Bowling Animations: Draft

[Zunaid]

We've had quite a few questions about SLA vs legspin vs off-spin - of course, we could all go to wiki and read up - but I was thinking, I would create some animated gifs that explain the nuances of the different styles.

We could then look at different styles side by side.

I am putting up this animated gif (created via flash) as a first draft. Hoping y'all would have comments and suggestions and I could then create whole suite of animations.

[Zunaid]

That's a might spin btw

[Nafi]

Examples of swing (movement in the air) would be nice.

[chol_bd123]

so how is it different from legspin then? to me it seems like legspin for a left armer.

[Zunaid]

I will try to do all - but do comment on the animation itself - what else would make it clear the different nuances for bowling style.

I have been thinking of front view animation, where from the POV of the bowler or even better from the POV of the batsman but my flash skills do not go that far....

[Zunaid]

I am not trying to go into a discussion of the differences but in the way to visualize this so that when we do it is clear...

for once, here from wiki, SLA first leg spinner 2nd

[layperson]

Actually there is no difference in leg spin and SLA, because both turn away from the right hand batsmen. The second picture could very well depict an SLA bowling from around the wicket as well. There are subtle nuances in the two styles which make it different. SLA is finger spin while leg spin is wrist spin so the latter has more variation and bounce off the wicket. Finger spin is usually faster than wrist spin as well in terms of speed.

[chol_bd123]

Originally Posted by layperson
Actually there is no difference in leg spin and SLA, because both turn away from the right hand batsmen. The second picture could very well depict an SLA bowling from around the wicket as well. There are subtle nuances in the two styles which make it different. SLA is finger spin while leg spin is wrist spin so the latter has more variation and bounce off the wicket. Finger spin is usually faster than wrist spin as well in terms of speed.

That's exactly what I thought. But when i said it, people started to make fun of me.

[Zunaid]

Would it be fair to say that wrist spin is harder to pull off than finger spin - hence there are so few classy leg-spinners?

[Ehsan]

Z bhai, bowl trail like the ones from wiki would make it easier to visualize.

[Zunaid]

Originally Posted by Ehsan
Z bhai, bowl trail like the ones from wiki would make it easier to visualize.

Who do you think I am - CDO at Pixar? I'll try but that just delays time to market.

[chol_bd123]

Originally Posted by Ehsan
Z bhai, bowl trail like the ones from wiki would make it easier to visualize.

how did u get promoted to a moderator

[layperson]

Originally Posted by Zunaid
Would it be fair to say that wrist spin is harder to pull off than finger spin - hence there are so few classy leg-spinners?

Absolutely hell yeah. Any decent cricketer can bowl some sort of finger spin. However leg spin requires a lot more control. You have to use your shoulder and wrists a lot and it is very difficult to keep a tight line and length bowling leg spin which is why you often see leg spinners bowling one or two bad delivery every over barring the Great perv Warne who in my mind is the best spinner I have seen to ever play the game.

[layperson]

Originally Posted by chol_bd123
how did u get promoted to a moderator

Its not a promotion, its more work for nothing in return.


Having said that I want to throw in my name as a moderator. AMI MOD hoite chai. This is my second or third time expressing such ichcha... Keo ki amar application ta ektu dekhben please

[Ehsan]

Originally Posted by chol_bd123
how did u get promoted to a moderator

ATMR, would you do the honour of explaining it? We have a secret method of becoming a moderator. In fact, its not a secret anymore - an open secret now.

[Ehsan]

Originally Posted by Zunaid
Who do you think I am - CDO at Pixar? I'll try but that just delays time to market.

LOL. Well, you are the BOSS. Whatever works out.

[Zunaid]

Originally Posted by chol_bd123
how did u get promoted to a moderator

Ehsan != Eshen

[NKVD]

Awesome stuff, Zunaid bhai.

Welcome newbie Ehsan...and then I notice you have GT 5000 posts and have been here since 2003. You sure deserve a lot of respect. What a great guy you are to have been here since then. A community elder who has seen things we can only dream of.

Zunaid bhai - This is what I see as a diff betwwen the 2 (I tried to do it with my cork ball used for chimey padding - and I have only one of those, I promise) :

SLA: should actually be the 2nd one, where spin is a visually appreciable change in angle upon bounce. Movement in air prior to drop and after is like two joined sides of a octagon. Approach to earth prior to drop is more like a shuttle entry - definitely will occur. From a RHB point of view, is more likely to be hot forward over long on, for a six or caught.

Lespinner: Curved (or boomeranged) propagation of a ray (or ball) that skids into batsmen (of whatever hand). From a RHB point of view, is more likely to be flicked behind or through square leg.

[mona]

This is great! Especially for people like me who have been following cricket for 11 years and still don't understand the nuances of spin bowling (too busy looking at the bowlers bums instead of the ball mayhaps?) I always thought SLA was a leftie offspinner, which as the picture shows, goes from leg to off? Does that mean they are a leg spinner but just left armed? But is the technique same as offspin? *confujed*

[chol_bd123]

Originally Posted by Ehsan
ATMR, would you do the honour of explaining it? We have a secret method of becoming a moderator. In fact, its not a secret anymore - an open secret now.

Is the secret getting 5,000 posts or is it kissing a lot of admin azz. lol. i did that two weeks ago and became a mod of allsportslive.info

[Zunaid]

Originally Posted by chol_bd123
Is the secret getting 5,000 posts or is it kissing a lot of admin azz. lol. i did that two weeks ago and became a mod of allsportslive.info

Over here - this will get you banned pronto. We work things differently over here.

[chol_bd123]

Originally Posted by Zunaid
Over here - this will get you banned pronto. We work things differently over here.

what do u have to do then? give donations to the site?

[Ehsan]

Originally Posted by chol_bd123
Is the secret getting 5,000 posts or is it kissing a lot of admin azz. lol.

Oops. We are all straight people here. There will be repercussions if you even think of it as Dr. Z explained.

As to your query:

Originally Posted by Zunaid
That is how we decide who becomes a mod and who does not. In a windowless conference room on the 18th floor of the BC corporate HQ in a yet to remain unknown city and country is where we make all mods go through the dreaded SOH* test. Implanted electrodes monitor bp, heartbeat, and the release of endorphins and like hormones. Candidates are subject to a barrage of Monty Python and SNL skits, read from excerpts from authors as varied as Anthony Leacock, Kingsley Amiss, PG Wodehouse, Anthony Burgess, Joesph Heller, Kurt Vonnegut, Terry Pratchett, Chris Genoa et al. Those with the lowest LASH* index are than inducted as a BC mod.




* Sense of Humor
* Lack Absolutely of any Sense of Humor index.

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[Zobair]

Dr. Z..how about the image of a bowler...perhaps a stick figure...with the ball originating from the left arm for an sla and from the right hand for a leggie i.e. just to visually make the point that the ball essentially spins in the same direction but from different hands.

[Ehsan]

NKVD, your post makes me laugh. Yes, I have been inactive for a while. But yes, I have been around here for more than 7 years. I didn't realize it but its been a LONG time. Now, let me take the opportunity to welcome you to the forum.

My last non-topic posts. *Runs before Dr. Z gets mad*.