So I ask the question now

[Tigers_eye]

T20 fan boys.....

This style of play (Going after all balls or all balls are 4 or 6 balls if the correct shot is played) has done BD test team any good?

If the senior player Shakib says that he doesn't remember when someone got him out in a really good ball, if Riyad, Tamim, SS, Mushfiq, Shabbir all go chase after the balls that they have no business chasing isn't that a direct inverse T20 effect?

I'd like to know your thoughts.

[Tigers_eye]

This BPL will make the next generation even worse in chasing after the balls.

BCB needs to increase the 4 day games. Pour money in to it just have to players who understand longer format of the game better than the current "Jodi laigga jai" players. That is what we are producing for the last 10 years.

[NoName]

We go after every ball in a test match, but come a t20 we start a block-a-thon

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by NoName
We go after every ball in a test match, but come a t20 we start a block-a-thon

This is a sig worthy quote.

[al Furqaan]

Wide balls are there to be hit. Its a risk, but eventually you have to take it. It requires skill to.keep.the ball down and or find the gap.

You cant keep ducking the short ball...eventually you have to find a way to score with short leg, leg slip, deep midwicket, and deep backward sq leg in place. 2 solid boundaries and they will abort the tactic. Maybe even 1.

All other teams play more t20 than us. And more ODI and first class.

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
Wide balls are there to be hit. Its a risk, but eventually you have to take it. It requires skill to.keep.the ball down and or find the gap.

You cant keep ducking the short ball...eventually you have to find a way to score with short leg, leg slip, deep midwicket, and deep backward sq leg in place. 2 solid boundaries and they will abort the tactic. Maybe even 1.

All other teams play more t20 than us. And more ODI and first class.

What's the rush? Do they have tickets for the 1 O'clock show or something?

Why do you need to take the risk when there is a 5 man net and you just walked in and the ball is harmlessly going to the 1st slip? (Shakib, SS). If you have mastered it and taken the risk (putting it along the ground or above the slip cordon) OUT OF THE EQUATION go for it then. But if you have no control in hitting them, then why go for it? The wicket means nothing to you? AND YOU PROCLAIM you play for the TEAM?

[SportingBD]

Lol. That SL team won 2-1 against South Africa... was the least inexperienced...

They won because they have better cricket intelligence and faster maturity rate...

We are really behind on this... half of their talent (Shakib, Tamim, Mushy) gets cut down because of low intelligence...

[Tigers_eye]

Also Wahid bhaia,
I don't give a rat's behind on what other teams are doing. Their 1st class structure are good enough to UNEARTH players like Latham, Pujara etc.

[SportingBD]

Maybe in the future when our players understand cricket situation better, we may become good overseas.

at the moment, I don't think none of our players have a clue how to play under pressure...

if they do.. its most likely hitting their way out... that's not talent or class... just chancing luck.

[mufi_02]

There is nothing wrong going after the bad balls. In fact, that way at least we have the scorecard ticking. The reason Pakistan failed to score big in NZ and then Aus is because of their snail paced innings. They probably played more overs but we have scored more runs. So I don't particularly mind the higher rate of scoring.

Cricket has moved on. It is not era of Gavaskar anymore. Successful test players such as Warner/Smith plays in the attacking mode as well. If we played tuk tuk in the overcast 1st test 1st innings, we would not have scored that many runs.

Shob kichu tei khut bair kora ekta obbhash hoiya gese amader.

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by mufi_02
There is nothing wrong going after the bad balls. ...

There is EVERYTHING wrong going after the bad balls from the word "go". The problem is you guys don't realize that those are not bad balls. Those are trap balls. It was intentionally put in there so that you have a swing. Ar ki bhababe bhujhabo?

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by mufi_02
...

Cricket has moved on. It is not era of Gavaskar anymore. Successful test players such as Warner/Smith plays in the attacking mode as well. If we played tuk tuk in the overcast 1st test 1st innings, we would not have scored that many runs.

Shob kichu tei khut bair kora ekta obbhash hoiya gese amader.

Moha mushkil. Test Cricket is 15 sessions long. Not 1 session. No one care if a team scores 140/5 in first session. Actually the opposition are smiling to that.

Warner/Smith have mastered those shot. They control those shots. And they leave their fair share as well. Comparing them with our bunch is a farce. They have played enough of the league as well where they have mastered those shot.

Gayle scored 2 triple hundreds in test cricket. However, he knows the difference on how to play the longer version and limited overs game. Us, we play in one mode only not understanding the format.

Era of Gavaskar is gone. Yes. A new era of "no brain" cricket has arrived only in our country.

[Mas_UK25]

Cricket has moved on, I hope the purest here move on too. 'That's just the way it is, thing's will never be the same' - as tupac sung,in a song.

So, Please. Allow it. Cricket has evolved, but we Bengalis from BDESH, our mentality hasn't changed as cricketing, sporting nation, lack of planing, vision, ideas. Despite great youth potential, man power. We lagging behind big time!

[mufi_02]

Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
There is EVERYTHING wrong going after the bad balls from the word "go". The problem is you guys don't realize that those are not bad balls. Those are trap balls. It was intentionally put in there so that you have a swing. Ar ki bhababe bhujhabo?

there is a big difference between the trap balls and bad ball. A trap ball would be suddenly bowl a full delivery after couple of bouncers. Or one slightly away from the body. A bad ball is one around the pads and half volleys. Look no further than Rubel for the second kind.

not comparing warner/smith with ours. just the way of style. bhaijaan, you are stuck in zaheer abbas era. Test matches are high scoring these days and if you can curb your enthusiasm and khochakhochi, then nothing wrong being a little more attacking.

[Roy_1]

Originally Posted by mufi_02
There is nothing wrong going after the bad balls. In fact, that way at least we have the scorecard ticking. The reason Pakistan failed to score big in NZ and then Aus is because of their snail paced innings. They probably played more overs but we have scored more runs. So I don't particularly mind the higher rate of scoring.

Cricket has moved on. It is not era of Gavaskar anymore. Successful test players such as Warner/Smith plays in the attacking mode as well. If we played tuk tuk in the overcast 1st test 1st innings, we would not have scored that many runs.

Shob kichu tei khut bair kora ekta obbhash hoiya gese amader.

Fine post, couldn't have put it better myself

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
There is EVERYTHING wrong going after the bad balls from the word "go". The problem is you guys don't realize that those are not bad balls. Those are trap balls. It was intentionally put in there so that you have a swing. Ar ki bhababe bhujhabo?

Playing according to merit means treating every ball independent of the situation. Overall batsmanship is how you weave that merit based play into a composite innings. Individually bad balls have to be put away, but overall, yes you dont have to punish every single bad ball.

Football analogy: late 4th quarter, you have a 24-20 lead with the ball on your own 30 yard line. Its now 3 and 5. You have a receiver open right at the marker for first down (safest option). You also have one WIDE OPEN 30 yards downfield. Its not a crime to go for the 30 yarder unless you get picked off. Yes Shakib "threw a pick 6" in that situation but had it come off we'd all applaud.

Shakib has buil his entire career with shoddy battin technique and plenty of edges and mishits. Still averages 40. Ugly but effective.

The real criticism should be on the shot he played in the firs test.

2nd test, if you want to criticize his slap cut behind point, you'd be criticising 75% of his caree scoring shots.

You mentioned Latham, at least 2 of his dismissals were very soft, just like Shakib. Tried cutting Taskin with bottom edge to WK and inside edged Miraz onto the stumps.

[Zeeshan]

lmao @ zaheer abbas era... Mupi to bhaloi TE'r eij ber kore dil'o

[Jadukor]

Okay i understand modern day cricket is far more attacking but how about batting for time? When we know we have sessions to survive to draw the test in the second innings. How about when opposition has purposely set an off side field and adopted a full offside length to encourage you to play shots and make a mistake? I remember Australia did this to Tendulkar in Australia under Ganguly... fed him balls outside off whole day and got him out caught behind twice. Next test he completely shelved those cut shot and only played balls on his body and legside and scored a double. Reading opposition strategy and countering them is the hallmark of a good player.

[NoName]

^
Its because our batsmen are waaaaay too trigger happy, they can't cut back the urge to go for that shot especially when bowlers tempt them by bowling the same delivery over and over. It was refreshing seeing Nazmul's approach because he didn't seem to want to go for any shots, but ofc he got tempted once in a while.

[Kingslayer]

It's a skill to punish bad balls and block good ones. Many good test players play a lot of t20 and it hasn't affected them. Our players lack that skill and getting rid of t20 leagues is gona do nothing. Like people say "nachte na janle uthan baka"

[Roey Haque]

I think ideally, all three squads should be as different as possible from each other. Then we could evaluate the guys fairly on the job they do in each format.

[Shadow]

There is no need for a batsman to chase wide deliveries right after his arrival to the crease. If a batsman get used to the nature of the pitch then it is possible for him not to put away only the bad balls but also the good ones. A very good batsman can read situations well and make adjustments to exploit gaps and find scoring options by deciding things like whether to stand inside or outside the crease while playing a particular bowler.

[MHRAM]

The best player adjusts.

Nothing to do with t20s. You need to learn how to be patient in test cricket. Chasing wide deliveries when set can happen if you don't try to master your patience.

Test is a game of chess where smart cricket is absolutely necessary

[Mas_UK25]

Originally Posted by MHRAM
The best player adjusts.

Nothing to do with t20s. You need to learn how to be patient in test cricket. Chasing wide deliveries when set can happen if you don't try to master your patience.

Test is a game of chess where smart cricket is absolutely necessary

This.

It's no brainer, is it? I mean, a ball really wide outside off at test, do yu need to play at it when your playing test match with whole day to bat, nothing to worry about RRR or anything. Some of the shots our batsmen played/play, truely shocking in terms of test cricket. Goes to wonder, if they know exactly if they're playing, test match or t20!

Batting coach gets the blame here mostly. He should rectify this in training, practice. Surely, a good talking to, videos shown of certain legends of the game will help make our batsmen understand the importance of staying out there long,showing good application, playing long innings, and understanding to take the test match session by session!

[R0ssei]

I think the problem lies within our selection process and lack of experience in longer version of the game.

Ideally, you should have a test squad of 16 or 23 players. And you pick your ODI and T20 from that bunch (add/subtract a few who seem good fit only for shorter versions). But BAN has gone the other way, selecting Test squad from their ODI panel.

If I were the chief selector, this is what I would have done:

Pick 36 players (top performers) from our national sides and domestic leagues. Divide them equally into 3 teams. Play 3-test match series among them. As Tendulkar suggested once, each 5-day game should be played in 2 different pitches with minimum 2 balls. Each team, no matter who bats first, will face a new Kookaburra on a green turf on their 1st inning. And the 2nd inning will be played on a dead spinny wicket with lot of cracks, with an older ball at the opponent's discretion. The best performers will make into a 16 or 23 player squad.

BCB should also lobby to play more and more tests at any venue possible. Without playing enough test matches (domestic or int'l), you can't expect a batsman leave a wide-of-off-stamp ball or duck a real short-ball over and over.