.

I'm quite sure u can do better than anyone in the middle order. Pleas have yourself available for selection next time. I’ll be cheering hard for u.

PS: Pls don’t let us down like others.

[real123]

I watched both IND and IRE matches from the stadium. I will have to accept watching Rokibul (jr) playing is the worst nightmare. Before this I did not understand why people hate Rok(jr) so much! He is not a ODI batsman. Everybody in the stadium around me hates Rokibul when he comes to play in the middle. In both the games I have seen the same trend.

Siddons, may be a good coach for test but definitely not a ODI coach. He is grooming Junayed, Rokibul, Imrul for test players not for ODI or T20.

In summary, I agree Rokibul should not be in ODI eleven, atleast when Junayed is also there. They need to learn how to rotate or take singles instead of giving too any dot balls. Otherwise it puts pressure on other players and all of a sudden momentum is lost.

Originally Posted by HereWeGo
Repost from a different thread...

Ok, he decided to stuck it out against Ireland, NOT THAT HE KNOWS ANY OTHER WAY TO BAT. He shall forever have a slow strike rate. He didnt even try to hit out against India on the power plays.... was still relying on singles...Mushy had to take the risk and thus perished.

Guys we no longer play for loosing respectively, its time that we start to play for wins and for that Raqib is not the answer. Yes with players like Ash, Alok, Shabbir , Shuvogoto , Milon, Ziaur Rahman etc.. We have the possibility of a much worse defeat but we can still dream of a win when we chase 370. There is no way that is a possibility with Raqib in the crease...

37 against Ireland in 60 odd balls and U are telling me that Bangladesh doesnt have players that could have done the same thing!!!! Thats just incredible...

But he is definately a great fielder and apple of JSiddons Eye.... otherwise he sucks...
not a national team material...

Raqib the senior is right..

[Tupun]

Originally Posted by HereWeGo
Repost from a different thread...

Ok, he decided to stuck it out against Ireland, NOT THAT HE KNOWS ANY OTHER WAY TO BAT. He shall forever have a slow strike rate. He didnt even try to hit out against India on the power plays.... was still relying on singles...Mushy had to take the risk and thus perished.

Guys we no longer play for loosing respectively, its time that we start to play for wins and for that Raqib is not the answer. Yes with players like Ash, Alok, Shabbir , Shuvogoto , Milon, Ziaur Rahman etc.. We have the possibility of a much worse defeat but we can still dream of a win when we chase 370. There is no way that is a possibility with Raqib in the crease...

37 against Ireland in 60 odd balls and U are telling me that Bangladesh doesnt have players that could have done the same thing!!!! Thats just incredible...

But he is definately a great fielder and apple of JSiddons Eye.... otherwise he sucks...
not a national team material...

Raqib the senior is right..

If one or two of our top order batsmen had that 37 ball 60, we would have scored more that 240. They did not so Rokibul had to. Setuation demanded that. Without his 37, we lose by 10. Rokibul needs to be there for potential collapse that we see more often than we would like to with our batting. And he is an awesome fielder.

[psi]

Originally Posted by Tupun
If one or two of our top order batsmen had that 37 ball 60, we would have scored more that 240. They did not so Rokibul had too. Setuation demanded that. Without his 37, we lose by 10. Rokibul needs to be there for potential collapse that we see more often than we would like to with our batting. And he is an awesome fielder.

Right. Fielding is one aspect we all overlooked. Thanks Tupun for pointing out.

[wiseshah]

ash should never go back to #4

[psi]

Hi all, I can't find the email id of Channel-i. Could someone help me. Thanks a lot in advance.

[munnabhai]

I usually turn off the TV every time he comes on.

[psi]

Originally Posted by munnabhai
I usually turn off the TV every time he comes on.

Heehee nice one. But we need to strike at the source of evil.

[Ajfar]

Yes with players like Ash, Alok, Shabbir , Shuvogoto , Milon, Ziaur Rahman etc.. We have the possibility of a much worse defeat but we can still dream of a win when we chase 370.

Exactly how many times did Alok and Ashraful chased down 370 that makes you think we can at least dream about the posibility of chasing down a big total like that?

Posted via BC Mobile Edition (iPhone)

[HereWeGo]

Originally Posted by bangladesh_sy
Exactly how many times did Alok and Ashraful chased down 370 that makes you think we can at least dream about the posibility of chasing down a big total like that?

Posted via BC Mobile Edition (iPhone)

Exactly how many times has Yusuf Pathan done it? He did it in Domestics and so did people like Ziaur Rahman, Milon and Alok.
My only point is that with Alok and Ash at the crease I am not going to turn off the TV set thinking we lost when chasing 370 but with Rock at the crease I might as well start doing my other daily chores and turn off the TV....Its simple really....

At the end of the day, Ash singlehandedly won u matches...Rock won u nothing and he never will...

[KaaL-PurusH]

Originally Posted by HereWeGo
Exactly how many times has Yusuf Pathan done it? He did it in Domestics and so did people like Ziaur Rahman, Milon and Alok.
My only point is that with Alok and Ash at the crease I am not going to turn off the TV set thinking we lost when chasing 370 but with Rock at the crease I might as well start doing my other daily chores and turn off the TV....Its simple really....

At the end of the day, Ash singlehandedly won u matches...Rock won u nothing and he never will...

show me a team has 11 match winner.

[Zeeshan]

Originally Posted by HereWeGo
Exactly how many times has Yusuf Pathan done it? He did it in Domestics and so did people like Ziaur Rahman, Milon and Alok.
My only point is that with Alok and Ash at the crease I am not going to turn off the TV set thinking we lost when chasing 370 but with Rock at the crease I might as well start doing my other daily chores and turn off the TV....Its simple really....

At the end of the day, Ash singlehandedly won u matches...Rock won u nothing and he never will...

+10

Case closed.

[Ajfar]

Originally Posted by HereWeGo
Exactly how many times has Yusuf Pathan done it?

You are really going to compare Yusuf Pathan with Ashraful? Well in that case lets compare shall we. Check Yusuf Pathan's innings list and see how many times he did not have to bat in his ODI career. Here i'll save you some time. He did not have to bat 13 times out of the 46 matches he has played so far. Just goes to show you the kind of quality batsman he has along side him playing so even if he was a one hit wonder (which I don't know because I haven't followed his career that much) India can still afford to keep him in their line up because they have other players who can make up for his loss. We don't have this luxury.

Originally Posted by HereWeGo
He did it in Domestics and so did people like Ziaur Rahman, Milon and Alok.

Alok/Ashraful did it in Domestic cricket? Exactly when was this please? Care to whip out some stats. I would love to see when was the last time Alok/Ashraful helped to chase down 300+ score in our domestic cricket considering the fact that 300+ scores rarely happens in our domestic cricket.
Alok may have done it once for gazi tank against Mohamaddan I think but what about the rest of season? How consistent was he?

Originally Posted by HereWeGo
My only point is that with Alok and Ash at the crease I am not going to turn off the TV set thinking we lost when chasing 370 but with Rock at the crease I might as well start doing my other daily chores and turn off the TV

You are right. You won't have to turn off the TV because the chances are Ashraful/Alok will get out by the time you pick up the remote and the hit off button. For a guy who hasn't scored a 50+ score in over a year what makes you think he will somehow magically chase down 370?

FYI I never said Rakib would help the team chase down 370. I don't even like the guy that much since he pulled off that retirement crap. The only reason I bothered to reply to your post is because you said we have plenty of players who can do what he did in yesterdays game and than you used Ashraful as an example. Which found I to be odd because Ashraful scored a whopping 6 ball 1 run in that game. Lets say for arguments sake I agree with you that Ashraful is a 100 times better batsman than Rakib who can help us chase down huge total. If he was going to chase down 370 that means he has to maintain 100+ strike rate? Right? Than why could he not contribute yesterday? Why could he not come up with a 30 ball 30?

I was against Rakib's inclusion in the playing 11 considering his recent form in international cricket. Also the fact that Mushy had a ridiculous domestic season so he deserves to play at number 4 ahead of anybody else. I think number 6 is a terrible position for Rakib to play in because he can't hit out. But Ashraful/Alok is not our solution. What ever you said about Rakib's inability to push for it even in the PP I didn't disagree with you on it. Did I? Again Rakib's got plenty of issues which is true but ain't no way Alok/Ashraful is solution. Both of them haven't done anything noticeable in the recent past to show that. Take that list of yours and erase Ashraful and Alok name from their for now and I'll be the first person to agree with you. The reason I said for now is because there is still plenty of time for Ashraful and Alok to fix up their game, but at the moment they are not the best solution.

These are the things we should have figured out before coming into the world cup. Anyway what's done is done. This is all we got for the world cup. And I'll support whoever that will come out on match day wearing the BD jersey.