Who Says This Isn't the Full Strength WI Team?

[al Furqaan]

Forget the fact that Shakib was out of lineup and that one of our best seamers was injured (Nazmul), but why does a WI team that has Gayle, Narine, Bravo Jr think they're not at full strength?

Ramdin? He's got an ODI average less than the great Sir Ashraful's. Johnson who? How is a player no one has ever heard of, with a teenage average to boot a member of a "full strength" anything.

Bravo Sr is about the only legitimate pick, but even then, when was the last time he played for the WI? How many matches has he won? He's got a batting average of just 24, a bowling average above 30, and isn't express enough to trouble us like a Roach or Best.

[Sovik]

It's their full strength team. I don't think anyone would deny that

[One World]

It was full strength WIndies without any doubt.

[Habib]

It was their full strength team and we are better ODI team than them at home.

[crikss]

where you read this wasn't WI full strength team ?

[Habib]

In fact, we were without Shakib the whole series! Mash couldn't play today! Had 4 frikkin debutants on the top of that! Our head coach was just a temporary one! It's us who weren't at full strength, not WI.

[Dilscoop]

We played without Mash today. We also basically played w/o Tamim through out the whole series.

[Tiger Manc]

In the first 2 ODIs we played with 4 debutants and a player coming back after a long time out ( Naeem Islam). So basically half our team were newbies from the Asia Cup team and still we thrashed the Windies.

The claims that Windies were not full strength because they missed Ramdin and Johnson are laughable. As far as I'm aware in the case of Ramdin he wasn't selected. Only Dwayne Bravo was missing but we missed Shakib al Hasan so it evens itself out.

[Dilscoop]

Originally Posted by Tiger Manc
Only Dwayne Bravo was missing but we missed Shakib al Hasan so it evens itself out.

Bull. DJB isn't even half the player that Shakib is.

[zman]

Ans- only someone who doesn't really understand cricket

[shakibrulz]

Originally Posted by Dilscoop
Bull. DJB isn't even half the player that Shakib is.

Yep, consistency-wise anyway. He might play the odd epic knock, but that's it. As for the Bowling, no comparison, I don't want to insult Shak here.

Anyhow winning without Shak, Mash and 3 debutants, massive.

[shuziburo]

Originally Posted by Dilscoop
Bull. DJB isn't even half the player that Shakib is.

Half? Not even close.

[WindieFan]

Originally Posted by Tiger Manc
In the first 2 ODIs we played with 4 debutants and a player coming back after a long time out ( Naeem Islam). So basically half our team were newbies from the Asia Cup team and still we thrashed the Windies.

The claims that Windies were not full strength because they missed Ramdin and Johnson are laughable. As far as I'm aware in the case of Ramdin he wasn't selected. Only Dwayne Bravo was missing but we missed Shakib al Hasan so it evens itself out.

Not true, with all due respect they rested him because we wasn't playing one of the big sides and they wanted to give Thomas more experience.

[MyRoom]

Originally Posted by WindieFan
Not true, with all due respect they rested him because we wasn't playing one of the big sides and they wanted to give Thomas more experience.

Well that backfired! taught your team a lesson to NEVER underestimate us again

[WindieFan]

Originally Posted by MyRoom
Well that backfired! taught your team a lesson to NEVER underestimate us again

I'd argue we had a lot to gain by blooding some youngsters, beating Bangladesh in another series with the same old players would be nothing new and wouldn't teach us anything.

[zman]

Originally Posted by WindieFan
I'd argue we had a lot to gain by blooding some youngsters, beating Bangladesh in another series with the same old players would be nothing new and wouldn't teach us anything.

That's a ridiculous claim! I doubt even the best teams in world cricket would dare to do that against BD in BD, esp after the recent Asia cup performance and the 4-0 NZ whitewash!!! Is it really worth taking the risk of losing a series to a lower ranked team that'll be etched in history forever and surrender bragging rights?

I can understand your frustration man! You guys had the best team in the 70s and 80s, but you have to come to the realization that WI are world beaters no more (in ODIs and Tests), and will have to work really hard to get back to the top.

[kalpurush]

Got the series - what matters! ):

[Kohli_Sox]

It's definitely a full strength W.I. side; people who are denying this just want to find excuse and nothing else

[mij]

only bangladesh hater will say that

[WindieFan]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
Forget the fact that Shakib was out of lineup and that one of our best seamers was injured (Nazmul), but why does a WI team that has Gayle, Narine, Bravo Jr think they're not at full strength?

Ramdin? He's got an ODI average less than the great Sir Ashraful's. Johnson who? How is a player no one has ever heard of, with a teenage average to boot a member of a "full strength" anything.

Bravo Sr is about the only legitimate pick, but even then, when was the last time he played for the WI? How many matches has he won? He's got a batting average of just 24, a bowling average above 30, and isn't express enough to trouble us like a Roach or Best.

You can try and downplay it but the facts remain that Ramdin, Charles and Bravo ALL PLAYED in our last odi series which was against NZ and we won it 4-1, they were also part of the WORLD CUP winning team, so you can mock their stats all you like, but the truth is at international level they've won more than every Bangladesh player thats ever played the game,

Furthermore i don't know how people can claim "it's our best team" when both Powell and Permaul made their debuts in this series and haven't played an odi before now!! .

[zman]

Originally Posted by WindieFan
You can try and downplay it but the facts remain that Ramdin, Charles and Bravo ALL PLAYED in our last odi series which was against NZ and we won it 4-1, they were also part of the WORLD CUP winning team, so you can mock their stats all you like, but the truth is at international level they've won more than every Bangladesh player thats ever played the game,

Furthermore i don't know how people can claim "it's our best team" when both Powell and Permaul made their debuts in this series and haven't played an odi before now!! .

BD played without their best batsman (Shakib), best spinner (Shakib), best pace bowler (Nazmul), player with the best momentum atm (Abul who scored the record breaking century), 2nd best pace bowler (Mashrafi) in the last match-- the list goes on and on. They also debuted four players vs WI's two. If Shakib plays, I guarantee you WI doesn't win a single match in this series.

Speaking of ODI series, most recently we also beat teams like India and Srilanka to reach the finals of the Asia cup, and lost to Pakistan only by 2 runs in the finals. Go back couple years, and we also beat NZ 4-0. Fact is both teams fielded their best available eleven, and Bangladesh is a pretty solid ODI team at home (Can't say the same about tests). So there's no shame in losing to a good home side in a closely contested series.

[shuridh]

Originally Posted by zman
BD played without their best batsman (Shakib), best spinner (Shakib), best pace bowler (Nazmul), player with the best momentum atm (Abul who scored the record breaking century), 2nd best pace bowler (Mashrafi) in the last match-- the list goes on and on. They also debuted four players vs WI's two. If Shakib plays, I guarantee you WI doesn't win a single match in this series.

Speaking of ODI series, most recently we also beat teams like India and Srilanka to reach the finals of the Asia cup, and lost to Pakistan only by 2 runs in the finals. Go back couple years, and we also beat NZ 4-0. Fact is both teams fielded their best available eleven, and Bangladesh is a pretty solid ODI team at home (Can't say the same about tests). So there's no shame in losing to a good home side in a closely contested series.

We also win 3rd odi against wi in 2011 home series.

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[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by WindieFan
You can try and downplay it but the facts remain that Ramdin, Charles and Bravo ALL PLAYED in our last odi series which was against NZ and we won it 4-1, they were also part of the WORLD CUP winning team, so you can mock their stats all you like, but the truth is at international level they've won more than every Bangladesh player thats ever played the game,

Furthermore i don't know how people can claim "it's our best team" when both Powell and Permaul made their debuts in this series and haven't played an odi before now!! .

So Suhrawardy and Shahriar played in our 4-0 of NZ and they are still fairly mediocre cricketers.

Charles and Ramdin don't even average 20 with the bat, Bravo doesn't even average 25. We have scrubs like Rajin Saleh who average more than they do. Sure they could have made a difference. But there is also the chance a fellow like Ashraful could have destroyed before we even got to 2-2 had he played. And his Crapness also averages more than Charles and Ramdin.

A guy like Imrul Kayes who can't even hold a bat averages 5 more than Bravo!

[Rifat]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
So Suhrawardy and Shahriar played in our 4-0 of NZ and they are still fairly mediocre cricketers.

Charles and Ramdin don't even average 20 with the bat, Bravo doesn't even average 25. We have scrubs like Rajin Saleh who average more than they do. Sure they could have made a difference. But there is also the chance a fellow like Ashraful could have destroyed before we even got to 2-2 had he played. And his Crapness also averages more than Charles and Ramdin.

A guy like Imrul Kayes who can't even hold a bat averages 5 more than Bravo!

true that. but let's not forget, both SunnahMan and Nafees had a fantabulous series against NZ in 2010. They may be mediocre players now, but they were totally in-form then.

[shuziburo]

Originally Posted by WindieFan
You can try and downplay it but the facts remain that Ramdin, Charles and Bravo ALL PLAYED in our last odi series which was against NZ and we won it 4-1, they were also part of the WORLD CUP winning team, so you can mock their stats all you like, but the truth is at international level they've won more than every Bangladesh player thats ever played the game,

Furthermore i don't know how people can claim "it's our best team" when both Powell and Permaul made their debuts in this series and haven't played an odi before now!! .

Please don't sound like a sore loser. Both teams fielded the best available eleven. If you cannot accept that, I feel sorry. Had we lost, we would not have given the Shakib excuse. He is our best player, you know. Were you missing your best player?