How does one day ability gives credit for test ability?

[fwullah]

I borrowed the following words from all-rounder from another thread, and making it a question to everybody:

We should stop mentioning about BD vs Aus one day match when discussing test status. How does one day ability gives credit for test ability?

One generalized answer is: Test cricket and ODI cricket are 2 types of games, so the answer is that there is none.

Edited on, July 20, 2005, 5:54 PM GMT, by fwullah.
Reason: Additions

[shovon13]

it doesn't. well, not in terms of just physical performance. but some of the mental aspects are similar. for instance, the next time we play a test (against lanka), the AUS game will still be in our memory, boosting our confidence far higher than before.

but in terms of how the games are played, test cricket and one-day cricket are entirely different. (well one may argue that now-a-days test batting is becoming similar to odi batting of the '80s.)

[yaseer]

one-day ability in some way gives credit to the test ability.................i am not saying every time.......but it gives......

Zim got test status after beating ENG in 1992 WC.....Same BD after beating PAK in 1999............this two wins made sure to the ICC that BD and ZIM can beat big teams in their days so they have some ability to play cricket.......with the help of good infrastructure then these 2 countries got test status..........

BD's win against AUS makes it clear that we can play cricket..........if we go in right direction we have the ability to do it in tests as well.......this is how one day ability gives credit for test ability

[Mahmood]

If you are good in test, you are good in ODI, other than Bangladesh (who is new in test and not yet good) no other test team in ranked lower in ODI than a not test team.

Success in ODI is used to measure if a team is ready for test. When Zimbabwe were made test team, the last argument they used was, we have beaten Australia, who else you want us to beat to prove we are ready for tests? Off course after that, they got the test status.

The fact, Bangladesh beat Australia in ODI, does make a solid ground for Bangladesh to play tests. These boys knows how to beat the world champion in ODI, unless you let them play test, how will they win tests? Dont talk about first class cricket, as Bangladesh has beaten country teams in first class cricket also. All those wins in ODI and first class does matter and implies this team should be playing test cricket.

[yaseer]

Agree with Mahmood bhai, If we can beat Australia in an ODI.......with some fine tuning we can play well in test cricket too.........
Ya....there is difference is ODI n TESTS.........but after all both the version of cricket with same basics........not that one is cricekt and other is baseball........
So, if we can beat the Ausssies.........we can play well at test cricket too.........just wait for that kind of day..............it will come very soon inshallah...........

[Ahmed_B]

Had Tests and ODIs been so alien to each other (As 'gyanpapi' people like Boycott claims!)... then every top cricketing nations would have 11 'Test-only' players and 11 'ODI-only' players and players from one form of the game would never get any transmission to the other side!! Instead.... they just substitute 30% of the whole squad to change the team from one form to the other..

Thats about all... the difference is 30%!....

Edited on, July 20, 2005, 7:18 PM GMT, by Ahmed_B.

[sadhat]

Originally posted by Ahmed_B
Had Tests and ODIs been so alien to each other (As 'gyanpapi' people like Boycott claims!)... then every top cricketing nations would have 11 'Test-only' players and 11 'ODI-only' players and players from one form of the game would never get any transmission to the other side!! Instead.... they just substitute 30% of the whole squad to change the team from one form to the other..

Thats about all... the difference is 30%!....

Edited on, July 20, 2005, 7:18 PM GMT, by Ahmed_B.

I like it. Excellent! 30% difference and nice logic.

[RazabQ]

Let's take an analytical look at the similarities and disparities of the two forms of the game from the POV of the 4 disciplines, batting, bowling, fielding, strategy

Batting:
Test match batting is about handling sustained pressure and aggression. It is about being able to pick out the deliveries that should be attacked. High premium on shot selection and wicket preservation.

ODI batting is about high-strike rates - going after the ball when fielding restrictions are on or during slog overs, trying to constantly work the ball. While one shouldn't be looking to get out, the limited # of over means that some form of risks with your wicket is OK.

Having said that, both involve the ability to find gaps in the field - and expertise in the ODI form actually makes it easier in Tests because the fielders are not as spread out.

In terms of pure physical ability - if you have the hand eye coordination and footwork to get runs against top bowling in ODIs - you should, physically - be able to do that in Tests.

Next bowling ...

[Akib]

ODIs show to us that you can hit the ball or in Javeds case that you can not hit the ball.

[RazabQ]

Bowling
Many seem to think that ODI bowling should be about containment - and in certain conditions - e.g. slow, low pitches, that might work. But for consistent winning, I think the Imran Khan formula to be true - bowlers should be bowling wicket taking deliveries and outs are the best containment tool there can be. In the 1st 15 overs (or PowerPlay overs), an ODI bowler should be bowling just like he'd on a Test match (w obvious nods to legside wides and 1 bouncer rule). Proficiency in this form therefore should be translated to Test cricket. In the middle overs you should have one spinner who can take wickets w/o relying simply on agression to push run-rate from the batsmen - again this should transfer over to Test Cricket.

Test Cricket bowling is actually about being able to take more chances with your bowling, to be able to try out plan A, B C .. etc. while the 10 over per restriction mean you have to be slightly more conservative in ODIs. Test cricket bowling is also about stamina - this is one thing that ODI will NOT prepare you for.

Next fielding ...

[RazabQ]

Fielding
ODI fielding demands more athleticism. Test Match fielding requires more mental alertness. In ODI you'll have to run all over the place to save a single - throw your body about if needs be. In Tests, you will have been standing in the slips for 5 hrs on a hot day and yet have to be ready for that one chance that comes your way.

Having said that, the two are converging. Test match fielding is getting to be more athletic.

Next strategy ...

Edited on, July 20, 2005, 7:48 PM GMT, by RazabQ.

[RazabQ]

Strategy
This is where I think the greatest convergence lies. Both forms are about going after the wickets/runs, putting up huge totals or keeping opposition to small ones, and single-mindedly going after the oppostion. ODIs actually have less of a margin of error so again if you are winning in ODIs (by taking wickets) that should translate into Tests. In both form, batsment ensure you are in a good position but it's the bowling which has to win it for you.

Mentally, being able to win in ODIs should easily give you confidence for Tests and vice versa.

[oracle]

great topic- Fwullah!


It should be analysed and pored over in greater detail. And I see that Razab has made a rosy start.

It seems to be the quintessential core of cricket that has not been addresssed. If we are to be seroius about test cricket , or cricket in its purest form, than all attention and effort must be placed to get to grips with this amazing and peculiar sports that still needs to be grasped by the majority of our professional test cricketeers.

[banindfan]

As said earlier OneDay Cricket and Test Cricket are totally different. Bangladesh's ranking in ODI Cricket on current form should be notch higher than Zimbabwe and Kenya because beating Australia and India requires credit.
But when it comes to test matches they are utterly poor unit.They hardly play as a team.There is an other way of saying.Bangladesh play one day style in testmatches.They hardly bat for 120overs or more.Their test bowling is better than their Batting.Only Ashraful has scored a gr8 century in Test Matches.... There shud atleast be a century in every match by somebody if they are to be up there. with the other test nations(EXCEPTION ZIMBABWE--very poor with the current team)



Edited on, July 21, 2005, 1:58 AM GMT, by banindfan.

[banindfan]

I personally believe that the future for Bangladesh in TEST MATCHES is goin to be bright only if someone scores a century once in every 6/7 test matches...
Potential Consistent Test Match Century Scorers:
Bashar
Ashraful
Shahriar Nafees
Aftab Ahmed
Javed Omar(Can score)