facebook Twitter RSS Feed YouTube StumbleUpon

Home | Forum | Chat | Tours | Articles | Pictures | News | Tools | History | Tourism | Search

 
 


Go Back   BanglaCricket Forum > Miscellaneous > Forget Cricket

Forget Cricket Talk about anything [within Board Rules, of course :) ]

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old June 26, 2008, 04:20 PM
DJ Sahastra DJ Sahastra is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: July 20, 2004
Location: US
Posts: 2,860
Unhappy Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw passes away

One of the heroes of 1971 war, Former Army General of India and Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw passed away today.

May his soul rest in peace.

__________________
Baba Tomar Bangladeshe Koto Kola Chao
Kola Bagan Chash Koira Kosto Koira Khao Baba Re
Reply With Quote

  #2  
Old June 26, 2008, 04:22 PM
Kabir's Avatar
Kabir Kabir is offline
Cricket Guru
 
Join Date: September 3, 2006
Location: Mississauga, Ontario
Favorite Player: Sakib - the real Tiger
Posts: 11,194

Rip.
__________________
cricket is a PROCESS, not an EVENT or two. -- Sohel_NR
Fans need to stop DUI (Dreaming Under Influence)!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old June 26, 2008, 05:12 PM
Cash$$$ Cash$$$ is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: April 18, 2008
Location: Boston
Favorite Player: Tamim/Sachin/Dada/Pilot
Posts: 143

RIP you brave soldier.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old June 26, 2008, 06:30 PM
Zobair's Avatar
Zobair Zobair is offline
BanglaCricket Staff
 
Join Date: July 15, 2002
Location: 16th floor
Posts: 4,106

Rip
__________________
And thats all I have to say about that! - Forrest Gump
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old June 26, 2008, 06:58 PM
ialbd's Avatar
ialbd ialbd is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: January 7, 2005
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 5,845

Rip
__________________
KingKortobboBimur.....
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old June 26, 2008, 07:18 PM
MohammedC MohammedC is offline
BanglaCricket Staff
 
Join Date: April 15, 2007
Location: Manchester,UK
Favorite Player: bhujee kom
Posts: 22,656

Rip
__________________
I love Bangladesh cricket and that's why I found BanglaCricket.com
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old June 27, 2008, 05:02 AM
Kana-Baba's Avatar
Kana-Baba Kana-Baba is offline
ODI Cricketer
 
Join Date: January 26, 2003
Location: Virginia, USA
Favorite Player: Nannu, Ash, Mash
Posts: 944

Rip
__________________
পুরান পাগল ভাত পায় না, আবার নতুন পাগলের আমদানি... সুখ নাই ৱে পাগল!
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old June 27, 2008, 06:32 AM
thebest thebest is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: February 21, 2005
Location: in the blue planet
Posts: 3,822

RIP and we should declare a day of mourning
__________________
Twenty20 is not a gentleman's game. It's like a one-night stand and not a marriage. It is a street format and the goonda doesn't know what is a late cut or a cover drive
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old June 27, 2008, 11:37 AM
Rabz's Avatar
Rabz Rabz is offline
BanglaCricket Staff
BC - Bangladesh Representative
 
Join Date: February 28, 2005
Location: Here
Favorite Player: Father of BD Cricket
Posts: 20,540

RIP.

Your contributions will always be remembered.

Dead or alive, you will always be a part of our history.
__________________
Verily, in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest [Al-Qur'an,13:28]
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old June 28, 2008, 12:03 AM
oracle oracle is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: July 25, 2003
Location: U.A.E
Posts: 3,750

http://www.newagebd.com/front.html#7

RIP and thank you. Does Bangladesh have one? or was there ever any field marshalls in BD. I know Pakistan had.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old June 28, 2008, 01:13 AM
BANFAN's Avatar
BANFAN BANFAN is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: March 26, 2007
Favorite Player: Bangladesh Team
Posts: 18,761

RIP. We never had a FM. General was the Highest Rank. We needed more than one general/Army to have a FM. FM commands an Army group in the war.

In 71 we were not even a Army group in real sense. So, they couldn't take it above a Gen.
__________________
[Post CWC19 Consistency Record: [B]Test: W-0 L-0 D-0/B]// ODI: W-0 L-3 // T20: W-0 L-0]

Last edited by BANFAN; June 28, 2008 at 03:30 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old June 28, 2008, 01:19 AM
Sohel's Avatar
Sohel Sohel is offline
Cricket Savant
 
Join Date: April 18, 2007
Location: Dhaka
Favorite Player: Nazimuddin
Posts: 35,464

RIP.

Also, all the Indian soldiers who gave their lives alongside our own will not be forgotten, no matter what the intentions of some within the Indian Government were at the time.

Now let's have equitable trade relations, fair news reporting on Bangladesh, and NONE of the patronizing attitude towards one of India's best customers in terms of exports ...
__________________
"And do not curse those who call on other than GOD, lest they blaspheme and curse GOD, out of ignorance. We have adorned the works of every group in their eyes. Ultimately, they return to their Lord, then He informs them of everything they had done." (Qur'an 6:108)
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old June 28, 2008, 08:57 AM
Zunaid Zunaid is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: January 22, 2004
Posts: 22,100

He was a brave man.

From wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Manekshaw

Quote:
During World War II, Manekshaw saw action in the Burma campaign on Sittang River as a Captain with the 4/12 Frontier Force Regiment [1] and has the rare distinction of being honoured for his bravery on the battle front itself. During World War II, he was leading a counter-offensive against the invading Japanese Army in Burma. During the course of the offensive he was hit by a burst of LMG bullets and was severely wounded in the stomach.[[1]] Major General D.T. Cowan spotted Manekshaw holding on to life and was aware of his valour in face of stiff resistance from the Japanese. Fearing the worst, Major General Cowan quickly pinned his own Military Cross ribbon on to Manekshaw saying, "A dead person cannot be awarded a Military Cross."Compton McKenzie (1951), Eastern Epic, Chatto & Windus, London, pp440-1 }}
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old June 28, 2008, 01:57 PM
Pundit Pundit is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: August 17, 2002
Location: Virginia, USA
Posts: 3,338

Osmani was a 2 star General - essentially a Brigadier (General).
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old June 28, 2008, 02:14 PM
Nocturnal's Avatar
Nocturnal Nocturnal is offline
Cricket Guru
T20 WC 2010 Fantasy Winner
 
Join Date: June 18, 2005
Location: Canada
Favorite Player: ABD / Kalam / Musta
Posts: 9,787

Rip
__________________
Armchair selectors name their XI and conduct heated selection meetings on internet. Blood young players, some experts cry. Pick the best players, regardless of age, insist others.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old June 28, 2008, 02:28 PM
Banglatiger84 Banglatiger84 is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: March 1, 2003
Location: UAE
Posts: 2,786

RIP

Wasnt he Parsee ?
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old June 28, 2008, 02:36 PM
Zunaid Zunaid is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: January 22, 2004
Posts: 22,100

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pundit
Osmani was a 2 star General - essentially a Brigadier (General).
Osmani retired from the Pak Army in '67. During the liberation war he was made C-in-C of the Bangladesh Arned Forces and after liberation he was elevated to the rank of General of the Bangladesh Armed Forces with effect from Dec 16, 1971.

He remained the only 4-star General in the Bangladesh Army until General Mustafizur Rahman in 2000 (later demoted). Mooen U Ahmed is also a 4-star General (new rank for the post of Chief of Army Staff).
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old June 28, 2008, 02:56 PM
Sohel's Avatar
Sohel Sohel is offline
Cricket Savant
 
Join Date: April 18, 2007
Location: Dhaka
Favorite Player: Nazimuddin
Posts: 35,464

A Brigadier is a 1 star General, a Major General is a 2 star General. My late father went through those.

AFAIK General Osmani, BU (RIP) retired a Colonel from the Paki Army. That's really impressive given the traditional glass ceiling and generally systematic discrimination against Bengali Officers in that Army.

The Mutiny after March 25th was an EASY decision for our soldiers.
__________________
"And do not curse those who call on other than GOD, lest they blaspheme and curse GOD, out of ignorance. We have adorned the works of every group in their eyes. Ultimately, they return to their Lord, then He informs them of everything they had done." (Qur'an 6:108)
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old June 28, 2008, 03:04 PM
Zunaid Zunaid is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: January 22, 2004
Posts: 22,100

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sohel NR
A Brigadier is a 1 star General, a Major General is a 2 star General. My late father went through those.

AFAIK General Osmani, BU (RIP) retired a Colonel from the Paki Army. That's really impressive given the traditional glass ceiling and generally systematic discrimination against Bengali Officers in that Army.

The Mutiny after March 25th was an EASY decision for our soldiers.
Osmani retired as Lt Col. As high as any Bangali had gotten in that Army.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old June 28, 2008, 03:13 PM
Sohel's Avatar
Sohel Sohel is offline
Cricket Savant
 
Join Date: April 18, 2007
Location: Dhaka
Favorite Player: Nazimuddin
Posts: 35,464

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zunaid
Osmani retired as Lt Col. As high as any Bangali had gotten in that Army.
I stand corrected Dr. Z. I heard about my late father being demoted to Captain -- for hitting a superior officer for making anti-Bengali comments, thinking he was Punjabi -- after being quickly promoted to Major after the Kashmir War .

He was reinstated as a Major just months before March 25, 1971.
__________________
"And do not curse those who call on other than GOD, lest they blaspheme and curse GOD, out of ignorance. We have adorned the works of every group in their eyes. Ultimately, they return to their Lord, then He informs them of everything they had done." (Qur'an 6:108)
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old June 29, 2008, 02:07 AM
Pundit Pundit is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: August 17, 2002
Location: Virginia, USA
Posts: 3,338

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zunaid
Osmani retired from the Pak Army in '67. During the liberation war he was made C-in-C of the Bangladesh Arned Forces and after liberation he was elevated to the rank of General of the Bangladesh Armed Forces with effect from Dec 16, 1971.

He remained the only 4-star General in the Bangladesh Army until General Mustafizur Rahman in 2000 (later demoted). Mooen U Ahmed is also a 4-star General (new rank for the post of Chief of Army Staff).
That's right.

I hear the Soviet Army had 1 star Colonel Generals.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old June 29, 2008, 10:37 AM
thebest thebest is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: February 21, 2005
Location: in the blue planet
Posts: 3,822

Are we the worst ungrateful nation of the world? Not a single word from our government. He was not an ordinary C-in-C of Indian Army. He was the C-in-C who helped us to win the war in nine monthes not nine years. I am disgusted by the attitude shown by media and government.
__________________
Twenty20 is not a gentleman's game. It's like a one-night stand and not a marriage. It is a street format and the goonda doesn't know what is a late cut or a cover drive
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old June 29, 2008, 11:05 AM
Sohel's Avatar
Sohel Sohel is offline
Cricket Savant
 
Join Date: April 18, 2007
Location: Dhaka
Favorite Player: Nazimuddin
Posts: 35,464

Quote:
Originally Posted by thebest
Are we the worst ungrateful nation of the world? Not a single word from our government. He was not an ordinary C-in-C of Indian Army. He was the C-in-C who helped us to win the war in nine monthes not nine years. I am disgusted by the attitude shown by media and government.
Agreed.

But the "9 years" was more like 1 to 2 more years max once you take actual battle reports and the Indo-Soviet blockade into account.

The Pakistanis were demoralized and isolated in the urban areas after suffering continuous defeats in our mostly inaccessible rural areas. They got sick and tired of sitting on the highways and being shot at, or being ambushed once their platoons patrolled the interior. The rainy season just finished them off. Most of the rural interior was functionally liberated and under the de facto control of Muktibahini. Commanders Taher, Jalil, Manzur and Quader Siddiqui even established open air camps inside the liberated, vast areas they commanded. My uncle Shahidullah Khan Badal and his fellow urban guerillas Alam, Khoka, Maya and others became increasingly visible in old Dhaka as time went on.

Finally with no reinforcements coming their way, they and their Islamo-Fascist allies focused on daily war crimes and atrocities before retreating back into their urban fortifications with a hostile population outside the gates. The Pakistanis would have had to out-perform the Red Army in Stalingrad to hold the line for 2 to 3 years.

The Indians, whatever the intent of some within their government may or may not have been at the time, helped save the lives of perhaps millions of our people by risking their own, and THAT deserves eternal respect.

Maybe we have paid back that debt by letting them exploit us economically and culturally by way of our trade policies with that nation, but that takes nothing away from all those who risked everything to battle aggression while the world of political Islam supported the aggressors in the name of our Lord.

I blame our morally corrupt leadership since day 1 more than the Indian Political-Industrial elite trying to take advantage of that fundamental flaw.


Anyway, here's a vid: -

__________________
"And do not curse those who call on other than GOD, lest they blaspheme and curse GOD, out of ignorance. We have adorned the works of every group in their eyes. Ultimately, they return to their Lord, then He informs them of everything they had done." (Qur'an 6:108)

Last edited by Sohel; June 29, 2008 at 06:03 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old June 29, 2008, 11:17 AM
Zunaid Zunaid is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: January 22, 2004
Posts: 22,100

From a PTI release.

The top leaders of Bangladesh earlier paid glowing tributes to the iconic Field Marshal, recalling his "signal contribution" to the country.
"The people and the government of Bangladesh will always recall with warm gratitude his signal contribution to our War of Liberation and his association with a glorious epoch in the history of Bangladesh's evolution," Foreign Adviser Iftekhar Ahmed Chowdhury said. Army chief General Moeen U Ahmed said the "successful leadership" of Manekshaw had helped Bangladesh achieve a quick victory in 1971.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old June 29, 2008, 11:25 AM
Sohel's Avatar
Sohel Sohel is offline
Cricket Savant
 
Join Date: April 18, 2007
Location: Dhaka
Favorite Player: Nazimuddin
Posts: 35,464

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zunaid
From a PTI release.

The top leaders of Bangladesh earlier paid glowing tributes to the iconic Field Marshal, recalling his "signal contribution" to the country.
"The people and the government of Bangladesh will always recall with warm gratitude his signal contribution to our War of Liberation and his association with a glorious epoch in the history of Bangladesh's evolution," Foreign Adviser Iftekhar Ahmed Chowdhury said. Army chief General Moeen U Ahmed said the "successful leadership" of Manekshaw had helped Bangladesh achieve a quick victory in 1971.
Thanks for the dig Dr. Z. I guess we shouldn't expect more from a ruling class that murders, ignores and exploits its own heroes.
__________________
"And do not curse those who call on other than GOD, lest they blaspheme and curse GOD, out of ignorance. We have adorned the works of every group in their eyes. Ultimately, they return to their Lord, then He informs them of everything they had done." (Qur'an 6:108)

Last edited by Sohel; June 29, 2008 at 12:22 PM..
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:56 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
BanglaCricket.com
 

About Us | Contact Us | Privacy Policy | Partner Sites | Useful Links | Banners |

© BanglaCricket