Second Opener? - Page 2

Kana-Baba · #26 March 17, 2012, 07:20 PM

I think it should be Ash.

Remember what Akram said, we flip-flop players too much and eventually make them unstable. Since we do not have anyone super qualified, we should try out Ashraful. This time he should be notified in advance that he will play in this position for 3 trours consistently and his performance will be judged after the tours.

Certainly not judged by the first or second match and be dropped after that for some silly reasons such as BCB boss's NATI do not like him, some coach stops talking to him casue he can not perform in all the positions.

He was destroyed by all these men. Whoever came into power, made ashraful as thier guinea-pig. He was made to play every single position, was in and out on every other game. Ash was such a good form just before he was made captian. When he lost forms, nobody even asked him what he wants, or which position he will be comfortable to play at. Such a waste of talent.

kalpurush · #27 March 17, 2012, 07:20 PM

I am for Anamul. If not, Imrul is much better option seeing how Nazimuddin played against India and gave away his wicket against Pakistan.

Kana-Baba · #28 March 17, 2012, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kalpurush
I am for Anamul. If not, Imrul is much better option seeing how Nazimuddin played against India and gave away his wicket against Pakista.

Please do not destroy the career of a young prospect. Let him grow up. He is young and have time to serve the nation.

Kana-Baba · #29 March 17, 2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kalpurush
I am for Anamul. If not, Imrul is much better option seeing how Nazimuddin played against India and gave away his wicket against Pakista.

Both of them are actually hopeless case. They simply do not have that quality.

TIKBoss · #30 March 17, 2012, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kana-Baba
I think it should be Ash.

Remember what Akram said, we flip-flop players too much and eventually make them unstable. Since we do not have anyone super qualified, we should try out Ashraful. This time he should be notified in advance that he will play in this position for 3 trours consistently and his performance will be judged after the tours.

Certainly not judged by the first or second match and be dropped after that for some silly reasons such as BCB boss's NATI do not like him, some coach stops talking to him casue he can not perform in all the positions.

He was destroyed by all these men. Whoever came into power, made ashraful as thier guinea-pig. He was made to play every single position, was in and out on every other game. Ash was such a good form just before he was made captian. When he lost forms, nobody even asked him what he wants, or which position he will be comfortable to play at. Such a waste of talent.

A performing Ashraful will be a great thing for BD cricket but he needs to sort out his issues, he has been performing like a tailender for past few years.

Navo · #31 March 17, 2012, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kana-Baba
Both of them are actually hopeless case. They simply do not have that quality.

And Ashraful hasn't become a hopeless case (through a combination of the management and his own fault)?

Mark Gillespie, the NZ fast bowler, returned to international cricket after a 3 year hiatus, at the wrong side of 30 and took a 5-wicket haul immediately against South Africa. He was dropped due to fitness issues and bowling form and came back when he was ready. Ash still has some time on his side. Let him come back to a batting position and a format when and if he is truly ready - which may be in a couple of years time.

shuziburo · #32 March 17, 2012, 07:56 PM

I would stick with Nazimuddin for now. We often don't give the players enough time to settle down and let them show what they are made of. Not everyone is Shakib, you know!

TIKBoss · #33 March 17, 2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by shuziburo
I would stick with Nazimuddin for now. We often don't give the players enough time to settle down and let them show what they are made of. Not everyone is Shakib, you know!

true, I heard Kallis averaged less than 20 in first 10 matches.. imagine if South africa dropped him then..

Ajfar · #34 March 17, 2012, 08:53 PM

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true, I heard Kallis averaged less than 20 in first 10 matches.. imagine if South africa dropped him then..

If SA dropped him he would have made his way back into team again because he is kallis.

TIKBoss · #35 March 17, 2012, 09:06 PM

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If SA dropped him he would have made his way back into team again because he is kallis.

yea probably but it would hurt the confidence of young players being dropped without given proper chance

Jadukor · #36 March 17, 2012, 09:06 PM

Imrul got a very long run as opener.... Its only fair we give Nazimuddin a decent amount of games. Opening is a specialist position, what has Anamul done to warrant this promotion? He bats middle order and looks to be a better player in longer version considering his firstclass average. His list A average is poor (16.28) with only one fifty in 15 outings. Even in BPL he didn't open if my memory serves me right. I really don't understand how he makes a case as an ODI opener.

jeesh · #37 March 17, 2012, 09:32 PM

If Nazimuddin is to be dropped, then Imrul should come in. Again we shouldnt be giving caps to youngsters so easily. And we cant dump the experienced players.

jeesh · #38 March 17, 2012, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kana-Baba
Please do not destroy the career of a young prospect. Let him grow up. He is young and have time to serve the nation.

On the spot. No need to rush Anamul

Zeeshan · #39 March 17, 2012, 09:47 PM

nah....it'll throw team off rhythm...

Shubho · #40 March 17, 2012, 10:08 PM

Anamul shouldn't be fast-tracked into the playing XI. Way too young. Way too inexperienced. He's not even a proven performer in the domestic setup yet. He's promising, that's for sure. But so were all the Ashrafuls, Aftabs, Aloks, Tushars, Talhas, Rokons, etc, etc. We have burned through so much talent that it's mind-boggling. Have we learned nothing after all these years?

**Zunaid** · #41 March 17, 2012, 11:06 PM

Give Nazim a fair shake. The more I see of Anam, the less I think he is ready. The kid is too immature and needs to grow up a bit before given grownup responsibilities. Mind you, he is very talented but all the cutesy Asharfulesque things he tried to do only proves that he still has baby fat. Not ready yet.

22Yards · #42 March 17, 2012, 11:11 PM

I wont go as far as to say replace Nazimuddin with Anamul just yet but has anyone noticed Nazimuddins footwork ? its worse than Junaid and Imrul combined. Heck its worse than club cricketers. I hope the lad does well but I have a ominous feeling he wont last long in the the team. And as for test XI, well that asks for a even better technically solid batsman.

And as for Anamul, I will stand by my previous statement that either play him at top or dont play him at all. I am sick of seeing top order batsmen starting their careers with bowlers to bat as company. It does not help them learn and neither helps them build the mental strength needed to take responsibility.

al-Sagar · #43 March 17, 2012, 11:21 PM

there are about 4-5 threads concerning 2nd opener now ......

Jadukor · #44 March 17, 2012, 11:40 PM

I have seen nazim's footwork and don't have a problem with it. It's easy to see he is more comfortable on the backfoot. There is nothing wrong with not having an extravagent forward movement and most predominantly backfoot players don't have that. Nazim will be strong in horizontal bat shots and less so on the drive. I liked how he played the spinners off the backfoot and cut/pulled fast bowlers. He has a double century if i am not mistaken in the first class competition and played very well in the test match against pakistan. To me he has potential in all formats and with only nine odi games you can't judge a player.

22Yards · #45 March 18, 2012, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jadukor
I have seen nazim's footwork and don't have a problem with it. It's easy to see he is more comfortable on the backfoot. There is nothing wrong with not having an extravagent forward movement and most predominantly backfoot players don't have that. Nazim will be strong in horizontal bat shots and less so on the drive. I liked how he played the spinners off the backfoot and cut/pulled fast bowlers. He has a double century if i am not mistaken in the first class competition and played very well in the test match against pakistan. To me he has potential in all formats and with only nine odi games you can't judge a player.

I think many players (shehwag coming in my mind) has already proven you dont need amazing footwork to succeed in international cricket. My only glitch is that often he looks off balanced playing backfoot, especially the short length good length deliveries. To those batsmen who dont move their feet well, its a question of maneuvering balance. But yes I am all up for giving him fair chances before jumping into any conclusion.

wiseshah · #46 March 18, 2012, 12:07 AM

I agree with kalpurush bhai. He can come as a surprise. Nazimuddin is great in test match but I would love to see anam against srilanka

wiseshah · #47 March 18, 2012, 12:08 AM

Tamim, shakib, mushy had debut at his age

**Zunaid** · #48 March 18, 2012, 12:10 AM

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Tamim, shakib, mushy had debut at his age

There is a difference between physical and mental age. :-)

shakibrulz · #49 March 18, 2012, 12:53 AM

Again, I don't rate Nazimuddin that high, but I do believe he needs to get a full series - he didn't do that bad vs Pakistan, and it's just one match. So no, as much as I like to see Anamul in the side. Besides he has lots of experience in the domestics.

Though he should seriously need to improve on the footwork - I do think footwork is a bit overrated in subcontinent, but Nazimuddin's footwork is just appalling. Otherwise his technique is fine.

patriot · #50 March 18, 2012, 01:14 AM

I think Nazimuddin opening with Tamim curbs out Tamims attacking instincts . Which is good . Tamim now plays more sensibly and knows he doesn't have to shoulder the responsibilities of big hitting when there is Nazim on the other side . That wasn't the case with Imrul kayes who wasted a lot of balls and put additional pressure on Tamim

So Yes , for this series , lets give Nazim another chance and see how it goes . Anamul , I dont think is ready yet .