Vaughan, "The Bangladesh team are no better now than they were when they started as a Test Nation in 2000.... Actually I reckon they are Worse...."

[Tendulkar_Mcgrath]

Truth is bitter. According to me, Bangladesh has improved a little bit but In respect to other big teams no improvement is there. In other words , May be the game in international itself has advanced 100 steps , other big teams followed 70+ steps where as we followed 5-10 steps.Miserable. The way Vaughn said, he shouldn't have told like this. But I was expecting truth from someone too. It would have been better if our own management figured that out.

[meazz1]

People missing the point, Neth beating Eng has nothing to do with how bad we played.

[Night_wolf]

Bhaijan ra England to atleast SL re haraise?..amra ki korsi?

(hoping BD will beat Aus and someone replies me aus re haraisi)

[Rifat]

Originally Posted by meazz1
People missing the point, Neth beating Eng has nothing to do with how bad we played.

That's exactly right

[Fazal]

NZ all out 60.

Vaughn has anything to say about that? After all he is "gonno manno manush".

Waiting for him for his expert opinion.


btw... I feel the other way... that some people is missing the point. Vaugn's comment is related to bangladesh's performance, but in a broader sense, its about "performance" or lack of it in today's cricket.

[Saifulsohel]

Vaughan's new tweet, "Netherlands have been so much better than Bangladesh in this #WT20 #justsaying" https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelVa...5116420096?p=v

[Fazal]

Originally Posted by Saifulsohel
Vaughan's new tweet, "Netherlands have been so much better than Bangladesh in this #WT20 #justsaying" https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelVa...5116420096?p=v

Is it becuase of text limitation or just he intentionally missed the 2nd part?

i.e

"Netherlands have been so much better than Bangladesh, Ireland and England in this #WT20 #justsaying"


Note:

1. Speculation: Netherland didn't playered against Bangalesh in t20, so who is better is just speculation or opinion.
2. Fact: Netherland played against Ireland and England and they beat both of them. So saying that Netherland was better than Ireland and England in T20 is based on fact.

[horizon]

Originally Posted by Fazal
1. Speculation: Netherland didn't playered against Bangalesh in t20, so who is better is just speculation or opinion.
2. Fact: Netherland played against Ireland and England and they beat both of them. So saying that Netherland was better than Ireland and England in T20 is based on fact.

Good one ... a few more facts are
Eng > SL and HK > Ban

[Fazal]

Originally Posted by horizon
Good one ... a few more facts are
Eng > SL and HK > Ban

Yes HK game-e Khailo amader. Qualify korey player-ra shob khushi. The loss to HK would be bittting us more in future than some players/fans realize.

[Rana Melb]

Vaughan is an attention seeker. He is after bd test status. He should also worried about his team.i am sure if bd can regain
it's 2013 form, England would get a series loss if not a Banglwash. Check Nasir Hossain's ( not our lover boy) statements in post match discussion with sky sports.

[horizon]

So the cycle is like this -
1) Ex cricketer/Administrator/Journalist/Commentator of country X says something that fans don't like.
2) Fans shout at some of the low points of country X.
- If India, it's their overseas performance, if England that they failed to win major tourneys in 700 years, if SA they are chokers, if Pakistan then their inability to host matches ... etc etc (making the list shorter) or even the quality of English of the criticism
- And the high points are never compared , e.g WC wins for India, being WC finalists for England and beating SA in SA/T-20 world cup SF qualification every-time for Pakistan for example.
- Overlook the words of encouragement from many others from the same country X, who are probably tired by now.
3) Fans cushion the BD players, who see a little output in playing better since their performance has little impact on their popularity.
4) Bangladesh performs bad in yet another World level tournament.
5) Back to (1).

Well, in this scale, criticism should be eliminated from the World, if everyone has to include their own criticism as a disclaimer along with the criticism of others.

If I come up with a ranking of teams, Bangladesh ranks will be like this -
In ICC ODI WC : 1999 - 9th, 2003 - 13th, 2007 - 7th, 2011 - 9th
In T20 WC : 2007 - 8th, 2009 - 10th, 2010 - 10th, 2012 - 10th
In ICC U-19 WC : 1998 - 9th, 2000 - 10th, 2002 - 12th, 2004 - 9th, 2006 - 5th, 2008 - 7th, 2010 - 9th, 2012 - 7th, 2014 - 9th.
That's what people/fans/journalists see all over the world.

[hoodlum]

Originally Posted by Fazal

1. Speculation: Netherland didn't played against Bangalesh in t20, so who is better is just speculation or opinion.

Wrong.
1.

2.

[simon]

this is my personal opinion & feeling after the Holland vs Eng match today :

TAKE THAT Vaughan

[Moh899]

inventor of cricket, playing cricket for more than 150 years, and being part of the big 3 and having lots of money, and etc.... still loosing to netherlands. Vaughan, f... outta hea!

[Fazal]

Originally Posted by hoodlum
Wrong.

We are talking about current T20 world cup, not historical t20 games.

[naim519]

Originally Posted by Moh899




inventor of cricket, playing cricket for more than 150 years, and being part of the big 3 and having lots of money, and etc.... still loosing to netherlands. Vaughan, f... outta hea!

Reminds me of that hindi movie Laagan for some reason dont know why

[al-Sagar]

Vaghaun, WHO ??

[Jadukor]

Mr. ভঘান কে কোচ হিসেবে আনা দরকার

[Hasan2k8]

Originally Posted by Moh899




inventor of cricket, playing cricket for more than 150 years, and being part of the big 3 and having lots of money, and etc.... still loosing to netherlands. Vaughan, f... outta hea!

at vaughny

[adamnsu]

ekhun Vaughn Vaughn koray na keno?

The current England team is as bad, if not worse than the current BD team.

[Vahroone]

Originally Posted by horizon
So the cycle is like this -
1) Ex cricketer/Administrator/Journalist/Commentator of country X says something that fans don't like.
2) Fans shout at some of the low points of country X.
- If India, it's their overseas performance, if England that they failed to win major tourneys in 700 years, if SA they are chokers, if Pakistan then their inability to host matches ... etc etc (making the list shorter) or even the quality of English of the criticism
- And the high points are never compared , e.g WC wins for India, being WC finalists for England and beating SA in SA/T-20 world cup SF qualification every-time for Pakistan for example.
- Overlook the words of encouragement from many others from the same country X, who are probably tired by now.
3) Fans cushion the BD players, who see a little output in playing better since their performance has little impact on their popularity.
4) Bangladesh performs bad in yet another World level tournament.
5) Back to (1).

Well, in this scale, criticism should be eliminated from the World, if everyone has to include their own criticism as a disclaimer along with the criticism of others.

If I come up with a ranking of teams, Bangladesh ranks will be like this -
In ICC ODI WC : 1999 - 9th, 2003 - 13th, 2007 - 7th, 2011 - 9th
In T20 WC : 2007 - 8th, 2009 - 10th, 2010 - 10th, 2012 - 10th
In ICC U-19 WC : 1998 - 9th, 2000 - 10th, 2002 - 12th, 2004 - 9th, 2006 - 5th, 2008 - 7th, 2010 - 9th, 2012 - 7th, 2014 - 9th.
That's what people/fans/journalists see all over the world.

Neat post, this one.