Spin Attack: Bangladesh v New Zealand; have Bangladesh missed a trick?

[AsifTheManRahman]

Razzak's Test career is pretty much over.

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[WarWolf]

Originally Posted by AsifTheManRahman
Razzak's Test career is pretty much over.

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I don't think so. He will play tests again as rewards of good ODI performance.

[reyme]

Lot of us said before, when it comes to Test, Razzak is useless. Disgraceful performance from Razzak after all these years of experience... Let his team down even in batting...

[Tiger444]

Unless Razzak performs some miracles with the ball, I think this would be his last Test. He's proving once again that this just isn't his format.

[Jadukor]

Now Razzak might be dropped in the ODI series...

[Tiger444]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
Now Razzak might be dropped in the ODI series...

Doubt it. I don't think our team management can be that stupid.

[mufi_02]

Even if he is not, this performance might affect him in the ODI series. He will start bowling like tests in ODIs.

[Tiger Manc]

He's got a bowling average of 98.66 so far this series. This should be the end of his Test career. We should've gone with Enamul. If Saqlain Sajib can get another good first class season under his belt then I'd like to see a 3-way fight for the SLA spot between Sunny, Saqlain and Enamul.

[Moh899]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
Now Razzak might be dropped in the ODI series...

oh hell no

[al Furqaan]

One can only hope this Test is the last time we see Razzak and Rubel in whites. Enamul might not have a better record, but it ain't as bad. And he will at least threaten to take some wickets and keep the run rate on check. Razzak just gets smacked.

[roaring tigerz]

How many consecutive tests has Razzak played? He has played a grand total of 10 tests in his entire career. So of course he is lacking confidence as his place in the team is questioned after every spell. As Bangladesh's most prolific ODI bowler ever, Razzak is a proven performer. He will be crucial if we can give NZ a 200+ chase in teh 4th innings.

[Tiger Manc]

Originally Posted by Tiger Manc
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Enamul Haque jnr
First Class Wickets: 355
Career 5 Wicket Hauls: 27
First Class Average: 28.70
Test Wickets: 44
Test 5 Wicket Hauls: 3
Test Average: 40.61


Abdur Razzak
First Class Wickets: 251
Career 5 Wicket Hauls: 11
First Class Average: 27.78
Test Wickets: 18
Test 5 Wicket Hauls: 0
Test Average: 65.83


Sohag Gazi
First Class Wickets: 137
Career 5 Wicket Hauls: 11
First Class Average: 26.54
Test Wickets: 26
Test 5 Wicket Hauls: 1
Test Average: 37.23


Shakib al Hasan
First Class Wickets: 205
Career 5 Wicket Hauls: 14
First Class Average: 30.25
Test Wickets: 106
Test 5 Wicket Hauls: 9
Test Average: 32.79


Bruce Martin
First Class Wickets: 330
Career 5 Wicket Hauls: 18
First Class Average: 36.14
Test Wickets: 10
Test 5 Wicket Hauls: 0
Test Average: 47.10



Ish Sodhi
First Class Wickets: 27
Career 5 Wicket Hauls: 1
First Class Average: 52.14
Test Wickets: 0
Test 5 Wicket Hauls: 0
Test Average: N/A


Kane Williamson
First Class Wickets: 69
Career 5 Wicket Hauls: 1
First Class Average: 41.46
Test Wickets: 20
Test 5 Wicket Hauls: 0
Test Average: 32.95

Bruce Martin hasn't been selected in the NZ Squad since, Ish Sodhi was making his debut and Kane Williamson was subsequently banned.

A 3 man spin attack on a rank turner would've blown NZ away.

We played Razzak and let him bowl 110 overs in the series at an average of 71 and thus blew away a great chance of beating a G8 team in a Test match.

[NoName]

If we prepared a pitch with some turn in it, instead of flat ones, we could have even won the series.

[Tiger Manc]

Originally Posted by Tiger444
I doubt that. All our SLAs looks basically the same. There was so much hype on Enamul and although he was decent in Zimbabwe, he wasn't anything special and was a typical SLA who seemed to bowling more like in an ODI than a Test match.

So might as well have Razzak in who is our most experienced international bowler for all forms for now.

Rather than just throwing in SLAs, we should be looking to develop Noor to vary our bowling attack. Having a good offie along with a good leggie will make our bowling a lot more attacking.

Originally Posted by Nadim
totally agree. All our SLA'er r gd at throwing darts. no variation whatsoever


we need to fast track noor tho. look at Sodhi, havent done anything special in fc/A level, yet got called up because he IS A TALENTED LEGGIE...

Originally Posted by shuziburo
Razzak is no good in tests. If we wanted an SLA, Enam should have played. If we wanted variations, there are not that many options, but perhaps Noor could have played.

Interesting, quite a few of you were calling for a leggie and the introduction of Jubair has certainly added a new dimension to the spin attack.

[Nadim]

Originally Posted by Tiger Manc
Interesting, quite a few of you were calling for a leggie and the introduction of Jubair has certainly added a new dimension to the spin attack.

Funny thing is, Jubair gets a call up from nowhere when all of us wanted to see Noor.

[BD_TigerZ]

Razzak, enamul and Elias shouldn't been seen anywhere near the team again.

[Tiger Manc]

Originally Posted by Nadim
Funny thing is, Jubair gets a call up from nowhere when all of us wanted to see Noor.

Yeah Noor played a first class match for the A team in 2010, I'm interested to know the exact reasons why he's been overlooked in favour of Jubair.

[Tiger444]

Originally Posted by Tiger Manc
Interesting, quite a few of you were calling for a leggie and the introduction of Jubair has certainly added a new dimension to the spin attack.

I'm glad I was proved right but I agree with you and Nadim. Noor should've been tried. He's also a promising legspinner. It's important to back him along with Jubair.

[Gowza]

Noor for shorter formats, jubair for longer formats.

[M.H.Rubel]

Originally Posted by BD_TigerZ
Razzak, enamul and Elias shouldn't been seen anywhere near the team again.

Razzak is good for shorter version and Elias is good at longer version.

[Eshen]

Originally Posted by Gowza
Noor for shorter formats, jubair for longer formats.

Noor did poorly in the last DPL, this year he is yet to break into Mohammedan playing XI. Why in the world we should consider a bowler for the ODI team when he can't even find a foothold in club cricket?!

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by Nadim
Funny thing is, Jubair gets a call up from nowhere when all of us wanted to see Noor.

I didn't want want to see Noor. Wasn't sure if Jubair was good but I haven't seen anything from Noor to suggest he's the real deal. And jubair delivered as well as u could expect.

[Gowza]

Noor was a big prospect a few years ago, his hype has pretty much passed, has been pretty good in list As but his stats don't compare well with the top spinners in the country when it comes to longer format cricket.

I think it's important not to push jubair too quickly though so I hope bringing him straight into one dayers isn't going to be too much for him, noor has a good list A record so if they want a leggy really badly in shorter formats then he could be tried if jubair isn't up to it yet.

[Tiger444]

Noor hasn't been backed which is the real problem. An FC average of a 31 and List A of 26 is pretty good. You compare that with Jubair who basically proved nothing before his Test call up and you wonder why Noor was never considered. Legspinners are rare so we have to support them.

[Tiger Manc]

Originally Posted by Tiger Manc
With persistent rumours that Bangladesh will start the 1^st Test with 8 batsmen and only 2 front line spinners, why won’t Bangladesh use 3 front line spinners and if so, why take Abdur Razzak ahead of Enamul Haque?

Not only is Enamul Haque a much bigger turner of the ball than Razzak, the stats show that Enamul Haque should’ve been persisted with and not hastily dropped after the Zimbabwe series. He deserved a run in the team, especially after topping the NCL charts 2 years in a row. He’s taken more First Class and Test wickets than Razzak as well as 5 wicket hauls and has a much better average than Razzak too.

I also wanted to point out that Bangladesh’s overall spin attack is far superior than New Zealand’s and surely both Test matches should be spin friendly. With Vettori out of the series, we won’t have a better opportunity to out spin the opposition. Anything other than a spin friendly pitch would be suicidal. Even if all 3 of Martin, Sodhi and Williamson were to play, they would have a combined Test wicket total of 30. Riyad on his own has 28. Enamul Haque has more career 5 wicket hauls than all 3 put together. Ish Sodhi has a First Class average of 52! So it would be a kick in the teeth for us not to take advantage of that! I just feel Bangladesh have missed a trick by not picking Enamul and picking Razzak instead. Don’t get me wrong Razzak has done well in limited overs, but Tests aren’t his speciality. He just doesn’t pose enough trouble for the batsmen and hence his average of 65 in Tests. Even if Razzak isn’t selected, why only pick 2 specialist spinners?


Enamul Haque jnr
First Class Wickets: 355
Career 5 Wicket Hauls: 27
First Class Average: 28.70
Test Wickets: 44
Test 5 Wicket Hauls: 3
Test Average: 40.61


Abdur Razzak
First Class Wickets: 251
Career 5 Wicket Hauls: 11
First Class Average: 27.78
Test Wickets: 18
Test 5 Wicket Hauls: 0
Test Average: 65.83


Sohag Gazi
First Class Wickets: 137
Career 5 Wicket Hauls: 11
First Class Average: 26.54
Test Wickets: 26
Test 5 Wicket Hauls: 1
Test Average: 37.23


Shakib al Hasan
First Class Wickets: 205
Career 5 Wicket Hauls: 14
First Class Average: 30.25
Test Wickets: 106
Test 5 Wicket Hauls: 9
Test Average: 32.79


Bruce Martin
First Class Wickets: 330
Career 5 Wicket Hauls: 18
First Class Average: 36.14
Test Wickets: 10
Test 5 Wicket Hauls: 0
Test Average: 47.10



Ish Sodhi
First Class Wickets: 27
Career 5 Wicket Hauls: 1
First Class Average: 52.14
Test Wickets: 0
Test 5 Wicket Hauls: 0
Test Average: N/A


Kane Williamson
First Class Wickets: 69
Career 5 Wicket Hauls: 1
First Class Average: 41.46
Test Wickets: 20
Test 5 Wicket Hauls: 0
Test Average: 32.95

Since this Test match Bruce Martin never played for New Zealand again. Ish Sodhi has an average of 46.68. Kane Williamson got banned and came back his average is 9 wickets at 49.77 since.

Why didn't we produce pitches like we did against England? New Zealand were there for the taking, although Taijul and Mehedi obviously hadn't debuted back then, we still had a good enough spin attack to take 20 wickets.